US FCC Attempts to Solve Robocall Problem by Potentially Creating Even Bigger Privacy Problem - This move could kill burner phones if it goes forward.

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In a press release late last month, FCC chairman Brendan Carr said “We must bring meaningful robocall relief to consumers.” In another press release two days later, the commission wrote that “Stopping illegal calls is the FCC’s top consumer protection priority.”

At face value, this emphasis should be welcome news to the American public. Late last year a report from the consumer advocacy group U.S. PIRG Education Fund found that Americans had received 2.14 billion robocalls per month in 2024. That’s only about six per month on a per-capita basis, but they aren’t evenly distributed. It’s not unheard of for some Americans to get over 100 spam calls in a day.

But the FCC’s cure might be worse than the disease.

Among other sweeping changes, the era of the burner phone could end with the rollout of new “Know Your Customer” rules voted on by the FCC on April 30, as noted by the blog of the D.C. telecom law firm Wiley Rein. Customers would, according to the proposed rules, have to present a government ID, a physical address, a full legal name, and an existing phone number. FCC rules at this phase are not yet in force, and would not go into effect for a year after full approval. The commission is still seeking comment, and is asking to hear privacy concerns specifically.

A May 6 blog post on the website of the civil liberties group Reclaim the Net says, “The result would be an identity-verification regime covering one of the last semi-anonymous communication tools available to ordinary Americans.”

Indeed, easy access to phones for people in dire situations, such as refugees or people fleeing abusive relationships, is seen as a hugely pro-social use of the relative anonymity provided almost accidentally by low-cost prepaid phone service providers

In addition to cracking down on anonymity, there are proposed “red flags” that may trigger scrutiny from the FCC. Using a virtual office, or certain commercial addresses when asked for a physical address, operating a website or using an email address deemed suspicious, and not being traceable to the state claimed in the address provided.

Paying for phone service with cryptocurrency could also become an FCC red flag.

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FCC Attempts to Solve Robocall Problem by Potentially Creating Even Bigger Privacy Problem​

This move could kill burner phones if it goes forward.
By Mike PearlPublished May 10, 2026, 9:00 am ET
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In a press release late last month, FCC chairman Brendan Carr said “We must bring meaningful robocall relief to consumers.” In another press release two days later, the commission wrote that “Stopping illegal calls is the FCC’s top consumer protection priority.”

At face value, this emphasis should be welcome news to the American public. Late last year a report from the consumer advocacy group U.S. PIRG Education Fund found that Americans had received 2.14 billion robocalls per month in 2024. That’s only about six per month on a per-capita basis, but they aren’t evenly distributed. It’s not unheard of for some Americans to get over 100 spam calls in a day.

But the FCC’s cure might be worse than the disease.

Among other sweeping changes, the era of the burner phone could end with the rollout of new “Know Your Customer” rules voted on by the FCC on April 30, as noted by the blog of the D.C. telecom law firm Wiley Rein. Customers would, according to the proposed rules, have to present a government ID, a physical address, a full legal name, and an existing phone number. FCC rules at this phase are not yet in force, and would not go into effect for a year after full approval. The commission is still seeking comment, and is asking to hear privacy concerns specifically.

A May 6 blog post on the website of the civil liberties group Reclaim the Net says, “The result would be an identity-verification regime covering one of the last semi-anonymous communication tools available to ordinary Americans.”

Indeed, easy access to phones for people in dire situations, such as refugees or people fleeing abusive relationships, is seen as a hugely pro-social use of the relative anonymity provided almost accidentally by low-cost prepaid phone service providers.

In addition to cracking down on anonymity, there are proposed “red flags” that may trigger scrutiny from the FCC. Using a virtual office, or certain commercial addresses when asked for a physical address, operating a website or using an email address deemed suspicious, and not being traceable to the state claimed in the address provided.

Paying for phone service with cryptocurrency could also become an FCC red flag.

“By screening new and renewing customers, originating voice service providers are in the best position to prevent scammers and other bad actors from flooding telecommunications networks with illegal calls,” the FCC press release about the proposed rule change says.

The release lays much of the blame at the feet of telecom providers, saying “Commission rules already require originating providers to take ‘affirmative, effective’ measures to ‘know its customers,’ and ensure that its services are not used to originate illegal call traffic.” But it claims that some are “not doing enough,” and the result is “more illegal calls that defraud Americans and making it difficult to hold the criminals making these [callers] accountable.”

