Everything is Genghis Khan's Fault - Bloody Modern Day Russian Jerkoffery...

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I used to think that Putin was channeling Stalin, or, as much as he might hate to admit it, Hitler, with his conquer and exterminate the Ukrainians and Poles boner, but he's probably more inspired by Genghis Khan, whose lineage spread far and wide through the Steppes and the Far East. I am in thankful wonder that Putin hasn't tried to spread his genes beyond Russia, but I HAVE joked on the Farms that Wladmir Klitschko is his bastard kid... Hmm...
 
Genghis Khan, whose lineage spread far and wide through the Steppes and the Far East. I am in thankful wonder that Putin hasn't tried to spread his genes beyond Russia, but I HAVE joked on the Farms that Wladmir Klitschko is his bastard kid... Hmm...
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I used to think that Putin was channeling Stalin, or, as much as he might hate to admit it, Hitler, with his conquer and exterminate the Ukrainians and Poles boner, but he's probably more inspired by Genghis Khan, whose lineage spread far and wide through the Steppes and the Far East. I am in thankful wonder that Putin hasn't tried to spread his genes beyond Russia, but I HAVE joked on the Farms that Wladmir Klitschko is his bastard kid... Hmm...
Genghis Khan killed like 10% of the world's population and it allowed nature to retake some places and for trees to grow.

In this house, Genghis Khan was a hero.
 
Imagine still being butthurt over the Great Khan.

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I mean...at least when it comes to Russia, Genghis Khan is (indirectly, but unironically) at fault. Russia, being on the Easternmost fringe of Europe, actually  has developed into the ugly duckling among European states due to influence from nomadic steppe empires, and the Mongol Empire was the largest, most recent, and most influential among those. Its descendants ruled over parts of Russia until well into the Modern Period, and left an indelible mark on social and political structures.

They weren't the worst empire of the period to live under. Not by a long shot. Yes, they would wipe the Earth clean of your entire blighted civilization if you refused their demands or killed their messengers, but the first is just kind of what empires do, and the second was far from unique. You still don't fuck with diplomats, especially from a more powerful country, unless you want shit to get very real very quickly. It's codified as a war crime, even today, and in the 13th century the most common punishment for war crimes was to have your opponent play the reverse card in Atrocity Uno. Under the Mongols, you could still generally practice your own religion, you could go about life as your own culture saw fit, and you could even hope to attain a place in the Khanate's bureaucratic machinery without having to fully assimilate into Mongol culture (the Mongol conquerors were usually the ones who partially assimilated, actually, which is highly unusual). That last bit ended up being part of the problem, though. The Mongols were about as close as any real society can get to a pure expropriative empire, acting in a highly pragmatic way that may have left their subjects happier and freer than in most Absolutist Monarchies, but was ultimately geared solely toward extracting resources for the Khan and his inner circle. For the time, it was great that they didn't care who obtained those resources or how. Things became more troubling, though, when that extractive state apparatus was inherited by the Russ peoples.

Without going into too much detail, it's literally the same shit you see in the history of Post-Colonial states, only allowed to develop to its logical conclusion. That's actually not a unique hot take. Academic papers dealing honestly with the supposed economic and political race between the US and the USSR famously referred to the Soviet Union as, "Upper Volta [now Burkina Faso] with missiles", referring primarily to the country's poor economic state but also to its bizarre (by European standards) governmental apparatus. The pre-Mongol Russian states ranged from Despotism to a sort of Republicanism in their form of government. The Mongols wiped that slate clean. When an independent Russian state finally reemerged around a subordinate Russ power called the Dutchy of Moscow, it inherited structures intended to funnel power and income to the top, along with a culture of corruption and nepotism/favoritism that was fine in an extractive state (it actually helped to keep some money in Russian hands at that point) but grossly dysfunctional for an independent power attempting to build a similar form of government to its Western cousins. It's also probably a part of why the Russian Empire ended up expanding to roughly the scale of Mongolia and its successors, over mostly the same geographic expanse. It's still essentially a steppe empire centered around the conquest and exploitation of minorities in the republics. You even see the same tendency to trade land for time or military strategy during combat. There's plenty of land on the steppe, most of it uninhabited, so burning fields in the 14th century has just evolved into pulling stunts like the destruction of the Ukrainian dam at Nova Kakhovka in 2023.

Russian rulers have ranged in quality from so-called Enlightened Despots like Catherine the Great and Mikhail Gorbachev, to vicious tyrants like Ivan the Terrible and Joseph Stalin (not technically Russian, but very much within their sphere of cultural influence), to whatever the fuck was going on under the later, short-lived Soviet premiers during the Age of Stagnation and under Boris Yeltsen's drunk ass in the '90s. They've nearly all been pragmatic Absolutists focused on personal gain, though, with the partial exception of Gorbachev and maybe Yeltsin. None of them, no matter how hard they've tried, have managed to do jack shit about the country's entrenched corruption.

