EU French government dissolves far-right Catholic party Civitas - Government spokesman accuses Civitas of advocating war against the state, inciting hatred in society against LGBTQ people, Islamophobia, and anti-Semitism

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The French government on Wednesday dissolved the far-right Catholic party Civitas, accusing it of advocating war against the state, inciting hatred in society against LGBTQ people, Islamophobia, and anti-Semitism.

Following a Cabinet meeting, government spokesman Olivier Veran announced the decision to dissolve Civitas, which had operated as an association since 1999 before becoming a political party in 2016.

Civitas views human rights as a means to undermine Christian civilization, he said, adding that the organization is harmful due to its promotion of hatred, anti-LGBTQ sentiments, Islamophobia, and anti-Semitic rhetoric.

According to Veran, Civitas promotes a hierarchy among French citizens, with these clearly anti-Semites and Islamophobes.

He accused the movement of attempting to "declare war on the state," including by using "force."

Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin also stated on the social media platform X that the values promoted by the movement have no place in France.

In recent years, the Civitas movement gained notoriety for its anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim rhetoric.

Darmanin called for the party's dissolution on Aug. 8 in response to Civitas member Pierre Hillard's anti-Jewish remarks.

The movement, which calls itself a "traditionalist Catholic lobby," aims to "re-Christianize France" and has used anti-Jewish and anti-Muslim rhetoric.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/french-government-dissolves-far-right-catholic-party-civitas/3008065 (Archive)
 
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It is a correct Democratic process.

If the majority of the citizens of a country bestow the ability to their elected party to eliminate a hate party then that is indeed Democratic. The majority rules.

Democracy has never meant the rights of a few outweighs the rights of the many. Democracy is the reverse of this where the desires of the many outweighs the desires of the few. The "right to exist" is not a democratic quality, it is a quality of a Constitution, an entirely different matter.

Incitement of hate and violence is illegal in most countries, so to see a party dissolved that thrusts these fundamentals being banned is not really surprising.
 
MadStan dijo:
It is a correct Democratic process.

If the majority of the citizens of a country bestow the ability to their elected party to eliminate a hate party then that is indeed Democratic. The majority rules.

Democracy has never meant the rights of a few outweighs the rights of the many. Democracy is the reverse of this where the desires of the many outweighs the desires of the few. The "right to exist" is not a democratic quality, it is a quality of a Constitution, an entirely different matter.

Incitement of hate and violence is illegal in most countries, so to see a party dissolved that thrusts these fundamentals being banned is not really surprising.
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Can you define hate for me, in a way you’d be happy to live with if you were both ruling party and the ruled?
Who defines ‘hate.’?
Because it’s ended up meaning ‘disagreement’ and that does rather lead to totalitarianism
 
Otterly dijo:
Can you define hate for me, in a way you’d be happy to live with if you were both ruling party and the ruled?
Who defines ‘hate.’?
Because it’s ended up meaning ‘disagreement’ and that does rather lead to totalitarianism
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My idea of hate is probably different from yours, and probably different from theirs. I'd hardly call the party point of view however, a "disagreement."

I would define it is a an intense and irrational extreme dislike of a group, person or thing that s without merit or justification.

But again lopping back to what a Democracy is versus a guiding Constitution, a Democracy is the will of the majority in simple terms which is why in the USA when a ruling party wants to change something it can - but not if it violates our Constitution. A raw example would to ban a religion - the majority might want to see this actually happen, but our constitution prevents this. A Democracy does not inherently have any values by and in, itself to the preservation of anything.
 
Civitas is a party of Catholic traditionalists. Apparently they disrupted a play in 2011.

"The culture ministry said members of the Institut Civitas group ambushed a performance of Italian dramatist Romeo Castellucci's "On the Concept of the Face, Regarding the Son of God" at the Theatre de la Ville on Thursday, brandishing placards reading "Stop Christianophobia."

"The city of Paris and the Theatre de la Ville have decided to jointly lodge a complaint against those responsible for acts of damage... and harming freedom of creation and artistic expression," the Paris mayor's office on Saturday.

Theatre administrator Michael Chase said the group distributed leaflets outside the theatre before interrupting the play, which resumed after the protesters were removed by police.

On Friday, despite reinforced security, theatre-goers waiting to see the show were pelted with eggs and oil.

The theatre, where the play runs until October 30, decided to lodged a complaint, Chase said, in a bid to "defend by every means against this unacceptable attack on freedom.""

 
chiobu dijo:
Civitas views human rights as a means to undermine Christian civilization, he said,
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dustbuster dijo:
And they're right, and based for pointing it out.
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I agree too. Somebody keeps leaving UN pamphlets at my Church claiming that we have rights granted from the UN.

It’s baffling to me. Any Christian should believe that all people have dignity as being made in the image and likeness of God but WTF does the UN have to do with it? We have a fundamental human right to unemployment insurance? Are they out of their fucking minds?
 
MadStan dijo:
My idea of hate is probably different from yours, and probably different from theirs.
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Exactly. It’s not an objective criteria. It’s totally dependent on opinion.
If someone stabs a guy in the street, that’s an objective thing. It’s a crime. It can be listed as a crime and the severity of the punishment can be dependent on various things: you’d expect stabbing to almost death leading to permanent disablement to revive a longer sentence than, say, someone lashing out with a pencil and pushing it a few men into skin. Maybe they don’t even get a guilty verdict - if the person is stabbing in self defence for example. But you can objectively quantify the damage done.
If someone insults him and makes him very upset, what do you do? Offense is TAKEN not given. If someone calls me sir I’d think they were a bit odd but whatever. If someone calls a Troon sir and they think it should be ma’am is that worthy of ‘hate’ label?
Hate now is as loaded a word as kindness is. Kindness is very important, but kindness now doesn’t mean kindness - it means ‘I’m going to or have done something you find utterly abhorrent but if you say anything I will label you as a bigot and ruin you.’
We cannot have ‘hate’ used like this. We cannot legislate that we all love each other. You will never agree with me and that’s fine. Adults and civilised societies should be able to tolerate a diversity of OPINION. It’s actions that we should regulate.
We wildly disagree with each other? So what.
We start slinging abuse at each other? Bad behaviour but again, so what?
One of us actually physically harms the other? Law involved.
Abusive people categorise words as violence because it allows them a violent response. If my words are words, you only use words in response. But if my words are violence, you can use violence against me. This is domestic violence 101, but it strikes me that I used to see those ‘is he abusing you? Ten ways to tell’ pamphlets a lot and now I never do.
Probably becasue people would read them and think ‘fucking hell, the media and government do all this, all the time.’
 
ShitLurker dijo:
So this is fine when the sandniggers or kikes do it but suddenly no go when it comes from French? Interesting indeed.
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It's the Wookie Principle. Civitas is a group for conservative Catholic traditionalists, so making them illegal means they lose all their political power, and members can be thrown in jail if they make any trouble. Criticizing Muslim youth for bad behavior or anything else means they kill some policemen and set fire to all the cars in France for days. It's why bullies prefer to pick on pacifists and not murderous psychopaths.
 
Looks like Islam will eventually claim France after all. Have fun with no pork and all those prayer calls! And the complimentary beheadings.
 
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