Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

[Rungle]

>Doing hydaelyn extreme
>before we start ask: "Does everyone know the mechanics a bit?"
>tank with furfag race starts talking: "LOL, A BIT? THIS IS A CLEAR PARTY"
>furfag proceeds to ignore the water stacks for healers and gets hit 4 times
>furfag leaves afterwards without saying a word
>laugh with party about the tard

Well, the pandemonium raids are really fucking unfun.

git gud

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

p3 is genuinely annoying if you aren't a tank, because you WILL get smoothbrains. the rest are easy

 

[Gravemind]

I marvel sometimes at the how illiterate the players on this game can be.

Just look at this.

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For actual chads who read the quest: this poor xaela has a phobia of elephants due to an incident early in her life, and because the elephants on the Steppe are said to be ferocious beasts. There's no fucking racism involved. The entire quest is her overcoming that fear and actually growing as a person.

I'm reminded of how a friend recently shared with me some very peculiar takes, that they left unsourced outside of giving me quotes, about how there's a very specific subset of brain-addled manchildren out there who honestly believe that not only is Hermes a person of color (just because he has tan skin), but that his actions were excusable just based on him being a "person of color." Especially compared to the fact that nobody is "vilifying his white companions."

Spoiler: I really wish my friend had sourced these instead of directly copypasting quotes, but hey I'm gonna do the same now. And then paraphrase how dumb I said they were.

the way i see a lot of people talking about hermes is quite suspicious i think like the sudden need to vilify his every move compared to his white companions one of whom is like the villain of an entire expansion is really. hmmm

yeah no, the fact that Emet is so heavily woobified despite literally engaging in repeated and attempted genocide of entire worlds whilst ppl r out here trying to villify Hermes for uhh, making something that could destroy the world is incredibly suspect.

EXACTLY!!! like he was curious and depressed and that unfortunately created this entire situation and then he just had a complete breakdown. he did not actively engage in what happened, he was just a passive participant who wanted to let it happen because of said breakdown.

Yeah, let's just completely overlook the fact that Hermes is basically responsible for everything that's ever gone wrong going forward because he was too soft to accept that the rest of the universe is a harsh place, and instead of letting his friends conduct their own investigations into Meteion and her report, he fucked off with her, attacked his friends, didn't even deny it when Emet-Selch told him his stance was "pure sophistry", and then erased almost everyone in vicinity's memories (save Venat and you) just so he could force an ultimatum that amounts to him basically condemning the entire universe to die if he couldn't be proven wrong.

No, no, Hermes was definitely just a poor little baby who had an emotional breakdown and never once caused any of the things to happen ever. Because apparently these people also completely voided the events surrounding Ktisis Hyperboreia from their minds as well. Don't get me started on how much of a fucking hypocrite he ended up being, with all of his bullshit about "I don't like how my race treats death so lightly" being escalated to "I'm going to casually condemn the universe to die" just because he couldn't cope with things not turning out how he wanted them to turn out.

I really wish these people would just drop this fucking game already if they're going to find every single little thing questionable to downright offensive.

 

[Kane Lives]

p3 is genuinely annoying if you aren't a tank, because you WILL get smoothbrains. the rest are easy

I was honestly surprised how easy P4 was after you learned all the bosses tells (they weren't very clear on the first try). P3 is the true new E4.

I'm reminded of how a friend recently shared with me some very peculiar takes, that they left unsourced outside of giving me quotes, about how there's a very specific subset of brain-addled manchildren out there who honestly believe that not only is Hermes a person of color (just because he has tan skin), but that his actions were excusable just based on him being a "person of color." Especially compared to the fact that nobody is "vilifying his white companions."

Spoiler: I really wish my friend had sourced these instead of directly copypasting quotes, but hey I'm gonna do the same now. And then paraphrase how dumb I said they were.

Yeah, let's just completely overlook the fact that Hermes is basically responsible for everything that's ever gone wrong going forward because he was too soft to accept that the rest of the universe is a harsh place, and instead of letting his friends conduct their own investigations into Meteion and her report, he fucked off with her, attacked his friends, didn't even deny it when Emet-Selch told him his stance was "pure sophistry", and then erased almost everyone in vicinity's memories (save Venat and you) just so he could force an ultimatum that amounts to him basically condemning the entire universe to die if he couldn't be proven wrong.

