Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

[ZMOT]

His main issues are just being stubborn and insecure that he refuses to make this even remotely easier on himself just because he feels chat will say he sucks or whatever. I legitimately didn't think he was getting that carried for most of his forays (Ifrit EX was painful to watch though) into ARR content, because when he knew how to do divebombs and twisters he just did them and he did them fine. Something about HW is just fucking with him because he has somehow regressed to using CDs as emergency buttons instead of proactively.

dunno why he doesn't just read a guide then, there's zero difference of going over the tactics in text beforehand or have someone explain it ingame.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

dunno why he doesn't just read a guide then, there's zero difference of going over the tactics in text beforehand or have someone explain it ingame.

He thinks chat will get upset and that his chat likes watching him figure it out and struggle. Asmongold is very insecure about what chat, his subreddit, or other retards who hate him on sight think when it comes to this game for some reason. I have no idea why when most the community reads guides for literally anything harder then the MSQ.

 

[The Holmes]

To anyone who's actually played WoW. Does WoW's narrative quests (whatever is closest to FFXIV's MSQ) just require you to do absolutely nothing in terms of combat mechanics or something?

I ask because I got a WoW veteran who recently came over to FF14 at the very start of the exodus a couple months ago, but he hates a few specific solo duties to death and thinks they're bullshit game design because they make you do a few mechanics. He's so ass mad he's considered going back to WoW a few different times even though he hates Blizzard for all the sexual allegations.

The one he's at now is the one in ShB for the level 78 tank role quest, I'm keeping this vague for all the new people who browse this thread but you probably know the one if you have a level 80 tank. Anyway he doesn't like that the enemy does something like "okay tank take this tether or your healer dies" and when he just tries to bull rush through it he auto fails the duty because his allied NPCs die. He doesn't heal himself when he's at 20% hp and dies? Game's dumb, this is bullshit, why does this game make me do mechanics, this is supposed to be the STORY. He's even failed when he puts it on Very Easy because he just wants to unga through the mechanics. This is like DSP levels of bad at this point and its embarrassing to watch.

In my eyes this is easy as hell, you heal yourself when you're low, you do mechanics the NPCs tell you to do or you just fail. Like he knows how to do most of these mechanics, he just chooses not to because he wants to get through it as fast as possible. Even if it wasn't braindead easy, every story mode of any RPG worth a damn always has a few somewhat hard moments that may game over you once or twice, but apparently that is just bad game design because the story is supposed to be braindead.

I haven't played WoW but I've noticed a trend here. I don't hate WoW or the players, but I never kept up with the shit much before this whole baldman thing and now the Blizzard drama that's got refugees coming in left and right. Initially I was fine with the influx of new players because lol fuck Blizzard. But now I'm wishing most of these faggots would go back whence they came.

These WoW players are some of the dumbest mother fuckers I've ever seen in my life. This game isn't hard. I don't expect shit out of new players, so when I see folks with a leaf on their head my expectations are tempered. But now? They're a good fucking reason to avoid duty finder. They aren't just bad players, they're pants on head fucking retarded at this game and your story about this guy being too stupid to figure out basic shit in a msq quest is just one of many instances. You get dps that cannot follow simple directions. "Stand beside me for this mechanic" is generally an easy direction to follow for your average ff player, most of the time. But for WoW players it's like speaking Chinese and these dumb niggers will do the opposite and run around randomly until death finds them.

I've had multiple instances of similar stupidity that I listed above, but the worst ones are the retards playing tank jobs, and I run into dipshits in mid level 30s are higher who haven't done the job quest (seeing idiots that are still marauder and not warrior) and have no clue what their tank stance is. Was WoW that much of a fucking goo goo gaa gaa babysitting game that made your average WoW player into raging fucking morons that they can't even read guides or figure out basic shit? I'm at the point where I refuse to go into duty roulette unless I got non-retarded players queuing in with me.

He thinks chat will get upset and that his chat likes watching him figure it out and struggle. Asmongold is very insecure about what chat, his subreddit, or other retards who hate him on sight think when it comes to this game for some reason. I have no idea why when most the community reads guides for literally anything harder then the MSQ.

Lol, watched a video of him taking on Heavensward Savage. I'm not gonna say he's a bad player and getting carried, I've observed some folks saying that shit (Then again I haven't watched that closely, it doesn't look like he's doing badly). But that fight is nerfed and I saw his chat helping him out. I would have loved to watch him try Pepsi Man during it's prime before the nerfs and see pure rage boil over.