There are other factors involved as well, including some that developed along similar lines in parts of Eastern Europe that saw limited or no direct Mongol rule. These exceptions kind of prove the rule, though, because they were also generally subject to or influenced by cultures shaped by a separate steppe people. The Turkic-speaking Ottomans also originated in Central Asia, before followed the same odd route of cultural development as the Mongols and partially assimilating to the culture of the people (in this case, Arabic) that they conquered. We actually get the most commonly used name for the style of government practiced by the Khanates from the Ottoman Empire. It's a Sultanate, a government where state power and the personal property of the head of state/government have no meaningful distinction. Decades or centuries of rule under a Sultanate may not be the sole contributor to modern Russian Authoritarianism, but I would say that it was a necessary factor even if it wouldn't have been sufficient on its own. Everything Russia touches seems to turn to shit because of it, as well. Korean culture has an odd relationship with government, grounded in Confucian philosophies of Filial Piety. Present-day North Korea, however, is the only uncontroversial extant Sultanate. This may look superficially similar to historical East Asian states, but the comparison quickly breaks down once you start looking at the details. Even the connection to orthodox Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is mostly aesthetic, with Juche's odd concept of the Proletariat Vanguard being collapsed into a single person rather than a party having very little basis in traditional Korean political philosophy despite claims to the contrary. It's all just horseback warrior tomfuckery, but brought up to date with fighter jets, main battle tanks, SAWs, and thermonuclear physics packages tucked into multiple reentry vehicle warheads ready to be launched on a parabolic trajectory through space. Temjin would have loved that last one, if only he could have lived 700 years to see it 😢

TL;DR, Mongolia fucked Russia's shit up, to the point that we now we have two failed states waving nukes around and making unrealistic demands. These demands, which would have gotten their militaries ass-raped by the big black dick of industrial capacity had they pulled the same shit prior to August of 1949, now have to be taken seriously because they can just bring the roof down with them once they start losing. History is neat.
 
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TL;DR, Mongolia fucked Russia's shit up, to the point that we now we have two failed states waving nukes around and making unrealistic demands. These demands, which would have gotten their militaries ass-raped by the big black dick of industrial capacity had they pulled the same shit prior to August of 1949, now have to be taken seriously because they can just bring the roof down with them once they start losing. History is neat.
Tell me you watch Kraut without telling me you watch Kraut.
 
Tell me you watch Kraut without telling me you watch Kraut.
I'm...actually totally in the dark on this one, but I'd like to see their videos if they focus on topics like this. I've got a background in history and political science, and still love learning more about both.

I'm basing this on a few different sources. I'm pretty sure Francis Fukuyama's The Origins of Political Order mentions some of it, particularly in regard to the influemce of Ottoman Colonialism in Eastern Europe outside Russia. Others were the article describing the concept of a Sultanate as a form of Authoritarianism, a separate article attempting to define a type of Illiberal Democracy called Competitive Authoritarianism based on Putin's Russia, and a few books on the history of the Slavic peoples in general. One that I remember only vaguely from undergrad compared political and cultural development in Russia vs. Poland, and the influence of "Eastern Despotism" on the Russ. Not sure on the date, but that phrasing makes me think it's an older concept. There's a lot of shit from those that I left out to make a cleaner narrative, too, like Caesaropapism in the Eastern Churches and how that contributed to a basically non-existent divide between the private and public spheres, but Mongol influence was usually cited as the primary cause, with varying levels of sanity behind their reasoning.

Fun, tangentially related fact, Russia has the only large subnational administrative division in Europe (it's an ethnic republic called Kalmykia, on the Caspian Sea North of the Caucasus) where Buddhism is the majority religion and a Mongolic language is recognized as official. There's no direct connection to Mongolia, but it does show just how porous the borders are on the steppe.
 
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Some people appear to be upset Mongolia won
You joke, but a metric fuck ton of wars start over weird shit like this, done hundreds or even thousands of years ago by people with an incomprehensibly different worldview for reasons that became irrelevant lomg before the signing of the US Constitution. People get pissed off over some real or perceived wrong, this has enough of an impact for the anger to get passed down to the next generation, and the ensuing cycle of now-pointless bloodshed leads to centuries or even millennia of retaliatory conflict.