No, no, Hermes was definitely just a poor little baby who had an emotional breakdown and never once caused any of the things to happen ever. Because apparently these people also completely voided the events surrounding Ktisis Hyperboreia from their minds as well. Don't get me started on how much of a fucking hypocrite he ended up being, with all of his bullshit about "I don't like how my race treats death so lightly" being escalated to "I'm going to casually condemn the universe to die" just because he couldn't cope with things not turning out how he wanted them to turn out.

I really wish these people would just drop this fucking game already if they're going to find every single little thing questionable to downright offensive.

The sheer amount of "I wish to murder Forchenault" memes my friend "posted for laughs" was extraordinary in the months leading up to Endwalker's release.

I can only assume these people come from broken families.

 

[Übertroon]

I thought it was just me experiencing shit healers, and that as a tank I should just hold my trap shut, but now my healer main friend has confirmed to me that there are some absolute mouthbreathers trying to be healers for the new raids

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

The majority of the main plot for the game is voice acted. No need to be literate when most of the important text is spoken. I bet Elpis was fun for them.

Most of ARR and a good chunk of HW/SB that is fairly important is not voice acted and these types of people are the type to go "AFTER ARR IT GETS SO GOOD AND IT IS WORTH IT. NOOOOO YOU CAN'T SKIP ARR BECAUSE IT IS SO IMPORTANT" so I presume they actually "read" ARR like they "read" this side quest. Then again ARR is for the most part really simple in what it is trying to convey that even a 8 year old can read it if they can get past the ye old english and pirate speak. While stuff like this side quest requires above a 4th grade level of reading comprehension.

I'm reminded of how a friend recently shared with me some very peculiar takes, that they left unsourced outside of giving me quotes, about how there's a very specific subset of brain-addled manchildren out there who honestly believe that not only is Hermes a person of color (just because he has tan skin), but that his actions were excusable just based on him being a "person of color." Especially compared to the fact that nobody is "vilifying his white companions."

Spoiler: I really wish my friend had sourced these instead of directly copypasting quotes, but hey I'm gonna do the same now. And then paraphrase how dumb I said they were.

Yeah, let's just completely overlook the fact that Hermes is basically responsible for everything that's ever gone wrong going forward because he was too soft to accept that the rest of the universe is a harsh place, and instead of letting his friends conduct their own investigations into Meteion and her report, he fucked off with her, attacked his friends, didn't even deny it when Emet-Selch told him his stance was "pure sophistry", and then erased almost everyone in vicinity's memories (save Venat and you) just so he could force an ultimatum that amounts to him basically condemning the entire universe to die if he couldn't be proven wrong.

No, no, Hermes was definitely just a poor little baby who had an emotional breakdown and never once caused any of the things to happen ever. Because apparently these people also completely voided the events surrounding Ktisis Hyperboreia from their minds as well. Don't get me started on how much of a fucking hypocrite he ended up being, with all of his bullshit about "I don't like how my race treats death so lightly" being escalated to "I'm going to casually condemn the universe to die" just because he couldn't cope with things not turning out how he wanted them to turn out.

I really wish these people would just drop this fucking game already if they're going to find every single little thing questionable to downright offensive.

Spoiler: Hermes shit, spoilers past lvl 88

PoC Hermes shit aside. Hermes as a character is effectively a super depressed person with some sort of existential dread who is determined to hear what people say without actually hearing them. He wants answers through his bird filter because he can't actually listen to what people actually say, so he needs this hyper emotional mind reader hivemind to figure it out for him.

One thing someone pointed out at me, Hermes is not really the empathetic animal rights activist person a lot of people go with initially. He projects his own feelings very hard in the way he talks and communicates about feelings and philosophy, he almost enforces his point of view on everything to the point that he can't process how other beings act or see things (like with Emet's sophistry comment or his mentor's choice to leave this world). He sees everything through this lens of depressing nothingness, of life lacking purpose in the end, because he himself can't fathom a purpose in his life so he uses other things and his work to give him answers to distract from his own head. He doesn't want his own answers, he wants other beings to replace his answers. He made Meteion to bring other people's answers to life, because to actually come up with things himself would require him to look at himself which is a very depressing prospect for him so he made his bird harem do it and screwed her up.

For all of Zenos' faults writing wise, he did better summarize the stories message and how it sees purpose in life. Zenos ultimately says during his exchange with Jullus that all people in the world make their own purpose and their own reasons for whatever reasons, and Zenos unlike Hermes doesn't just whine and bitch. He doesn't go on rants about "WHY CAN YOU FIND PURPOSE WIIIIITH PEOPLE AND I CAN'T!?!?!?!", instead he sticks with what he believes in and their is a weird part of me that respects him for that due to what we just saw. He did his thing, let us do our thing, and he just said he'll wait while Hermes would rather just damn everyone else because he can't get the thing he wants.

