🐱 Five years ago, 'Rogue One' predicted a modern Star Wars problem

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By the time Rogue One: A Star Wars Story hit theaters five years ago, it was already struggling under the weight of substantial expectations. The “standalone” entry into the movie franchise had been rumored for years before Lucasfilm finally confirmed it in 2014 with the news that Godzilladirector Gareth Edwards had signed on to helm the project.

The movie was said to launch a series of movies standing outside the main series. A year later, the title and minor plot details were announced, revealing that the film would fill what some fans had considered a plot hole for decades: How didthe Rebels get the plans for the Death Star before the first movie?

Rogue One promised to be the harbinger of the new Star Wars created by Lucasfilm in the wake of the company being bought by the Walt Disney Company. A new hope, if you will; it would not just be an extension and completion of the storyline started back in the 1977 original movie, but a galaxy of new stories intended to build a new generation of fans. As it turned out, that’s exactly what it turned out to be — but in a very different manner than the way both fans and Lucasfilm executives might have hoped.

Looking back at it from the perspective of the past few years, Rogue One was almost certainly doomed from its conception. Although the movie centers around a cast of new characters, it’s anything but a truly standalone story. If viewed without foreknowledge of the 1977 Star Wars, it ends without an ending, as such, with the Rebels getting the plans but being pursued by an unnamed Darth Vader. And it becomes a pessimistic story about a Macguffin of undefined scope that results in everyone getting killed and the bad guys being mostly triumphant.

That’s hardly the thing to convince newcomers that Star Wars can be an inviting franchise filled with fun stories of derring-do and exciting adventures.

But then, newcomers were never really the point of Rogue One, were they? If that was the case, the movie could have featured the same cast on a similar, if not near-identical, mission in the “current” timeline of the previous year’s Star Wars: The Force Awakens, stealing plans for that movie’s Starkiller Base. (Or, for that matter, any other weapon from the Empire or the First Order.)

As the slavish recreation of the first Star Warsaesthetic made clear, Rogue One was intentionally rooted in fan service and an overwhelming nostalgia for the original trilogy. Worse yet, the downbeat tone of the movie speaks to the same “grim and gritty” attitude that saw multiple comic book heroes placed in “realistic,” depressing storylines in the wake of the success of Watchmenand Batman: The Dark Knight Returns in the mid-1980s.

It was a time when audiences and creators alike attempted to justify their nostalgia by trying to inject the genre with weight and complex morality it was never intended to withstand. It was, very clearly, a movie made by and for fans who’d grown up with the first three films.

Rogue One underscored the fact that Star Wars — a series of movies that had always had one foot in the past — was now being viewed as an extended exercise in maintenance, not creation. Gone was the Art Deco visual influence of the prequel trilogy (or its explicitly political commentary), but in its place was nothing new. It was simply an attempt to recreate the look of three movies from three decades earlier, which were now seemingly considered the definition of what Star Wars was and could be. (Except now, they could be sadder.) What could have been the start of something new was instead a return to minutiae of the past.

There’s another way in which Rogue One proved to be a canary in the coal mine that the Star Warsfranchise eventually became. Years before Phil Lord and Chris Miller were fired from Solo, or original director Colin Trevorrow departed Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, Rogue One was a movie that demonstrated Lucasfilm’s determination to control the moviemaking process to the point of replacing whoever was necessary to ensure the desired effect.

Director Gareth Edwards was famously sidelined as post-production on the movie went on, with uncredited screenwriter Tony Gilroy — who’d written the Bourne movies — given the job of reworking the film considerably. Gilroy wrote and directed new material (including that Darth Vader scene and the movie’s ending) to bring it more in line with what the studio expected. Gilroy famously said that prior to his involvement, the movie was “in terrible trouble,” and the studio recruited him to fix things after Edwards handed in his version.

Far from being the start of a bold new era of Star Wars that would expand the reach of the property to new audiences, Rogue One proved to be the first true indicator of the conservative way Lucasfilm has handled Star Wars since reviving the franchise. It also revealed just how the studio saw the property moving forward and who the target audience for it really was. Years before things ended poorly with Rise of Skywalker, we’d been told everything we needed to know. We just didn’t realize it at the time.
 
"Plot hole" = "I am not given the very specific details of the background and I have no imagination to simply fill in the blanks that aren't that important."

Is it really that necessary for us to know WHERE and WHO trained Bruce Wayne to become Batman? Sure, it makes a good story, but when I was a kid, I only assumed he probably, being rich, had the ways to find secret societies and groups to teach him and help him. When Batman Begins happened and people said "ah! we finally know...", I thought "well, I didn't know but I was (somehow) right."

It is a problem that people are this bad at reading comprehension and need metaphors and allegories being explained (hence, the needs for sequels and prequels). Even kids understand "once upon a time" means "so long ago that it really doesn't matter, what matters is the story".
One would think that a group of people that have invented thousands of genders, sexualities, racisms, sexisims, opressions would be able to extrapolate and imagine the daring raid listed in the opening crawl of Episode IV, but one would be wrong.
 
