Disaster Fire retardant kills fish. Is it worth the risk? - A lawsuit could change how the Forest Service fights fires.

Kylie Mohr
May 10, 2023

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Image credit: Jeff Gritchen/Orange County Register via Getty Images

On a hot, dry August day in 2002, air tankers swooped over a small wildfire south of Bend, Oregon. The Forest Service hoped to suppress the flames by dropping over a thousand pounds of fire retardant on and around the fire — but the pilots missed. Instead, the neon-red liquid cascaded into the nearby Fall River, a tributary of the Deschutes. Soon after, at least 22,000 trout died — virtually all the fish living in a six-mile stretch.

Retardant contains ammonium phosphate, which is highly toxic to fish and other aquatic life. In the years following the accident, Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics (FSEEE), a Eugene, Oregon-based nonprofit that represents former and current Forest Service employees, has called for policy changes regarding the use of retardant. The group has won two lawsuits against the Forest Service restricting its use and is now suing the agency over employing it in and around streams and creeks. The suit has reignited debates over retardant’s firefighting efficacy, and the outcome could change how it is used in the future.

In a suit filed in Montana’s Federal District Court last October, FSEEE argued that fire retardant is a pollutant, so the Forest Service needs a Clean Water Act permit if it flows into waterways. The agency is now working with the Environmental Protection Agency to get the appropriate federal and state permits, but that process will take at least two years.

In the meantime, FSEEE has asked the judge to issue an injunction barring retardant within 600 feet of water, doubling the distance required by current Forest Service policies. In a legal document filed in February, the agency said that request could prevent pilots from using retardant at all. “The only way to prevent accidental discharges of retardants to waters is to prohibit its use entirely,” Jerome Perez, the national director of fire and aviation management, stated. A decision is expected before fire season starts in earnest this summer.

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Firefighters drop retardant over Aliso Canyon during the Coastal Fire in Laguna Niguel, California, on May 11, 2022.
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THE FOREST SERVICE considers retardant a critical wildfire-suppression tool. The substance is made up of roughly 85% water — which helps it disperse uniformly — and 10% ammonium phosphate, a salt found in fertilizer. It also contains small amounts of thickeners, which help it stick to trees and bushes, as well as coloring that helps pilots see where they’re dropping it. When the heat of a wildfire meets vegetation coated in retardant, the ammonium phosphate encourages organic material to release water, creating moisture that slows down combustion.

But when retardant is dropped in waterways, it suffocates fish. In 2009, scientists found roughly 50 dead fish and elevated ammonium and phosphate concentrations in a California stream following nearby retardant use. After a 2011 environmental impact statement, the Forest Service required pilots to avoid applying retardant within a 300-foot buffer zone around waterways and to skirt certain habitats and populations altogether.

Even so, between 2012 and 2019, the agency dropped 761,282 gallons into water, 95,708 gallons into buffer zones and 248,285 gallons into the habitats of endangered and threatened species. The majority of incidents were accidental, but some were sanctioned exceptions; Forest Service policies consider it acceptable to drop retardant into waterways when life or property is threatened or damage to natural resources outweighs loss of aquatic life, though such applications represent just 0.3% of the 279 million gallons used in those years.

“Everybody knows that it’s done because it looks good on CNN, and because communities who feel threatened by fire want to know where the air tankers are.”​


Despite retardant’s wide use, FSEEE Executive Director Andy Stahl questions its efficacy. “I call it faith-based firefighting, because there’s actually no empirical evidence that retardant makes any difference in wildfire outcomes,” he said. “Everybody knows that it’s done because it looks good on CNN, and because communities who feel threatened by fire want to know where the air tankers are.” FSEEE’s own analysis of Forest Service data did not find a correlation between retardant use and wildfire’s size or spread. “Why would we be permitting pollution that doesn’t accomplish anything?” Stahl said.

Retardant efficacy is difficult to measure: In the field, it’s combined with other tactics, such as dropping water and building fuel breaks. When a fire is successfully contained or extinguished, it’s hard to credit retardant as the sole reason. And it certainly has its limits; it can only be dropped during the day, when there’s enough light to fly safely, and it’s hard, if not impossible, to apply in high winds. Dense tree canopy can also keep retardant from reaching the forest floor.

Still, Chris Jurasek, an assistant chief of tactical air operations with Cal Fire, said he and other firefighters have seen retardant’s efficacy firsthand. “I know fire retardant works, because for 12 years … I watched it more times than not to be effective in either slowing, controlling or having an advantageous outcome on the incident,” he said. (The Forest Service declined to comment on how the agency measures retardant’s effectiveness, or to answer questions about how firefighting would change if it wasn’t an option.)

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After water was dropped from a firefighting helicopter, smoke and steam rise from brush during the Getty Fire in Los Angeles, California, on October 28, 2019.
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IN RESPONSE TO
FSEEE's lawsuit, U.S. representatives introduced a bill in March that would exempt fire retardant from the Clean Water Act, saying that firefighting efforts would be hampered without it. “We’re putting a lot of people, a lot of land, a lot of wildlife in peril,” said co-sponsor Rep. Doug LaMalfa, R-Calif.

“How do you write a permit for something that’s being applied at 250 miles per hour in an emergency situation, with very little if any time to assess what’s really happening on the ground?”​


If passed, the bill would be a rare exemption to the groundbreaking legislation adopted in 1972. Mark Ryan, a retired EPA attorney who specialized in the Clean Water Act, notes that permitting retardant would be tricky. “How do you write a permit for something that’s being applied at 250 miles per hour in an emergency situation, with very little if any time to assess what’s really happening on the ground?” he said. “That’s a nightmare permit to write.”