Consequently, the enforcement regime these rules would put in place is intriguing. Per Wiley Rein, it would be a fine of $2,500 per call, and against an offending telecom provider—not the customer making the calls. The FCC would basically be deputizing telecom companies as ID verifiers and scrutinizers of user behavior, and they would be highly motivated to crack down on their customers heavily, because $2,500 per call in a country with billions of robocalls per year could be devastating.
 
For the past several years if I answered a call and either heard the Skype "whoooop" connect sound or a single syllable of shitskin I hung up immediately.

This has never led me astray a single time. Not once.

Sometimes if I have nothing to do and I'm not in my office at work I just say the absolute most racist things I can think of or I'll speak back to them in a mocking Indian accent.

I'm through being polite. I don't care if these scammers are doing this intentionally or if they are being forced to be patsies against their will because their shithole countries are so corrupt that working at a scam call center is a viable business opportunity. I hate every single one of them.
 
I remember radio shack sold some thing to put into your phone that would give a signal that it was like fax machine or something that would cause robo callers to hang up.

oh yeah telezapper it would play the tones of this number is diconeceted and the robo dialer would drop the call.
 
I remember radio shack sold some thing to put into your phone that would give a signal that it was like fax machine or something that would cause robo callers to hang up.

oh yeah telezapper it would play the tones of this number is diconeceted and the robo dialer would drop the call.

I'm a turboautist that plays around with a personal PBX server. In a moment of desperation dealing with particularly stubborn spammers, I programmed it to play the old disconnect tone at spam calls. It did nothing to help.

Modern phone systems can tell if the other side answers the phone. If it were a true nonexistent number, they would get digital SIP "unable to connect" errors at the very start, not digital SIP "connection made" responses followed by analog disconnect tones played down the audio channel.
 
Could make every network involved jointly and severally responsible for the Do Not Call fee as a rebuttable presumption.

So if a customer recieves a spam call, the customer's telephone provider is the first-line responsible party for paying the fee unless they can identify an upstream source to rebut their liability.

Should keep peering survivable, and the chain of liability works its way back to whatever entry point needs to be secured.
Well, my cell phone carrier does seem to be trying. Most of the time the caller ID identifies the incoming as "Spam Call". Which is why its always annoying when the jeets manage to spoof a real person or organization.
 
Just kill the people doing it. Locate the call centers and destroy them with drone strikes and make sure to double tap to get any survivors. Designate the owners as high-value targets, find them with the CIA, fix them and kill them with Delta Force and Seal Team Six. Treat the whole thing like ISIS or the Maduro cartel. We're an empire but we don't fucking act like it
 
Well, my cell phone carrier does seem to be trying. Most of the time the caller ID identifies the incoming as "Spam Call". Which is why its always annoying when the jeets manage to spoof a real person or organization.
I had almost stopped answering to harass them but then a Suspicious Number actually ended up being a co-worker who was off in the boonies calling from his parents' land line about something to check while he was on vacation
so now I can't even trust the sus number declarations
Just kill the people doing it. Locate the call centers and destroy them with drone strikes and make sure to double tap to get any survivors. Designate the owners as high-value targets, find them with the CIA, fix them and kill them with Delta Force and Seal Team Six. Treat the whole thing like ISIS or the Maduro cartel. We're an empire but we don't fucking act like it
back in my day we'd come up with sketchy connections to "international terror"
 
I remember in like 2012 or so when my parents still had a landline it was fucking insanity it'd sometimes ring 3 or 4 times during Sunday dinner all of it complete junk. It's just not worth answering or declining calls anymore if you aren't expecting anything important. Most professionals leave voice mail. I've done that a while and now I only get a scammer once every couple of months.

IIRC, around now it is only about one third of Indians who have internet access. Which is still over 9000 500 million.
But surely those are the ones who aren't wealthy/educated enough to speak English, right?
 
This one?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=x1-xKbW8-DISkype connection sound - zarovka29

(I've never used "Skype" BTW.)
Sort of, that's the login sound. When a call connects via VOIP it plays like a half second "bloop" version of it. If you were in a group call you'd hear it when someone joined in, otherwise you'd also hear it if you answered a phone call that was made via Skype.
 