I actually wonder how much of Russia's discrimination against Asian-looking minorities (who tend to get it worse than European groups, who themselves are already being shit on) goes back to a hatred of steppe peoples born during the period before Russian independence. They still unironically call that period of subjugation "the Tatar Yoke". Not tremendously accurate given that the actual Tatars are not Mongolic in origin, but it's the same kind of multigenerational rage that you see when Irish people start in about the Norman invasion in the early 12th century.

To quote one of my wife's favorite songs -Face Down, by Red Jumpsuit Apparatus - "Every pebble in the water makes a ripple effect. Every action in this world has a consequence. If you wade around forever you will surely drown, I kinda like watching Wagner fags turn to pink mist, because multigenerational trauma associated with war crimes gave my soul the Nurgle Rot, and I'm aware that Wagner is tearing apart families/severely, irreparably damaging children from Bangui to Transnistria". It's been awhile since I've heard it, I personally prefer Lord Huron, but I'm 90% sure those are the correct lyrics. It's just like the Bounty Hunter Bloods and Grape Street Crips, just legitimized by state authority. You took out a hit on one of ours back in the mid-1980s, we did a drive by on one of yours, you whacked one of ours at a club in South Central, so now we're chucking molotovs in your shitty public housing. Having more guns does not, in fact, make irrational, pointless bloodshed done in the name of your bank account more morally acceptable, or less self-destructive in the long run. It just means that anybody telling you off has to speak through the barrel of a howitzer, which escalates things further until you finally hit the point where you're altering geography for the sake of revenge, with no justifying tactical or strategic benefit, by destroying a hydroelectric plant and emptying a gigantic reservoir that you nominally own.
 
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I'm...actually totally in the dark on this one, but I'd like to see their videos if they focus on topics like this. I've got a background in history and political science, and still love learning more about both.

I'm basing this on a few different sources. I'm pretty sure Francis Fukuyama's The Origins of Political Order mentions some of it, particularly in regard to the influemce of Ottoman Colonialism in Eastern Europe outside Russia. Others were the article describing the concept of a Sultanate as a form of Authoritarianism, a separate article attempting to define a type of Illiberal Democracy called Competitive Authoritarianism based on Putin's Russia, and a few books on the history of the Slavic peoples in general. One that I remember only vaguely from undergrad compared political and cultural development in Russia vs. Poland, and the influence of "Eastern Despotism" on the Russ. Not sure on the date, but that phrasing makes me think it's an older concept. There's a lot of shit from those that I left out to make a cleaner narrative, too, like Caesaropapism in the Eastern Churches and how that contributed to a basically non-existent divide between the private and public spheres, but Mongol influence was usually cited as the primary cause, with varying levels of sanity behind their reasoning.

Fun, tangentially related fact, Russia has the only large subnational administrative division in Europe (it's an ethnic republic called Kalmykia, on the Caspian Sea North of the Caucasus) where Buddhism is the majority religion and a Mongolic language is recognized as official. There's no direct connection to Mongolia, but it does show just how porous the borders are on the steppe.
To save a long tanget, Fukuyama end of history-ism is the holy grail of neoliberalism and has been used to otherize Russia since at least the Crimean War, i.e those unwashed Mongol Asiatics vs the sophisticated and civilized Western powers. The Eastern Despotism point has been tackled well here. The original video by our very own Kraut "pregnant trouts" & Tea is here.
 
To save a long tanget, Fukuyama end of history-ism is the holy grail of neoliberalism and has been used to otherize Russia since at least the Crimean War...

I thought about bringing up Fukuyama's long history of abusing theoretical models from Hegelianism to Neorealism in order to be as confidently wrong as humanly possible, but that kind of begs to be turned into an essay about lobbyists and propaganda in this context. Origins of Political Order, Vol. 1 is a rare example of Fukuyama letting the mask slip and revealing that he does, in fact, know how to do a proper multidisciplinary analysis incorporating history and anthropology alongside mainstream models of state development and international relations. It's not perfect, but the Neoliberal Neoconservative bullshit so prominent in most of his writing is almost entirely absent.



My guess is that he wanted to write at least one major work that would leave a legacy in mainstream social science after years of riding the New American Century's dick and spinning out garbage for pseudo-intellectual MBAs who think they're real academics because the Netherlands lets them call themselves  doctorandus. It's not actually "leave a legacy" good - it's overambitious, overly long, and the second volume has a lot more issues, but its descriptions of state development aren't awful. Most of the Orientalist approach you typically see in his work on China and Russia is either downplayed or absent. The "Eastern Despotism" thing was in a different book this time.



The original video by our very own Kraut "pregnant trouts" & Tea is here.


Possibly a new favorite channel now, although Flesh Simulator will be hard to overtake. Thank you for that. My inner Autist is stimming very happily right now.
 
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