Zenos of all fucking people respects life and its ability to make its own place in the world more than Hermes.

Tfw Zenos is the most stable person in the villains room this expansion.

 

[Gravemind]

@Zeke Von Genbu I want to say, it was difficult to stop and read the rest of your analyzation of Hermes because from the first short paragraph on, I couldn't help but think "So, basically, we can say that Hermes is a giant autist" and I couldn't stop laughing at that thought. Because if we entertain the notion of just bastardizing all the finer details for the sake of a quick funny, I mean... He really is just a massive autist at the end of the day.

Now I suddenly hope someone out there is schizophrenic enough to sincerely make the "UMMM ACTUALLY, HERMES IS JUST AUTISTIC AND THIS GAME IS BEING DISCRIMINATORY AGAINST NEURODIVERGENT PEOPLE" argument.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

@Zeke Von Genbu I want to say, it was difficult to stop and read the rest of your analyzation of Hermes because from the first short paragraph on, I couldn't help but think "So, basically, we can say that Hermes is a giant autist" and I couldn't stop laughing at that thought. Because if we entertain the notion of just bastardizing all the finer details for the sake of a quick funny, I mean... He really is just a massive autist at the end of the day.

Now I suddenly hope someone out there is schizophrenic enough to sincerely make the "UMMM ACTUALLY, HERMES IS JUST AUTISTIC AND THIS GAME IS BEING DISCRIMINATORY AGAINST NEURODIVERGENT PEOPLE" argument.

Yeah calling him a full blown autist might just be the simplest way to explain it. Though I personally believe part of it is that he is just incapable of confronting and rethinking his own positions, so he just projects and due to that he can't comprehend other people. Which is more akin to just someone being intellectually dishonest due to a weak will.

I've seen people simp Zenos for 4 years and talk as if they actually have autism and just don't know or won't admit it, because usually their spiel starts with "So I identify with Zenos because I also believe that complicated emotions are dumb, and that going with your basic gut feelings is better. People are stupid for complicating things with emotions". So give it time and I'm sure someone will identify with Hermes, Hermes is more sympathetic so someone will latch onto "UHHHHH SO ISHIKAWA JUST HATE AUTISTS AND MAKE THEM LOOK BAD" to strum up pity because their guy isn't a good guy.

I heard as much from people with "anxiety and depression" stated that the whole blasphemy transformation (especially in Thavnair) was taken as SE demonizing anxiety and depression, and that the moral was "Just stop having anxiety lol".

 

[FencePost]

@Zeke Von Genbu

Spoiler: Reply

The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that Hermes just wanted an excuse to be nihilistic; to have excuse when others told him to quit being sad all the time. At several points, Fandaniel says he enjoyed being Amon more than Hermes, more than likely because he essentially recreated Meteion, complete with Xande coming to the same conclusion, and actually got to remember it this time. I can't tell if that makes him a good or bad villain though.

 

[Dave.]

I marvel sometimes at the how illiterate the players on this game can be.

Just look at this.

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For actual chads who read the quest: this poor xaela has a phobia of elephants due to an incident early in her life, and because the elephants on the Steppe are said to be ferocious beasts. There's no fucking racism involved. The entire quest is her overcoming that fear and actually growing as a person.

"I-I don't know if I can help these people, their kind killed my family and friends."
"Why are you a racist and a fascist who objectively hates other people different then you?"
"B-because they fight with no remorse and they killed my mom and dad."
"You have no right to judge someone on the basis of immutable characteristics and it is stupid of you to have these feelings."
"B-but I understand they're good, but I just need more time to trust them."
"Racism is bad. You are bad for perpetuating it, please stop it."

 

[CharcoalChkn]

I hate P3, why is the floor the same colour as the spell effects.

I'm having such a hard time discerning ANYTHING as a melee.

 

[FencePost]

I hate P3, why is the floor the same colour as the spell effects.

I'm having such a hard time discerning ANYTHING as a melee.

Try swapping to a colorblind mode maybe?

 

[Zizara]

"Racism is bad. You are bad for perpetuating it, please stop it."

Spoiler: Elephant Men & Elephants in the Room

You'd think they would sympathise with what is clearly a victim of racism, given all we knew about the Elephant men before getting to Thavnair was that tribes of them are psychos who kill on sight and are particularly focused on wiping out Au Ra, but I guess not. How dare this girl have trauma to get over when fish seller is so cute?

