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SnowBall dijo:
Was the ending of this EP at least a great send off of 8 years of story? As someone who was there since 1.0 all I care about is that it ended well. My internet has been total ass lately and I just got the game to update fully a few days ago so I had to sit out of EA.
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There are clearly outliers, but personally, I think it was great. 81-82 is a little slow, but 83 onwards it goes wildly off the rails (in a good way) and a combination of heartfelt emotion and pure stunned wtf tag teamed me through from there.
 
The odds are pretty fucked for him all things considered but i'm still not convinced Zenos is dead.
Also all the care I built up for the Scions left the second they got upset I wanted to do something for myself instead of for them. So what if I wanted to die in a double homicide with some obsessed schizoid? It's my life.
 
BarberFerdinand dijo:
Why? That seems strangely specific. It's hard to see why they couldn't use one of the methods posted above, or, have venat give the tracker to zodiark and sick him on them. I mean, zodairk controls enormous amounts of aether, which naturally suppresses dynamis. Under the circumstances they can't just be blasted away, but can still be beaten by what I guess will be 8 people? Again, haven't gotten that far, but them being literally omnipotent against everything but a very specific person seems odd.
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Venat seems to conclude it has to be a man because if not they'll just fall for the Zodiark solution whenever problems occur. And Zodiark is not a solution. Zodiark like most primal require constantly more sacrifices. Any solution involving Zodiark would mean justifying sending more and more people to suffer a limbo as sacrificed to Zodiark, and all so the unsundered can live in the "paradise" that gave birth to Meteion in the first place.
 
BarberFerdinand dijo:
Why? That seems strangely specific. It's hard to see why they couldn't use one of the methods posted above, or, have venat give the tracker to zodiark and sick him on them. I mean, zodairk controls enormous amounts of aether, which naturally suppresses dynamis. Under the circumstances they can't just be blasted away, but can still be beaten by what I guess will be 8 people? Again, haven't gotten that far, but them being literally omnipotent against everything but a very specific person seems odd.
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Remember, dynamis and aether mix like oil and water to a being of pure aether. Dynamis is also technically more available then aether which when used in greater abundance (such as by a birb hivemind who has generated countless emotions from their discoveries) can overwhelm aether despite technically being weaker pound for pound (Dynamis is 68% of harnessable the energy in the world vs 32% being good ol' aether on a normal day. So even if Dynamis is only 50% strength it is still more abundant.). Unsundered individuals have literally practically no control over dynamis, unless your a completely depressed person like Hermes which doesn't have good odds at winning vs such a foe, which is why dynamis completely breaks their creation magicks on the planet. So what else could such a surge of dynamis energy break if fought directly?

The final days are basically negative dynamis energy that creeps through what is effectively an aether ozone layer opening, that is literally all it takes to start absolute chaos is effectively a leak of concentrated dynamis energy. As also shown in Thavnair, Dynamis energy when fully pressed upon an individual can completely drown out your aether so hard that you don't even return to the aetherial sea either, so Dynamis energy shows potential to be able to overtake aether when abundant enough. Sundered individuals being able to actually use dynamis in turn lets them actually fight a being who masters dynamis assuming they can master their emotions.

As a very small spoiler you need an absolute FUCK TON of aether to get to Meteion in the end, so much so that even Zodiark would probably be very much notably drained and thus have a harder time putting up a fight vs Dynamis birb collective.

Basically these justifications are ultimately made to symbolize and hit on the idea this expansion wants to express that "To beat despair, we must accept and overcome it directly instead of trying to avoid it".

In other news, zoomers be seething

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BarberFerdinand dijo:
Why? That seems strangely specific. It's hard to see why they couldn't use one of the methods posted above, or, have venat give the tracker to zodiark and sick him on them. I mean, zodairk controls enormous amounts of aether, which naturally suppresses dynamis. Under the circumstances they can't just be blasted away, but can still be beaten by what I guess will be 8 people? Again, haven't gotten that far, but them being literally omnipotent against everything but a very specific person seems odd.
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Keep in mind that, when meteion wanted to hide herself by hyperthinning her aether, the ancients couldn’t even hope to sense her. Even we could only hear her through us sensing dynamis. It’s the same trick Thancred used to fool Ran’jit, actually… which ties in with a level 89 moment nicely, now I think of it.