 

[Zilortha]

I've had multiple instances of similar stupidity that I listed above, but the worst ones are the retards playing tank jobs, and I run into dipshits in mid level 30s are higher who haven't done the job quest (seeing idiots that are still marauder and nota warrior) and have no clue what their tank stance is. Was WoW that much of a fucking goo goo gaa gaa babysitting game that made your average WoW player into raging fucking morons that they can't even read guides or figure out basic shit? I'm at the point where I refuse to go into duty roulette unless I got non-retarded players queuing in with me.

That's what's so bizarre to me. I'd argue that tanking in WoW is one of the few things that can be slightly more difficult than in XIV, simply because there are no tank stances and DPS can (and will) rip aggro with ease if you are a shitty tank. There's no positional requirements to keep track of so you can spin the boss all you want, but WoW tanks do have to manage aggro a little.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

I haven't played WoW but I've noticed a trend here. I don't hate WoW or the players, but I never kept up with the shit much before this whole baldman thing and now the Blizzard drama that's got refugees coming in left and right. Initially I was fine with the influx of new players because lol fuck Blizzard. But now I'm wishing most of these faggots would go back whence they came.

These WoW players are some of the dumbest mother fuckers I've ever seen in my life. This game isn't hard. I don't expect shit out of new players, so when I see folks with a leaf on their head my expectations are tempered. But now? They're a good fucking reason to avoid duty finder. They aren't just bad players, they're pants on head fucking retarded at this game and your story about this guy being too stupid to figure out basic shit in a msq quest is just one of many instances. You get dps that cannot follow simple directions. "Stand beside me for this mechanic" is generally an easy direction to follow for your average ff player, most of the time. But for WoW players it's like speaking Chinese and these dumb niggers will do the opposite and run around randomly until death finds them.

I've had multiple instances of similar stupidity that I listed above, but the worst ones are the retards playing tank jobs, and I run into dipshits in mid level 30s are higher who haven't done the job quest (seeing idiots that are still marauder and not warrior) and have no clue what their tank stance is. Was WoW that much of a fucking goo goo gaa gaa babysitting game that made your average WoW player into raging fucking morons that they can't even read guides or figure out basic shit? I'm at the point where I refuse to go into duty roulette unless I got non-retarded players queuing in with me.

Tbf a lot of this shit has existed long before WoW exodus, you saw the no job shit quite often when you had to level an entirely different job. Just we're at an influx of new people all at once so you see it more commonly. I recently made an alt on a different DC to follow some new players around and it wasn't THAT different from any other time I get new players. I've had tanks get lost in Haukke Manor, I've had tanks who reeeeee about not getting cure bomed constantly and think healer dps is griefing, I've seen "you pull you tank" shit just because a bard was dotting some enemies as they did wall to walls, most of this (until this MSQ story I had) isn't new to me whatsoever. So I don't believe in blaming WoW Refugees on this, because single player "I've never play an mmo in my life" FF fans did retarded shit like this all the time and still do to this day.

I've met many fine refugees who sort of get what's different and adjust fine. Since this whole thing started I've seen more retarded shit from GCBTW shitters who will tell you to leave their most sacred game if you think the MSQ sucks.

 

[The Holmes]

Tbf a lot of this shit has existed long before WoW exodus, you saw the no job shit quite often when you had to level an entirely different job. Just we're at an influx of new people all at once so you see it more commonly. I recently made an alt on a different DC to follow some new players around and it wasn't THAT different from any other time I get new players. I've had tanks get lost in Haukke Manor, I've had tanks who reeeeee about not getting cure bomed constantly and think healer dps is griefing, I've seen "you pull you tank" shit just because a bard was dotting some enemies as they did wall to walls, most of this (until this MSQ story I had) isn't new to me whatsoever. So I don't believe in blaming WoW Refugees on this, because single player "I've never play an mmo in my life" FF fans did retarded shit like this all the time and still do to this day.

I've met many fine refugees who sort of get what's different and adjust fine. Since this whole thing started I've seen more retarded shit from GCBTW shitters who will tell you to leave their most sacred game if you think the MSQ sucks.

Oh no doubt that type of shit happened, there was always new players (and mentors lol) 10x dumber than average new ones who never did job quests or figured out not to stand in the glowing circle of doom. But ever since this shit show with WoW it's quite more prevalent, or at the very least it is on Primal DC. In the past, more often than not when I told them to use tank stance, most of the time, the person would put on tank stance. This new batch of players ignored me and just kept mashing buttons or running around helmet kid style.