In a congressional hearing on the bill, Forest Service leadership painted retardant use as a matter of life and death. “If we lose the ability to use retardant, it would be a critical loss of an essential tool to protect communities,” said Deputy Chief Chris French. “It’d be crippling.” Paradise, California, which was eviscerated by a wildfire in 2018, has also defended the use of retardant. “When you start putting fish above people’s lives and their homes, I’m sorry, that is just not acceptable,” Mayor Greg Bolin told a local TV station.

Even if the Forest Service scales back its use, issues remain. For one, other agencies will likely continue to use it: Cal Fire currently dispatches two air tankers with retardant to every wildfire. Other firefighting tools, like foams and gels, also contain chemicals. And other wildfire-caused hazards also kill fish: Tens of thousands died in the Klamath River last year after mud and ash from landslides choked the river. For now, French said, the Forest Service will continue to use retardant — until it’s ordered not to.

Note: This story was updated to correct the percentage of retardant dropped with exceptions. That application was .3% not .4% of the 279 million gallon years used between 2012 and 2019.

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Shouldn't we let some wildfires burn anyway because it prevents even worse wildfires from taking place?
Places like California decided that it was more important to protect the wildlife by disturbing natural process of wild fires decades ago under the guise of environmentalism and stopping common sense land management. Now they're reaping the harvest, all good though they can just say its because of climate change.
 
Yes. Now fuck off you hippie faggots. Dump more red stuff because of this faggotry.
 
As long as we're not wiping out huge fish populations and/or making them extinct, who the fuck cares.
 
Fucking retard faggot journoscum doesn't tell us if it's just killing fish (what kind?) or if it's also killing eggs. If it's killing the eggs, yeah I can see that being a problem.
 
SEE THE ILLUMINATI ARE PUTTING CHemciLas in the water

And if its killing fish what the fuck is it doing to the animals drinking from it
 
Fucking retard faggot journoscum doesn't tell us if it's just killing fish (what kind?) or if it's also killing eggs. If it's killing the eggs, yeah I can see that being a problem.
It's not. It basically encourages an algael bloom in the river, which deoxygenates the water until the phosphate is consumed. The effect is temporary. Any eggs should probably be unharmed.
 
Places like California decided that it was more important to protect the wildlife by disturbing natural process of wild fires decades ago under the guise of environmentalism and stopping common sense land management. Now they're reaping the harvest, all good though they can just say its because of climate change.
Do not forget failing to make sure power companies maintain their infrastructure(or even making it difficult for them to do so)leading to fire starting equipment failures!
 
How persistent is the stuff? If it breaks down fast and doesn’t persist that’s different to spraying something that may nuke a waterway one year and be fine the next.
Also they have to let minor burns happen. The structure of the forest needs it.
 
"Our stupidity and dangerous forest management has led to forest fires that people are blaming us for! What do we do?"
>MUH CLIMATE CHANGE
"People are still blaming us! What do we do?"
>MUH SPOTTED OWL!
"People are STILL blaming us, what do we do?"
>MUH CLOMUT CHUNGE!
"They're STILL mad! What do we do?"
>FIRE CHEMICALS KILLING DA FISHES!

Goddamn, I hate these people so much. You can tell that the fires don't to much more than add the slight taste of woodsmoke to their air.

Remember, Oregon and California burn to the fucking ground because these faggots refuse to follow the basics of land management because of well funded groups like the Sierra Club who pretend to be for the environment but usually just clearcurt and stripmine any properties they are put in charge of.
 
It seems fire retarded that you'd use something so toxic to "save nature". Of course I don't buy that is actually the reason, the hollywood hills mansion owners had some say for their retarded choices.

you're 30 years late and a thousand miles too far south. this isn't about people in Malibu who want to live in a burn ecosystem. This is about people in rural CA and OR who are poor but independent and are some of the last reliable bulwarks against eating the bugs and getting in the pods. They could legit survive the coming hellscape, but they are completely politically disenfranchised and their enemies are going to burn them out. There have been decades of deliberately dangerous failure to clear brush and suppression of small fires. The entire west is a tinderbox. There is no plan. While everyone has been wigging out about a race war, this has been happening:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Creek_Fire (low property damage but this fire was 30 miles from Portland)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiday_Farm_Fire (12 miles from Eugene, Eugene would have been evacuated if the winds hadn't changed)


those are just some.
 
you're 30 years late and a thousand miles too far south. this isn't about people in Malibu who want to live in a burn ecosystem. This is about people in rural CA and OR who are poor but independent and are some of the last reliable bulwarks against eating the bugs and getting in the pods. They could legit survive the coming hellscape, but they are completely politically disenfranchised and their enemies are going to burn them out. There have been decades of deliberately dangerous failure to clear brush and suppression of small fires. The entire west is a tinderbox. There is no plan. While everyone has been wigging out about a race war, this has been happening:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Creek_Fire (low property damage but this fire was 30 miles from Portland)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiday_Farm_Fire (12 miles from Eugene, Eugene would have been evacuated if the winds hadn't changed)


those are just some.
I watched houses of people I know burn when the fire hit Medford.

That shit is totally deliberate on behalf of the state and feds.
 
Fire runoff is about as deadly to fish anyway because ash has all sorts of high concentrations of the same sort of compounds used to treat fires and the first step in synthesizing lye.
 
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