Meteion heads to a place of pure dynamis, and fills it with her despair. To be able to even hope to beat her, you need two things, one pragmatic reason and one anime reason:

Pragmatically, you need beings that can at least somewhat influence dynamis. The ancients, though replete with Aether, can barely sense dynamis at all, or interact with it. They can indirectly influence it by tossing aether around, but if space travel was reasonable with aether alone meteion wouldn’t be an entelechy in the first place. Sending both enough aether to get them to her and empower them enough to beat her with aether alone is basically impossible - it took half the population just to plug the holes in the celestial aether. And if Zodiark leaves, the Final days begin the next day. With our thinner aether, it’s possible to interact with Dynamis and perceive it better.

The anime reason is you need people who not only can interact with dynamis, but who have experienced despair and overcome it. It’s no good to create an entelechy who’s never known suffering, like meteion was, because they’ll only be overwhelmed by the despair and not know how to deal with it. You could in theory create one that experiences suffering and learns to overcome it, but “we created you to suffer to deal with our problem at no cost to us” is… worse than even what Venat did, and classic tragic supervillain material.

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I realised while typing the above that the last area of the Dead Ends is not a random pick: it's deliberately chosen by Meteion to compare with Ancient Eitherys in goal. Like Eitherys, they can create living beings, and they can establish paradise. But for them, with no joy or sorrow, and no greater goal to strive for... all they can do is wish for death to save them from paradise.
To a degree, the other worlds also reflect the worlds we've visited so far, though I don't know whether this is intentional or not, either by meteion or the designers. A world which succumbs to an affliction that makes monsters from men, caused by one group pushing their cause too far - like the Flood of Light, caused by it's warriors. A world torn apart by war, where ever increasing retaliations lead to violent annihilation on both sides - like Garlemald and Eorzea, and the fall of Dalamud. And a world where masked and robed figures aimed for paradise, only to turn to a god of their own making for salvation - Ra-la and Zodiark.
 
Yeah, I should probably finish the msq before commenting further. That being said, I feel my reasoning is sound based on what's already been stated in game, even in regard to some of the responses here, which bring up things I've already addressed.
 
The story also seemingly gives a reason for why Fandaniel went full nihilist. They mention that when you die the memory manipulation goes away. As a unsundered Fandaniel has already died once and been resurrected. Through death Fandaniel would come to remember the events at Elpis once brought back. As both Hermes and Amon he became obsessed with finding the meaning to life, and both times the lack of meaning seemed to have made him increasingly irrational
 
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I realised while typing the above that the last area of the Dead Ends is not a random pick: it's deliberately chosen by Meteion to compare with Ancient Eitherys in goal. Like Eitherys, they can create living beings, and they can establish paradise. But for them, with no joy or sorrow, and no greater goal to strive for... all they can do is wish for death to save them from paradise.
To a degree, the other worlds also reflect the worlds we've visited so far, though I don't know whether this is intentional or not, either by meteion or the designers. A world which succumbs to an affliction that makes monsters from men, caused by one group pushing their cause too far - like the Flood of Light, caused by it's warriors. A world torn apart by war, where ever increasing retaliations lead to violent annihilation on both sides - like Garlemald and Eorzea, and the fall of Dalamud. And a world where masked and robed figures aimed for paradise, only to turn to a god of their own making for salvation - Ra-la and Zodiark.
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I liked how they did something similar with the final worlds in Ultima Thule, which are clearly are intentional (the latter two especially since they focus entirely on these societies and "the reason to live"). The Ea poured their lives into a search for knowledge. That was their reason for living. But they learned that knowledge is theoretically finite (as reality as they know it is theoretically finite), and they lost their reason to live despite all the amazing advancements they had made. Yet they still needed their bodies to "die properly".
The Omicron are similar, but regarding strength. They spent their entire history improving their physical forms and waging war out of fear that they couldn't defend themselves otherwise. Might was their reason to exist, and when they realized there was nothing that could ever challenge them, they realized they too had no reason to live and had given up their humanity in search of their goal. That it was all for nothing.
 