That being said, I know not all of them are terrible. I've been in and out of Eureka again for the hell of it lately and I've partied up with some new WoW refugees who were pretty cool. Yesterday I had a trial roulette (Shiva) and it was full of them, and I expected retardation - but it actually went well and they were going on about how much fun they were having. Maybe I'm overreacting and I just had a fuck ton of bad luck in getting the dumber dipshits, but even other folks in my FC and LS were making similar complaints.

 

[Dave.]

I haven't played WoW but I've noticed a trend here. I don't hate WoW or the players, but I never kept up with the shit much before this whole baldman thing and now the Blizzard drama that's got refugees coming in left and right. Initially I was fine with the influx of new players because lol fuck Blizzard. But now I'm wishing most of these faggots would go back whence they came.

These WoW players are some of the dumbest mother fuckers I've ever seen in my life. This game isn't hard. I don't expect shit out of new players, so when I see folks with a leaf on their head my expectations are tempered. But now? They're a good fucking reason to avoid duty finder. They aren't just bad players, they're pants on head fucking retarded at this game and your story about this guy being too stupid to figure out basic shit in a msq quest is just one of many instances. You get dps that cannot follow simple directions. "Stand beside me for this mechanic" is generally an easy direction to follow for your average ff player, most of the time. But for WoW players it's like speaking Chinese and these dumb niggers will do the opposite and run around randomly until death finds them.

I've had multiple instances of similar stupidity that I listed above, but the worst ones are the retards playing tank jobs, and I run into dipshits in mid level 30s are higher who haven't done the job quest (seeing idiots that are still marauder and not warrior) and have no clue what their tank stance is. Was WoW that much of a fucking goo goo gaa gaa babysitting game that made your average WoW player into raging fucking morons that they can't even read guides or figure out basic shit? I'm at the point where I refuse to go into duty roulette unless I got non-retarded players queuing in with me.

I know this has been reiterated at some point in this thread, but a lot of it can be blamed on the fact that WoW raiders and mythic+ players are generally spoonfed mechanics through DBM which turns a lot of bosses into no brainer just follow what's on screen fights. I used to do a lot of mythic+ during my hay day of playing both FFXIV and WoW and I found it to be generally boring because mythic+ was too easy with DBM because it turned fights into brainless meatgrinders. Meanwhile with XIV you actually have to analyze what mechanics do and how to tackle them in a similar fashion to solving a puzzle.

 

[Kane Lives]

I know this has been reiterated at some point in this thread, but a lot of it can be blamed on the fact that WoW raiders and mythic+ players are generally spoonfed mechanics through DBM which turns a lot of bosses into no brainer just follow what's on screen fights. I used to do a lot of mythic+ during my hay day of playing both FFXIV and WoW and I found it to be generally boring because mythic+ was too easy with DBM because it turned fights into brainless meatgrinders. Meanwhile with XIV you actually have to analyze what mechanics do and how to tackle them in a similar fashion to solving a puzzle.

Lol, I bet the moment a DBM-like comes out for XIV they'd flock to it. Though SEnix didn't take too kindly to any such addons. The whole reason markers were locked out of combat was because retards were pre-saving them to trivialise mechanics.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

So from my understanding, does DBM for WoW just hand hold you through encounter mechanics or some shit?

 

[Quioui]

So from my understanding, does DBM for WoW just hand hold you through encounter mechanics or some shit?

Yes exactly. You have two widely known addons that helps you with raid mechanic: BigWigs and Deadly Boss Mods.
Purists tend to prefer BigWigs: Pretty customizable, it will play a sound and display a message on screen akin to "The boss is doing X now!" and expect you to know how to respond.
Then you have DBM which will also play a sound and directly tell you "Do Y now!", you barely have to be aware of what is happening in the encounter, any harder of a hand holding would be botting.

Spoiler: Example

Suppose you're one of the two tank of a 25-man raid, your tank pal is tanking some mob applying a stacking 20% armor reduction at fixed interval. BigWigs will display an alert like "[Tank pal name] has 4x [Name of armor debuff] stacks!" and assume you know what do to with that information. DBM will tell you "Taunt now!" (why should I taunt? The addon said so)

 

[Smug Chuckler]

It doesn't help that the wow devs create such encounters with dbm/br in mind.

Purists tend to prefer BigWigs: Pretty customizable, it will play a sound and display a message on screen akin to "The boss is doing X now!" and expect you to know how to respond.

Also Big Wigs doesn't force you to update especially when there is a new patch in the ptr. >:/

 

[CptnSnshn]

These WoW players are some of the dumbest mother fuckers I've ever seen in my life. This game isn't hard. I don't expect shit out of new players, so when I see folks with a leaf on their head my expectations are tempered. But now? They're a good fucking reason to avoid duty finder. They aren't just bad players, they're pants on head fucking retarded at this game and your story about this guy being too stupid to figure out basic shit in a msq quest is just one of many instances.

