Final Fantasy 7 Remake Trilogy Discussion - News and Lore Yappin, Griefers GTFO

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Prophetic Spirit dijo:
Is there a possibility with this trilogy of ff7 remake being a one-game after a patch on PC?
Cockstar done that with GTA IV, merging the DLC's in one game.
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I could see them trying to double dip and entice people who haven’t played the first two games to buy a trilogy.

I personally played the first one on PS4 when it released. Thought it was mid but wanted to wait until a third one has a release date.

Might pick up part 2 and play it in December when I take off work for Christmas week. Is Rebirth worth the $20 on a Steam sale?
 
GeorgeFloydFentanylStash dijo:
I could see them trying to double dip and entice people who haven’t played the first two games to buy a trilogy.

I personally played the first one on PS4 when it released. Thought it was mid but wanted to wait until a third one has a release date.

Might pick up part 2 and play it in December when I take off work for Christmas week. Is Rebirth worth the $20 on a Steam sale?
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They were selling Remake/Rebirth as a double pack, so it's assumed we'll get a triple pack option this time around.

I feel it's very worth it at 20 considering how much time you can get out of it, just don't try to do everything in a zone at once and get burnt out. It went on sale when they announcd Revelation and still should be right now.
 
Dr. Geronimo dijo:
I'm just going to say what has been said a lot. DO NOT try to play through all three games in one go. The first 2 combined are probably 150 hours or more. So far it looks like Revelations is another big one.
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It’s how we like our FF7, several hundred fucking hour play through.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 dijo:
Because a funeral scene is a downer. No, we got to have alt Aerith talk to Cloud in a field so that he gets closure. Or something.
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It wouldn't be a problem if these asshats didn't split everything up into 3 games that take 10 years to release. But even so, you can still have a game that ends on a downer when we already know there's another part coming. And it would follow the 3 act structure, like the original Star Wars trilogy. 1st part establishes everything and has the good guys win, 2nd part the villain comes back and it ends on a downer/cliffhanger, then the 3rd part has the heroes rise up again to win once and for all. It's the most basic storytelling technique that has worked since the beginning of time...but I guess modern audiences can only handle pointing at the screen and clapping like seals when they see their favorite characters so we gotta fuck everything up and not make people think too hard. That and the modern developers that can't just stick with source materials and have to make changes to "prove themselves" that they know better and deserve their jobs.

Oh well, I guess I can look forward to the remake of Empire Strikes Back, where Han doesn't get frozen and there's a 5 minute dialogue with him and Leia using the force to talk to each other and Leia tells him she'll save him from Jabba. Also Luke doesn't lose his hand, he just cries like a bitch after Vader tells him he's his father until Leia shows up and pulls him to safety. Then she pulls out her own Lightsaber and has an epic duel against a giant Emperor Palpatine hologram alongside Obi-Wan's ghost where they win after the ghost of Padme also shows up and kills the hologram with a blaster. Then they all dance with Ewoks as the credits roll.
 
GeorgeFloydFentanylStash dijo:
It’s how we like our FF7, several hundred fucking hour play through.
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If you didn't spend at least 150.hours on a playthru was it a playthru?

Hamburger Detractor dijo:
It wouldn't be a problem if these asshats didn't split everything up into 3 games that take 10 years to release. But even so, you can still have a game that ends on a downer when we already know there's another part coming. And it would follow the 3 act structure, like the original Star Wars trilogy. 1st part establishes everything and has the good guys win, 2nd part the villain comes back and it ends on a downer/cliffhanger, then the 3rd part has the heroes rise up again to win once and for all. It's the most basic storytelling technique that has worked since the beginning of time...but I guess modern audiences can only handle pointing at the screen and clapping like seals when they see their favorite characters so we gotta fuck everything up and not make people think too hard. That and the modern developers that can't just stick with source materials and have to make changes to "prove themselves" that they know better and deserve their jobs.

Oh well, I guess I can look forward to the remake of Empire Strikes Back, where Han doesn't get frozen and there's a 5 minute dialogue with him and Leia using the force to talk to each other and Leia tells him she'll save him from Jabba. Also Luke doesn't lose his hand, he just cries like a bitch after Vader tells him he's his father until Leia shows up and pulls him to safety. Then she pulls out her own Lightsaber and has an epic duel against a giant Emperor Palpatine hologram alongside Obi-Wan's ghost where they win after the ghost of Padme also shows up and kills the hologram with a blaster. Then they all dance with Ewoks as the credits roll.
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The Disney fication of everything male loved is a cancer. And if they did a remake of star wars u already know luke will be a lesbian and han will be black. And there will be a whole scene dedicated to freeing some endangered species of some shit.

once again nomura is a fucking bitch for not seeing this thru and the giving it to his ass buddy hamaguchi
 
As soon as it was clear they were doing a new story using FF7 I knew Aerith would live because that's the only, or primary, way for Cloud to complete his Hero's Journey since defeating Sephiroth is something he'd have already done.

So I was less put off by the changes to Rebirth's ending, least of all since I expected an attempt at the iconic original with VOICE ACTING to be cringe, because at least they aren't doing me the dishonor of pretending otherwise.

That said I didn't really update my priors with the Multiverse nonsense. I mean, I wouldn't really find it satisfying if some other Aerith lives in place of the one who actually did all the work to save the world. Then again I also assumed Sephiroth killed that other Aerith.

It would be funny if Square somehow pissed everyone off by reviving Aerith but also not really the same Aerith.

