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French online hate speech bill aims to wipe out racist trolling
Abuse on social networks pushes MP to draw up law that could be copied across Europe
Angelique Chrisafis in Paris
Sat 29 Jun 2019 05.00 BST
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-speech-bill-aims-to-wipe-out-racist-trolling
France’s tough new law against online hatred aims to wipe out racist and homophobic trolling on social networks and could be replicated across Europe, according to the politician spearheading it as she faces daily racist abuse on Twitter.
Laetitia Avia, a business lawyer who grew up in the low-income Paris banlieue suburbs where discrimination is rife, was hailed as a symbol of French diversity when she entered parliament for Emmanuel Macron’s centrist party in 2017.
But the daily racist abuse and death threats against her on social networks pushed her to draw up a law to stop trolls feeling they have “total impunity” for saying online what would be more easily prosecuted as hate speech in the street.
“We cannot tolerate on the internet what we won’t tolerate in the street,” Avia told the Guardian. “If you’re on a bus and someone gets up and shouts ‘Dirty black!’, everyone would ask the bus driver to remove that person from the bus. This law will mean that blatantly hateful content must be taken down from a social network site within 24 hours.”
The online hatred bill will be debated by the French parliament next week and could be fast-tracked into force in the autumn.
It states that hateful comments reported by users must be removed within 24 hours by platforms such as Twitter, Facebook or YouTube. This includes any hateful attack on someone’s “dignity” on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability. If the social media platforms and tech companies do not comply, they will face huge fines of up to 4% of their global revenue. Penalties could reach tens of millions of euros. There will also be a new judiciary body to focus on online hate.
The bill is part of Macron’s drive to make France a frontrunner in the regulation of big social media platforms. He announced the planned crackdown on online hate at a dinner for Jewish groups last year, amid a rise of antisemitic acts in France, saying that hateful content online must be taken down fast and “all possible techniques” put in place to find the identities of those behind it.
Last month, after meetings with Macron, Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg agreedto hand over to judges the identification data on its French users suspected of hate speech.
The French law is in part inspired by Germany’s tough and controversial legislation on online hate speech which came into force last year, amid fears that it was too broad and unrealistic, and could lead to censorship. Avia said the French law would be more specific at targeting hateful comments on social media, and would include penalties against any excess of censorship. Critics of the French bill, including some lawyers and digital rights groups, have warned that tech companies should not be solely in charge of deciding what should be removed.
Avia said the new law would make it easier to stop online race hatred, where current prosecution rates are very low.
She said social networks were in danger of becoming “a kind of hell for those who do not correspond to a standard determined by a minority of trolls”.
She added: “Every day on social networks people insult me and contest my right to speak because of the colour of my skin. I constantly report it and every time I denounce it I get so many positive messages that I sincerely believe those spouting hatred are a minority.”
She said she had to bear in mind online threats when organising media appearances. “It’s a paradox – there will always be a few people who accept that black people from the banlieue can succeed only up to a certain point. I’m a spokesperson for [Emmanuel Macron’s political party] La République En Marche, so I do media appearances. But I know that I mustn’t do more than three days in a row, because if I’m on TV more than four days running I get a storm of hate messages and death-threats. It’s as if I’ll be tolerated up to a certain point and they don’t want to see me any more.”
Asked if France had a worse problem with racism than elsewhere, Avia said: “No, there are racists everywhere and always will be. France has a problem of awareness of racism, and I see that when people criticise this law and ask what’s the urgency in it. I want to give them my Twitter account for a day to open their eyes.”
As a teenager, Avia, who was born in France to parents from Togo, was among the first high school students from the low-income estates outside Paris to study at the French capital’s political institute Sciences Po as part of a special programme to increase intake from the diverse suburbs. At the time, with outstanding academic results, she was put forward as an ambassador for French diversity. When she was elected to parliament in 2017 as a Paris MP, there were over 30 lawmakers from black and ethnic minority backgrounds, compared to just one black MP from mainland France elected 10 years earlier in 2007.
Avia had never envisaged standing for elected office. “I had a family doctor who advised pursuing a technical profession, saying if I went into politics people would constantly talk about the colour of my skin. During all my time as a lawyer no one ever talked about my colour. When I arrived in politics, it happened and it hasn’t stopped.”

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Laetitia Avia, a member of parliament for La Republique En Marche party. Photograph: Bertrand Guay/AFP/Getty Images

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Google translates it along the lines of: [You] Dirty black house shit. You shame the ancestors of a submissive dark whore.
 
Good luck catching me fucking nigger, I'm behind seven proxies.


But the daily racist abuse and death threats against her on social networks pushed her to draw up a law to stop trolls feeling they have “total impunity” for saying online what would be more easily prosecuted as hate speech in the street.
"someone hurt my feelings so I'm making it illegal"

who grew up in the low-income Paris banlieue suburbs where discrimination is rife
“We cannot tolerate on the internet what we won’t tolerate in the street,”
One of these two is a lie.

If the social media platforms and tech companies do not comply, they will face huge fines of up to 4% of their global revenue.
AHAHAH Good luck getting them to pay you anything you stupid fuck, they're not in your jurisdiction they don't have to comply for shit. And good luck telling our ISPs to block fucking Twitter, see what happens.
 