I had a group of 3 DPS's and 1 healer who didn't know how cleave worked in Eden Furor (The one with Flame Wingman) these dumbasses kept walking in front of the boss dying and then complaining that we didn't explain mechanics to them.

Like holy shit bosses have had cleave since ARR Even if you boosted you've had to fight bosses with cleave how are you this far in Eden without knowing about it.

 

[Zilortha]

Lol, I bet the moment a DBM-like comes out for XIV they'd flock to it. Though SEnix didn't take too kindly to any such addons. The whole reason markers were locked out of combat was because retards were pre-saving them to trivialise mechanics.

XIV has had it for a while. If you use ACT, you can get plugins like Cactbot or Triggernometry which automate callouts for raids and let you create custom triggers respectively.

 

[The Holmes]

I had a group of 3 DPS's and 1 healer who didn't know how cleave worked in Eden Furor (The one with Flame Wingman) these dumbasses kept walking in front of the boss dying and then complaining that we didn't explain mechanics to them.

Like holy shit bosses have had cleave since ARR Even if you boosted you've had to fight bosses with cleave how are you this far in Eden without knowing about it.

This is something I've always dealt with before the WoW drama but not at level 80 shit and I haven't had that problem yet, lol. Level 50-70 shit I'll still get dps that think it's kewl to stand beside the tank and dps and I let them learn the hard way. Most of the time they figure it out. But at level 80, you might be a little retarded if you haven't figured out by then that maybe you shouldn't hang out in front of a boss, especially during a damn raid.

I deal with this when I run the Bozja shit, especially DR, and this isn't specific to WoW refugees, I think it's just a general dumbass thing. I've been playing enough to know that when a red circle of impending pain is around a tank, that maybe I shouldn't stand near them. Or anyone for that matter when an ominous glow is around a player. Some people still aren't registering that ominous glowing shit = death and pain.

 

[Gravemind]

I legitimately don't think Asmongold is a bad player, I think he can clear everything in the game if he tries hard enough because he has a fairly good mindset when he isn't being a stubborn ox and trying to progress in the stupidest way possible. He has a better mindset than most this community and that can take you far when applied well.

His main issues are just being stubborn and insecure that he refuses to make this even remotely easier on himself just because he feels chat will say he sucks or whatever. I legitimately didn't think he was getting that carried for most of his forays (Ifrit EX was painful to watch though) into ARR content, because when he knew how to do divebombs and twisters he just did them and he did them fine. Something about HW is just fucking with him because he has somehow regressed to using CDs as emergency buttons instead of proactively.

Pretty much exactly what I've been alluding to every time I've said anything in defense of Asmongold ITT. He's a decent learner and he has the potential to be just as good as any raidtranny, he just lets insecurity and stubbornness filter input because he thinks it'll come at the cost of stream viewability. Which it might, the stream monsters might start tuning out when he stops getting baited by them and starts being successful on his own merits while showing a modicum of humility, but anyone who's also not a XIV tranny with a chip on xis/xer shoulders when it comes to those "fucking toxic WoWfugees" would probably be more than delighted to watch the guy start flourishing in XIV.

My concern with Bozja is more so people are going to try and fuck with him on stream and try to take the duels (unless they somehow fixed that issue) from him and purposefully wipe to fuck with him being able to progress the fights at all.

I'm willing to bet people are gonna dare him to take duels just to watch him fail them – if he even plans on doing Bozja at all. And then we'll have more back and forth shitflinging about streamers getting duel privileges, and whatever other stupid shit people tend to /shout at each other in Bozja when it's not just callouts and LFGs.

 

[Drunken Fox]

That's what's so bizarre to me. I'd argue that tanking in WoW is one of the few things that can be slightly more difficult than in XIV, simply because there are no tank stances and DPS can (and will) rip aggro with ease if you are a shitty tank. There's no positional requirements to keep track of so you can spin the boss all you want, but WoW tanks do have to manage aggro a little.

This is actually completely wrong. Aside from DPS with massive burst blowing everything at the start of the pull (and usually also having some luck with procs to make the burst extra strong) there is no ability for a DPS to pull threat off of a reasonably geared tank who is half decent. Really threat fights usually come between tanks when one tank just does so much damage that they can pull threat off the other after a taunt. This is usually due to gear discrepancies although Paladins right now with Ashen Hallow deal so much damage it is actually quite hard to out threat their burst when they pop it.