The idea that discrimination and conflict is multifaceted, complicated, difficult to get over, and ultimately requires immense strength of heart to be the better man who understands both sides and breaks the cycle of abuse has been the focus of the narrative since Heavensward. Yet there are still players who can't manage it unprompted. The big litmus test for the shitters in the fanbase was Garlemald, which a disturbing amount managed to make their way through and still come out thinking that the Garlean people deserve no pity and should have been conquered/oppressed by us, without a hint of irony or empathy.

I'm not sure if it's a case of skippers, people being just that basic, or if they're too deep in the "bash the fash" mentality to see sense, but however they loop around to thinking that raiding a desperate refugee camp and executing its power structure would be a morally good act it leaves a bad taste.

 

[Dave.]

The big litmus test for the shitters in the fanbase was Garlemald, which a disturbing amount managed to make their way through and still come out thinking that the Garlean people deserve no pity and should have been conquered/oppressed by us, without a hint of irony or empathy.

Do any of those same people have "No Minors" or "NSFW" or that no under 18 emoji in their twitter descriptions or names? Because if they do, that's all you need to know. It's an automatic do not interact.

 

[Tiggletown]

Got a 98% Dancer Parse on the first P1S last night and that was only 200 more DPS than a 45% green parse from a Summoner.

Currently Bard is close to 80% of savage parses with Mch and Dancer pulling roughly 10% each.

The fucked up giving bards back their buffs but not changing anything with Dancer.

 

[Zeke Von Genbu]

Spoiler: Elephant Men & Elephants in the Room

You'd think they would sympathise with what is clearly a victim of racism, given all we knew about the Elephant men before getting to Thavnair was that tribes of them are psychos who kill on sight and are particularly focused on wiping out Au Ra, but I guess not. How dare this girl have trauma to get over when fish seller is so cute?

The idea that discrimination and conflict is multifaceted, complicated, difficult to get over, and ultimately requires immense strength of heart to be the better man who understands both sides and breaks the cycle of abuse has been the focus of the narrative since Heavensward. Yet there are still players who can't manage it unprompted. The big litmus test for the shitters in the fanbase was Garlemald, which a disturbing amount managed to make their way through and still come out thinking that the Garlean people deserve no pity and should have been conquered/oppressed by us, without a hint of irony or empathy.

I'm not sure if it's a case of skippers, people being just that basic, or if they're too deep in the "bash the fash" mentality to see sense, but however they loop around to thinking that raiding a desperate refugee camp and executing its power structure would be a morally good act it leaves a bad taste.

Spoiler: Autism tangent about heroism

This entire series of takes where story people so greatly miss the point of what being the WoL means reminds me of a very long autistic video essay about Superman. The summary of their thesis was that Superman effectively represents the ideal man we are meant to be in the future, yet is so misunderstood by modern day thinktanks who more heavily sympathize and respect villains over heroes like Superman because they are "boring and outdated".

This made me realize that the WoL is effectively Superman just not as overpowered. They are intended to come off as a person of resilience, executer of utmost fair justice, does not fall to temptations to act unheroic, and ultimately does the right things when the chips are down. The WoL with the Scions' voice (even with Estinien) are effectively a collective body, mind, and voice of justice and fairness, and what people forget about being fair means you have to actually listen to people. So many people want to "dunk on" people like we're still on the internet having debates that ultimately mean nothing, not actually making interactions that shape the lives of many people like these cutscenes are meant to portray.

They want to get into pointless back and forths because it'd make them feel good to "bash the fash", yet they don't understand that the WoL is intended to be above that. As spergy and autistic as it is to say this, these types of people don't deserve to be the Warriors of Light the game praises them to be. If this were a single player game with multiple dialogue choices, I'd want every single reddit/twitter tier choice to conflict resolution to just lead to a game over where you fail your heroic objective every single time because you lose sight of your goal to get into dumb petty bullshit.

I also can't fathom going "bash fash REEEEEEE!!!" to Garlemald and seething over how we didn't just beat them all to a pulp, yet everyone loves Heavensward and Ishgard where a theocracy abused their religious given standing and lied to everyone for a thousand years costing endless lives in a pointless war. So many Archbishops had a chance to consider or fix everything, and they all did absolutely fuck all.

 

[Dave.]