Also this is why Multiverse Stories are worse than Time Travel, and Time Travel is notoriously tricky, because it would be meaningful and resonant if (for example) Cloud defeated Sephiroth in the timestream so he's lost forever and events are reconfigured so that Aerith lived but never met Cloud. That's sort of how Edge of Tomorrow ended. And it's sort of the same thing as an Aerith From Another Universe living in ours in the place of the Aerith we actually knew, but isn't creepy.

Edge of Tomorrow's ending scene for context.
 
Berrakh dijo:
It would be funny if Square somehow pissed everyone off by reviving Aerith but also not really the same Aerith.
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That would be funny, I'm looking forward to months of seethe either way.

Personally I'm fine with Aerith/Zack surviving somehow since this isn't a traditional remake/requel, but similarly I've held it in mind that the least cringe way fire Chekov's gun is to eliminate Jenova's influence through all time and space with the clear materia. Technically not a 'revival' if they don't die in the first place, but it'd basically be a reset to a world Cloud/the party wants and be a sort of loop where they're fighting Shinra again just sans Jenova experiments, which still has it's own issues.

Either way half the fandom is mad already, so they might as well have fun and go all in instead of alienating the entire fandom.
 
Zenos Yae Viator dijo:
Pretty sure Aerith is the downtown girl hanging out with whores and is an easy lay while Tifa is the country bumpkin ex-mountain sherpa girl, they just have inverted appearances
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Well Aerith did grow up in the slums after all...
Dr. Geronimo dijo:
I'm just going to say what has been said a lot. DO NOT try to play through all three games in one go. The first 2 combined are probably 150 hours or more. So far it looks like Revelations is another big one.
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Rebirth is easily a 200 hour long game if you're trying to 100% everything.
 
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Broseph dijo:
Well Aerith did grow up in the slums after all...
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It's almost a plot point she didn't hang out with whores. And it is more than a plot point that she is fundamentally how she appears to be. Without that understanding various plot points don't work as anything other than excuses for more story.

Yeah they have inverted appearances but nobody is arguing Aerith is secretly a heron addict or serial killer so obviously there are limits, even if we wanted to ignore how the devs themselves describe the two girls.

Toxic BRAAAAP Mask dijo:
That would be funny, I'm looking forward to months of seethe either way.

Personally I'm fine with Aerith/Zack surviving somehow since this isn't a traditional remake/requel, but similarly I've held it in mind that the least cringe way fire Chekov's gun is to eliminate Jenova's influence through all time and space with the clear materia. Technically not a 'revival' if they don't die in the first place, but it'd basically be a reset to a world Cloud/the party wants and be a sort of loop where they're fighting Shinra again just sans Jenova experiments, which still has it's own issues.

Either way half the fandom is mad already, so they might as well have fun and go all in instead of alienating the entire fandom.
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There are a lot of funny ways they could end this series by Making No One Happy.

The most awful would be they do the thing they did in Rebirth where you can choose to romance Tifa but you end up on a final date with Aerith anyway... but this time with the Highwind Scene to make it even worse. It's actually not hard to imagine that happening. You say the right thing with Tifa to unlock the Highwind Scene but also you do a sidequest that unlocks the True Ending where Cloud's desire to reconnect with Aerith brings her back to life (and the staff members on each scenario didn't have time to talk to one another).
 
Zenos Yae Viator dijo:
yea I was exaggerating, my point is Aerith is way more the type of Girl Tifa looks like she'd be, and Tifa is the awe shucks country girl who only has ever thought about Cloud ever.
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I still disagree. Maybe we're desensitized to it but Tifa wears less than the HoneyBee girls do. That's not a reasonable proxy for Aerith's personality. And she joined a terror cell.

It's literally just Aerith is like a cliche tomboy-- outgoing, streetwise, wearing whatever doesn't clash even if it's improvised and un-self-conscious.
Tifa is like a cliche well-behaved girl-- compliant, quite image-conscious and interested in domesticable things like clothes
But both have their foibles like Tifa knowing how to drive automobiles and Aerith being a gardener and orphan-minder.

The mistake as I see it is defining them as contrasts. But they weren't even designed at the same time and their roles in the story were decided in advance of any finer character-work.

Ergo, in most ways,Aerith and Tifa aren't different/delineated enough to be clearly juxtaposed. Asuka and Rei are genuine opposite personalities but the differences between Aerith and Tifa are Tifa being in the Top .1% of Agreeability while Aerith is "only" in the Top 1%

And there's the fact they're not of equal importance so comparing them as Equal-Opposites has to occur in a vacuum. Because the story is pretty clear that Aerith's moxie is a more helpful trait when it really counts. Even her having another love interest ends up being a bonus because it lets her see how Cloud's fake persona is psychologically inconsistent back in Disc 1.

I would have pegged Tifa as a Fallen Aw Shucks Country Girl but honestly her personality pre-Nibelheim Incident is pretty opaque. Partly because it's always filtered through memory and also because Square keeps changing their minds. And sometimes they clearly make mistakes like having Tifa throw a small tantrum half an hour after one of the Shinra guards died on the trip (Rebirth obviously). Then there's things like how she dresses like a cowboy that one time, but she actually has a diverse array of outfits so it's probably more just her liking clothes and dressing-up than her just being "country". So kind of a normal girl whose dad paid for a lot of extracurriculars and whose life was upset by something real bad that toughened her up.

Whereas Aerith's life was terrible near the start, but for Ifalna giving everything for them to be free, and so freedom/kindness are what matter in her mind.

Both girls can be described by their respective moments of revelation/change. Things got worse for Tifa so she tries to look tougher/cooler while things got better for Aerith so she's non-fussed about it and wears a doily.
 
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Aerith was always destined to die because for Japs having a fictional woman having previous romantic experience means she is Used Goods whore.
 
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