Having tanked in both WoW and FF14 (although I really haven't started tanking Savage and Extreme content yet so I might be wrong about that), I would say the experiences are relatively comparable in terms of difficulty with only higher level M+ in WoW being more challenging.

Yes exactly. You have two widely known addons that helps you with raid mechanic: BigWigs and Deadly Boss Mods.
Purists tend to prefer BigWigs: Pretty customizable, it will play a sound and display a message on screen akin to "The boss is doing X now!" and expect you to know how to respond.
Then you have DBM which will also play a sound and directly tell you "Do Y now!", you barely have to be aware of what is happening in the encounter, any harder of a hand holding would be botting.

Spoiler: Example

Suppose you're one of the two tank of a 25-man raid, your tank pal is tanking some mob applying a stacking 20% armor reduction at fixed interval. BigWigs will display an alert like "[Tank pal name] has 4x [Name of armor debuff] stacks!" and assume you know what do to with that information. DBM will tell you "Taunt now!" (why should I taunt? The addon said so)

DBM can also be configured a lot to make it treat you like less of a child, but in my experience DBM does not help bad WoW players. They can literally have a pop up tell them exactly what to do and still fail it every time. Furthermore, DBM has issues and bugs where it'll just tell you incorrect information and so you still need to pay attention. Part of WoW's problem is that they have no distinct visual language for abilities. I need to spread? How far do I need to spread? No idea unless something tells you. This latest expansion has gotten extra bad with not even using clear color notations that you would expect and having so many ground effects that you cannot even tell if something is beneficial or painful. Blue ring on the ground? Is that a hunter ability or an enemy's one that will kill you? The whole floor turns red? That's just a Paladin's cooldown. Many players I know have started using GTFO, an addon that plays a large noise whenever you stand in something bad, and I don't even blame them because it is hard to know what is bad or not and this isn't even taking into account the giant visual mess that can occur when you have multiple friendly and enemy ground effects overlapping.

WoW in general has issues where basically the game needs addons to be played properly. Now I haven't played every single job in FF14 yet so I'm not sure how this holds true overall, but so far I have not looked at any jobs and thought to myself, I need to know information that the game is not displaying to me. It might be a little hard to configure the UI to look exactly how I want to show what I need, but it is doable. WoW, on the other hand, does not have a configurable UI, without addons, and furthermore, many specs are difficult to play to their fullest extent without having hidden knowledge that wouldn't be displayed on the UI even if it was configurable. In many ways I feel like because WoW has addons they have just gone and embraced lazy design because the addon can overcome the design faults rather than just actually make the game playable to non-addon users.

 

[Zilortha]

This is actually completely wrong. Aside from DPS with massive burst blowing everything at the start of the pull (and usually also having some luck with procs to make the burst extra strong) there is no ability for a DPS to pull threat off of a reasonably geared tank who is half decent.

Then how exactly am I wrong? I literally said "DPS can (and will) rip aggro with ease if you are a shitty tank."

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

. Now I haven't played every single job in FF14 yet so I'm not sure how this holds true overall, but so far I have not looked at any jobs and thought to myself, I need to know information that the game is not displaying to me. It might be a little hard to configure the UI to look exactly how I want to show what I need, but it is doable.

Afaik there are some addons for FFXIV that "assist" you with basic rotations but otherwise they are useless for gameplay

One of the major ones ive seen is one that tells you how many GCDs you've done during Blood Weapon

Or how many holy spirits for pally

I think the most useful one from that pack are some extra timers for minor buffs that are on your regular buff bar

So its all mostly shit you can learn on your own without any major issues, maybe it helps you with a rotation if you're lowkey retarded

 

[Drunken Fox]

Then how exactly am I wrong? I literally said "DPS can (and will) rip aggro with ease if you are a shitty tank."

Because even shitty tanks can hold threat. It is really just a few dumb massive burst abilities (mostly added in Shadowlands) that if a DPS uses on pull before the tank has established aggro that they'll get threat and at that point it is the DPS's fault for not waiting another 5 seconds because even a good tank cannot hold that. Threat is almost never and issue and if tanks are legitimately not being able to hold threat Blizz has just increased the threat generation modifier on tanks as has happened multiple times. Really the problem with shitty tanks is that they do stupid pulls and do not know how to manage their defensives. If there is a threat issue it is because they are literally not hitting a mob usually because there's a bunch of casters that they did not pull the group to, or LoS the pull, or range interrupt. The second they actually hit the mobs, threat is not an issue.

 

[Rubedo]

Eureka perhaps?

Wait, people are still going to Eureka? You think that place would be abandoned months ago.