Like the rest of the thread says, scammers use VoIP spoofing. Burner phones and burner numbers are exactly how I keep spam calls away. If I'm forced to provide a phone number to anything that doesn't require my real life identity (everything except government, financial and work), I go to one of those online number rental sites and key those in. No more worries about data breaches. I get about one spam call a month (they try randomly generated numbers) and never pick up. I just let it run out so the spammer logs my number in the system as a bot or unused number. Picking up gets you logged as a real person and your number gets targeted for more calls.
 
This has less than nothing to do with stopping robocalls and it would not impact robocalls in the slightest. Its about comprehensively ending anonymous communication of any kind for most people. They only talk about robocalls to politically justify it to the masses.
 
Dealing with all the scam and spam calls at work is tiresome.
At the same time I can't be overtly racist to them because I don't want HR to get on my case of somebody overhears me
 
Honestly this could be mostly solved pretty simply. Levy a $5 per international VOIP call fee, and mandate that providers block VPNs and fix call spoofing under threat of a per-call fine. That alone would mostly kill the phone scam industry and would as a side benefit reduce the number of foreign call centers. Also, there is not some huge unsolvable issue inherent in the system that keeps telecom and ISP from ending the spoof problem, it's just more profitable for them to look the other way and not invest in fixing it. If you were to fine them as little as a few thousand per spoofed call they would suddenly figure out that the problem can be pretty much completely fixed within a week.

Sure, this would make it more expensive for foreigners and US tourists to call the US, but the fact that for the past 20 years probably 90% of the calls I've received on my cell phone are spam or scam calls is inexcusable. Indians will negrate this.
 
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I remember that, and then I remember when it got hacked. The problem there is that the FCC only has native jurisdiction in the US, and most of these scam centers are in countries that won't cooperate with American courts or regulatory agencies.
for a stretch I was dragging shit out and pretending to be old and confused, eventually I got the English speakers and after bouncing around for a minute one forgot to mute his phone and was running the jeet down about "this guy's on like, THREE do not call lists!"
not legal ones, the "this guy will waste your time intentionally" internal ones
 
Twice now I have gotten scam calls that appeared on my phone as if they originated from my bank's 1-800 number but it was just a scamming Indian on the other end.
I have a question about this.

How could you tell it was a scamming Indian who happened to NOT be from your bank? Scamming Indians and bank employees are not exactly mutually exclusive.
 
It really is infuriating though. I get a half dozen calls every day offering me personal loans and credit relief. The worst part is the fuckers know my name too thanks to Sony's piss poor data protection. I don't even pick up my phone anymore if I don't recognize the number.
Don't answer, and don't even hit ignore, just let it ring all the way through. I read that somewhere and have been doing it for the past year or so and I went from 3-4 a day to maybe 6 a month
so far best I've pulled off with harassing them is I got one to drop the hard R on me
I got one to tell me to jump off a roof, and I got a warning email from Amazon to stop using yelling at there jeettomer service. No I will not, deliver my shit on time so I don't have to call your sarrs or ban me. Idc which at this point.
Rangeban? Cut the fucking internet cables connecting India to the world.
WE could bring the entire world together for a few weeks of peace if we just nuked the entirety of India. I don't think there is a single country that would object.
 
I got one to tell me to jump off a roof, and I got a warning email from Amazon to stop using yelling at there jeettomer service. No I will not, deliver my shit on time so I don't have to call your sarrs or ban me. Idc which at this point.
I just do it to the ones who call me when I'm work
it annoys my wife so I can't do it at home, one time I'm like "oh hello saar" "I TOLD YOU TO STOP DOING THAT" "sorry, my wife says I can't play anymore, bye"
 
So burners are ridiculously labor intensive to get into from what I understand. Pay monero to a shady place for a digital sim for a phone you have to be prudent about where you use it. I could go to cricket, buy a phone and do a prepaid plan. They have no law saying they need to grab your id for it, Obama pushed for mandatory IDs but it didn't pass, but Cricket will ask for ID to be associated with the phone number. Its illegal to rotate IMEI numbers and finding a phone you can do it to is hard. Setting up an anonymous VOiP I don't know how to do because in the end you still need a SIP trunk provider. Essentially, bullshit is still pretty much banned as far as I can tell. There just isn't a lot of laws against it, just compliance.
 
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