Spoiler: Autism tangent about heroism

This entire series of takes where story people so greatly miss the point of what being the WoL means reminds me of a very long autistic video essay about Superman. The summary of their thesis was that Superman effectively represents the ideal man we are meant to be in the future, yet is so misunderstood by modern day thinktanks who more heavily sympathize and respect villains over heroes like Superman because they are "boring and outdated".

This made me realize that the WoL is effectively Superman just not as overpowered. They are intended to come off as a person of resilience, executer of utmost fair justice, does not fall to temptations to act unheroic, and ultimately does the right things when the chips are down. The WoL with the Scions' voice (even with Estinien) are effectively a collective body, mind, and voice of justice and fairness, and what people forget about being fair means you have to actually listen to people. So many people want to "dunk on" people like we're still on the internet having debates that ultimately mean nothing, not actually making interactions that shape the lives of many people like these cutscenes are meant to portray.

They want to get into pointless back and forths because it'd make them feel good to "bash the fash", yet they don't understand that the WoL is intended to be above that. As spergy and autistic as it is to say this, these types of people don't deserve to be the Warriors of Light the game praises them to be. If this were a single player game with multiple dialogue choices, I'd want every single reddit/twitter tier choice to conflict resolution to just lead to a game over where you fail your heroic objective every single time because you lose sight of your goal to get into dumb petty bullshit.

I also can't fathom going "bash fash REEEEEEE!!!" to Garlemald and seething over how we didn't just beat them all to a pulp, yet everyone loves Heavensward and Ishgard where a theocracy abused their religious given standing and lied to everyone for a thousand years costing endless lives in a pointless war. So many Archbishops had a chance to consider or fix everything, and they all did absolutely fuck all.

Right because let's just waste human lives because we were in a bad mood one day and some guy told us we were wrong for thinking as we did back in Eorzea. I'm sure some poor Gridanian guy who gets cutdown in a scuffle created by our little Social Justice Warrior of Light really feels empowerment because the entire skirmish he had to fight in was caused by an idle insult and a war of words. Fucking wonderful. I'm not utterly surprised these little shits who live in a bubble have no regard for humanity or rather see the U.S army or law enforcement as drones because "that's just their job".

 

[ForgedBlades]

This shit is just the best. Made sitting through all of the other boring shit worth it.

 

[PuffyGroundCloud]

tfw

Spoiler

Zenos has become a fucking GIGA-CHAD because of "The Hunt"
and Virgin Hermes just circle-jerking with Bird because muh life and death
wait, so that means Hermes = Redditors?
Based Ishikawa

 

[John Titor]

Spoiler: Autism tangent about heroism

This entire series of takes where story people so greatly miss the point of what being the WoL means reminds me of a very long autistic video essay about Superman. The summary of their thesis was that Superman effectively represents the ideal man we are meant to be in the future, yet is so misunderstood by modern day thinktanks who more heavily sympathize and respect villains over heroes like Superman because they are "boring and outdated".

This made me realize that the WoL is effectively Superman just not as overpowered. They are intended to come off as a person of resilience, executer of utmost fair justice, does not fall to temptations to act unheroic, and ultimately does the right things when the chips are down. The WoL with the Scions' voice (even with Estinien) are effectively a collective body, mind, and voice of justice and fairness, and what people forget about being fair means you have to actually listen to people. So many people want to "dunk on" people like we're still on the internet having debates that ultimately mean nothing, not actually making interactions that shape the lives of many people like these cutscenes are meant to portray.

They want to get into pointless back and forths because it'd make them feel good to "bash the fash", yet they don't understand that the WoL is intended to be above that. As spergy and autistic as it is to say this, these types of people don't deserve to be the Warriors of Light the game praises them to be. If this were a single player game with multiple dialogue choices, I'd want every single reddit/twitter tier choice to conflict resolution to just lead to a game over where you fail your heroic objective every single time because you lose sight of your goal to get into dumb petty bullshit.

I also can't fathom going "bash fash REEEEEEE!!!" to Garlemald and seething over how we didn't just beat them all to a pulp, yet everyone loves Heavensward and Ishgard where a theocracy abused their religious given standing and lied to everyone for a thousand years costing endless lives in a pointless war. So many Archbishops had a chance to consider or fix everything, and they all did absolutely fuck all.

It really irritates me when people boil WoL down to "Mary Sue who can do no wrong and everybody loves them" while ignoring that you had to earn that shit. On top of that, these are the same people who go "just shoot the bad guy!"

This shit is just the best. Made sitting through all of the other boring shit worth it.

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