Holy fucking shit. I want to bang the goddess of light so goddamn bad. I can't stand it anymore. Every time I go to the source I get a massive erection. I've seen literally every rule 34 post there is of her online. My dreams are nothing but constant fucking sex with Venat. I'm sick of waking up every morning with six nuts in my boxers and knowing that those are nuts that should've been busted inside of Venat's mothercrystal shaped pussy I want her to have my soul of Azem.

Fuck, my fucking mom caught me with the lamp in my bedroom. I'd dressed her in my sisters carnival mask and graduation robes and went to fucking town. She hasn't said a word to me in 10 hours and I'm worried she's gonna take away my FFXIV subscription. I might not ever get to see Hydaelyn again.
 
Zilortha dijo:
I liked how they did something similar with the final worlds in Ultima Thule, which are clearly are intentional (the latter two especially since they focus entirely on these societies and "the reason to live"). The Ea poured their lives into a search for knowledge. That was their reason for living. But they learned that knowledge is theoretically finite (as reality as they know it is theoretically finite), and they lost their reason to live despite all the amazing advancements they had made. Yet they still needed their bodies to "die properly".
The Omicron are similar, but regarding strength. They spent their entire history improving their physical forms and waging war out of fear that they couldn't defend themselves otherwise. Might was their reason to exist, and when they realized there was nothing that could ever challenge them, they realized they too had no reason to live and had given up their humanity in search of their goal. That it was all for nothing.
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I would suggest everyone to use explore mode (I'm pretty sure that works) or trusts and read the interactable objects on the ground if you haven't already. Their are even references to Meteion's visits in those.

The second zone in particular is an EXTREMELY on the nose parallel of Garlemald's actions of a society at constant war of unification and peacekeeping, the second journal in that zone ends with something to the effect of "When we asked what it was all for, no one was around to reply." followed by just before you go to the last 3rd of the dungeon a soldier bombs an entire city in the background.
 
Apparently Bozja/Zandor is somehow still the best leveling spot for most of the 80-90 process in terms of speed (you can supposedly get 80 > 90 in about 8 or so hours due to the volume of people there if you got a good party roaming around with you), so if anyone has the stomach to do that I'd suggest giving it a whirl for yourself.
 
Dr. Geronimo dijo:
So I'm interested in starting the game (once the servers stop shitting themselves). What server do you guys play on?
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We're all over the place but if you're in the North American region, it seems we're on the Primal and Crystal datacenters. Doesn't totally matter what servers because we can temporarily hop them. Keep in mind that Crystal (specifically Balmung) has a reputation of being the coomer DC, if you're familiar with WoW culture, they're like Moonshire or something. Aether right now has the reputation of being the Raid and streamer server while Primal is middle of the road if it matters to you. We were suppose to get a function where we could hop between Data Centers but that has been delayed.
 
I really honestly disliked how they put all the moon rabbit autism right after killing zodiark, really felt like you were helping a bunch of autistic moonfurries fix their shit while the world was too busy preparing to goatse itself due to the fucking end days, which was a shame because Urianger's part was pretty nice and honest, and him being the emissary/main liasion between the earth and the moonrabbits was honestly pretty good, if they immiediatly kicked the world into overfuck after murdering Zodiark and maybe used the moonrabbit autism to forshadow the fact that killing it wouldnt fix anything, it probably would've been better, but thats just my opinion
 
Dr. Geronimo dijo:
So I'm interested in starting the game (once the servers stop shitting themselves). What server do you guys play on?
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I'm on Aether, Jenova. I've never had any really bad experiences so far with randos, though since endwalker came out I've devoted myself to MSQ non-stop and haven't touched duty finder so it could be that these days you're going to be stuck with a whole bunch of sages who can't keep you alive no matter where you go.
 
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