Rogue One is literally the only Disney Star Wars movie that's halfway worth a damn. Franchises like Star Wars are at their best when the people making the movies are trying hard to do right by the die hard fans, because ultimately it's the fans who will decide if the franchise continues to be successful. And when you try to alienate the fans by "subverting expectations" and calling the fans all kinds of horrible names because they don't like the sloppy, lazy, political lecturing you've introduced into their favorite franchise, then they stop giving you their money and you no longer have a successful license to print money. Properties like Star Wars need to be captained by creators who passionately love the property, people like Dave Feloni and John Favreau. The kind of people who will go to extreme lengths to make sure everything is canonically accurate and have an autistic attention to detail.
It only gets a pass because it wasn't insultingly bad and had like two cool fan service scenes with Vader. Otherwise it was kind of boring.
 
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I’m convinced all these types of articles result form the Infinite Monkey Theorem.
 
Star wars is trash now because it is not respectful to the source material even when its trying.

Rogue One is only "good" because people watch it and see aesthetics asnd things they recognize.

The sequels don't even do that. Solo takes that and destroys the coolness of Han Solo. Kathleen really is ruining the brand which had a ton of potential before.
 
As the slavish recreation of the first Star Warsaesthetic made clear, Rogue One was intentionally rooted in fan service and an overwhelming nostalgia for the original trilogy.
You should've realized this from the very first new movie with TFA when JJ Abrams literally blew up what scant new worldbuilding existed to start off the sequels as a hackish copy of the Original Trilogy. It's hardly something Rogue One started or is uniquely guilty of.
 
That's not a plot hole? Also in the old legends canon wasn't it Kyle Katarn who steals it?
That was the second or third version of the story. There's an earlier one where Leia does some espionage under diplomatic cover and the plans are transmitted to Tantive IV from Raltiir. Then there was the version in the X-wing game where you hijack a shipment of communications satellites and reprogram them broadcast everything to a Rebel listening post in the Cron Drift; they intercept (inter alia) the Death Star plans, and you provide cover for the Tantive group while the plans are relayed to Tantive IV. The Katarn story was the least interesting version. People just remember it because it was the first level in the game and the demo.
 
May I guess without reading the article?

Chinese dislike SJW characters and Niggers?


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That's not a plot hole? Also in the old legends canon wasn't it Kyle Katarn who steals it?
The Death Star plans theft in legends was an extremely convoluted plot. One of Legends' lesser moments if you ask me.

Lol no, the prequels are objectively bad movies.
I would debate that, but that wasn't my point anyway. The OT aesthetic and structure being codified is the problem, now.
 
I won't deny the PT has problems, but they genuinely have a story to tell, a unique visual and musical aesthetic, and plenty of cool scenes, characters, and planets/scenery.

I would take Lucas' atrocious dialogue over "all the jedi and all the sith" any day.
 
I'm not a huge Star Wars fan but I liked Rogue One.

The author sounds like one of those millennials incapable of grasping anything more complicated than Harry Potter = Good / Voldemort = Bad and I suspect their real issue with the film is the deaths at the end. No it isn't happy story but the Star Wars universe doesn't exactly feel like a happy place either.

I also like Solo if for no other reason than it had great casting and is a fun adventure.

I understand why people don't like Rise of Skywalker, it does feel like the entire film is the sort of cameo driven fan service the other films tried to avoid.
 
I won't deny the PT has problems, but they genuinely have a story to tell, a unique visual and musical aesthetic, and plenty of cool scenes, characters, and planets/scenery.

I would take Lucas' atrocious dialogue over "all the jedi and all the sith" any day.

This is just unorinically a really good piece of visual storytelling. Good music, good direction, good use of the camera. You know what each character is feeling and why, you know they're struggling. It's a fantastic scene.

Also, Rogue one. I can only really remember the last half of that film. It's like the reverse of Solo (which was absolute trash) where I only remember the first half of the film.
 
It's almost like this retard doesn't understand marketing.

If the stated goal was to bring new fans into the hobby, your new media needs to tie into what you're already selling, like how Rogue One, when used to introduce a new person to Star Wars, likely leads them to want to see A New Hope as soon as they can. You don't bring new fans into an existing IP by making a bunch of new stuff that isn't related to what is already there.

Also, newfags really need to stop whining about Star Wars being "sad" or "depressing". Nigger, "War" is literally in the title. That means that even when the good guys win it's not a good time. War isn't fun. It shouldn't be depicted as fun. Even in fantasy land.
 
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It doomed the sequel trilogy though. It set up a lot of ideas that JJ had no answers to. He also choose not to use any of the EU, he could’ve if he wanted to, but he’s lazy. It might have been some work to read Wookiepedia rather than pull something out of his ass, but it would’ve given everyone that came after him a rough idea of what to do and where to go. It didn’t have to be 1:1 with the EU, just take some cool and memorable bits. Mandalorian at least had some fun. Shame it’s ruined by the sequels.

TLDR Jon Favreau should’ve done the sequels and JJ is 110% a hack.
I... mostly agree. Even TFA sequels could have worked under a Jon Faveau because at least he would have cared enough about the characters on screen to give them decent character writing and stuff that follows from TFA. I wrote a treatment for TRoS under the rule that I had to use TLJ as canon. A willingness to follow through on the initial characterizations set up in TFA would have been sufficient for the Sequel trilogy. The movies don't even bother with love triangles, which even Twilight manages to get right. Weak worldbuilding and even bad plots can be overcome by good character writing, but instead we get "Palpatine has returned" and 'They fly now?!"

I disagree in that TFA was doomed from the beginning.
 
Rogue One is so forgettable that I can't name a single character in it other than Darth Vader. Put me in the "worse than Solo" camp, though obviously it beats the absolute worst of them, episode IX.
 
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