I was going to say, this puts the social media companies in a pickle. They aren't going to pay fines. If they start censoring, Americans are going to push back. If social media is decided to be a public utility, what the fuck are the French going to do?
If it really came down to it, the French would probably just try to block the services, or complain to the EU. A block would be crazy-easy to work around, but a hefty fine assessed by a sympathetic EU commission is probably harder to shrug off. The companies could still just say "fuck you, Europe" and leave, but that takes balls and these companies go out of their way to stock castration kits for their employees.

Sadly, Americans haven't really pushed back against censorship too much yet. We're only just now starting to see signs of people waking up and making noise about it, and it's still far from a "mainstream" issue (though at the rate Google and Twitter are going ... holy shit is that ever a powder keg).

So, if a law like this passes in the EU, these companies will probably cave immediately. They've been looking for excuses to ban more "troublesome" users for years. They've probably already got code waiting, just waiting to flip a switch. Whatever changes they make will be applied worldwide (it's just cheaper/simpler that way) and will be fully-automated. The end result will be that anything that gets reported as offensive will automatically be removed. With the sheer number of users they have, it's really the only way they can do it while complying with the law. Guaranteeing a 24 hour turnaround at the CensorMatic(tm) counter while still using humans to check for frivolous complaints is impossible, so they'll just go by report count and maybe some NLP looking for "confrontational language" or something equally nebulous and stupid.

That'll sure make Twitter a fun experience, won't it? I can't imagine anybody abusing that kind of functionality.

It'll be an entertaining few weeks while that shitstorm surges, especially once the dangerhairs start getting hit hard and begin screaming about free speech. They'll have to do something in response to those complaints, but I guarantee you they won't just roll back the changes. They never give up a lever once they get it.
 
While that bill is dumb, there’s no way it will be implemented as it is.

I don’t really see how it’s going to be any different from the current climate we have going on. Comments like « there’s only 2 genders » are already getting flagged left and right for transphobia.

The report system is already being abused like crazy, and people that want to keep insulting that PM will just use VPNs to avoid possible prosecution.

Could be wrong, but I genuinely don’t think this law will change anything, except maybe making an example of one or two boomer Frenchmen that are stupid enough to post racist shit under their real names.
 
While that bill is dumb, there’s no way it will be implemented as it is.

I don’t really see how it’s going to be any different from the current climate we have going on. Comments like « there’s only 2 genders » are already getting flagged left and right for transphobia.

The report system is already being abused like crazy, and people that want to keep insulting that PM will just use VPNs to avoid possible prosecution.

Could be wrong, but I genuinely don’t think this law will change anything, except maybe making an example of one or two boomer Frenchmen that are stupid enough to post racist shit under their real names.

Ditto. I expect 4chan and 8chan will rapidly overwhelm the report system.

Stupid governements who still believe they can control the Internet.
 
Of course a woman of POC from a poor immigrant family getting picked on on the internet is going to be the face of this bill. Does any other European countries have a very important election coming up in the next two years, like the US Presidential election? My conspiracy theory right now is, France/EU will pass a bill like this, social media companies comply, and Americans politicians sit on their hands. Each will point to the others as to why this happened, and they will stumble around like the fucking Three Stooges "looking" for a way to solve the problem, while really just stalling until they hope Leftists finally get elected into office. After that, they are, in their mind, in the clear.
 
Of course a woman of POC from a poor immigrant family getting picked on on the internet is going to be the face of this bill.
This is the late stage result of basically letting unchecked immigration get out of control to the point where you have foreigners making the rules of your own country. Luckily, neither Europe or America have gone to the end result of expropriation/genocide, but the night is still young.
 
He announced the planned crackdown on online hate at a dinner for Jewish groups last year, amid a rise of antisemitic acts in France, saying that hateful content online must be taken down fast and “all possible techniques” put in place to find the identities of those behind it.
It ain't white people causing the rise of anti-Semitic speech in France. So why are these bills always framed as tackling far-right white people saying dumb shit?
 
If they had half the clout necessary to enforce this shit that would be concerning news. All of their attempts to sink their claws into the Internet have ended in hilarious failures. Like ten years ago they passed a bill that was supposed to DESTROY ILLEGAL DOWNLOADING FOREVER and in the span of ten years they caught maybe 30 guys with it.

I'm so scared.
 
First time i've heard of this and sounds absolutely hilarious. Can you tell us more?
Plus, we all know that Paris sucks hard filthy cocks. If it's not the smug shitheads that live there, are the nig nogs that live in the streets
Fuck me I'm late.



Paris is a hotbed of pickpockets and thieves, probably more or less like Barcelona and Madrid down south in Spain. Girls who run away from home, are kidnapped, or are even sold by their own families to buyers in France are usually sold to mobs and the local mafia, and the two latter's kind of business is organizing them to steal and pickpocket from the city streets and even to villages. If they don't meet quota, they're either given physical warning or they end up dead because they owe a lot of money from the bullshit dealings we all know the underworld is famous for.

Paris is also known for some high end movie type heist shit, like breaking into banks from the sewers Oceans Eleven style, stealing gold bullion from moving cars out on the highway, and even stealing €500,000 worth of wine from rich restaurants. Too bad the authorities not going to do anything about that. City of Romance, huh? Honestly, this does inspire a darker kind of more fantastical and inspiring romance, and not the love kind....
 
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