Evergreen, 3 Years Post Meltdown

Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying recount the Maoist uprising at Evergreen State College 3 years after the fact.

Recount tales of students armed with baseball bats destroying the campus, attacks on students, transformation of the College from institute of higher learning to fortress of social activism.

One of the things they talk about is how serious professors were keeping their heads down on campus, trying to ignore what was happening. Cautionary tale of allowing Leftist thugs to go unchecked.

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

Meh, the real entertainment out of evergreen all came from Benjamin Boyce or PSA Sitch. Boyce really gets into the fucked up administration drama and his exposé Evergreen is p mich required viewing to understand how TESC ended up where it is today. Bret Weinstein has yet to produce quite as much quality Content about TESC despite being a figure in one of the major controversies

Also, just because this is god-tier viewing:

 

[Thorvald Stauning]

It was not true maoism, if it was she would not be alive right now.

 

[Spiteful Crow]

I copied the audio. It looks like they're just sitting at a desk so cutting the video didn't really hurt anything.

Seems pretty interesting so far

 

[Maggots on a Train v2]

I watched the full first hour part because I wanted to give the guy a fair shake. He took forever to say not a lot, but I do think he genuinely cared about his students. He made the point at the very end that the faculty who provoked the shitstorm were also the same people who were the first to shit talk about students in private. And the protesters were specifically assmad about the science department. The mob called one of his black~ish biracial students a piece of shit for studying science.

Fits in nicely with the idea that postmodern jibber jabber is just a way for pseudo-intellectuals to create impenetrable walls of word salad, because that's all science is to them.

 

[Too Many Catgirls]

Neat, this sounds interesting. The guy always told his story pretty well and it was also a genuinely intriguing series of events.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Meh, the real entertainment out of evergreen all came from Benjamin Boyce or PSA Sitch. Boyce really gets into the fucked up administration drama and his exposé Evergreen is p mich required viewing to understand how TESC ended up where it is today. Bret Weinstein has yet to produce quite as much quality Content about TESC despite being a figure in one of the major controversies

Also, just because this is god-tier viewing:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cLs6jxak7hE

From what I remember, the funniest thing to come out of Evergreen besides the wheelchair guy mad at a Limp Bizkit fan was that it resulted in this photo (context, this gang was running around campus enacting "justice"):

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

From what I remember, the funniest thing to come out of Evergreen besides the wheelchair guy mad at a Limp Bizkit fan was that it resulted in this photo (context, this gang was running around campus enacting "justice"):
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Oh, yeah that's the kino shit. These motherfuckers in this pic unironically think this has aged well, and will age well. Meanwhile TESC, rather righteously, is going clean to financial hell.

 

[2021Murder]

Oh, yeah that's the kino shit. These motherfuckers in this pic unironically think this has aged well, and will age well. Meanwhile TESC, rather righteously, is going clean to financial hell.

you sure? i thought evergreen and Mizzou are both back to where they were pre-scandal.

 

[The Beer Padawan]

you sure? i thought evergreen and Mizzou are both back to where they were pre-scandal.

Apparently not
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...ogress-but-its-enrollment-is-still-shrinking/

"Now, 180 students are learning skills such as how to study, how to stay healthy and how to find on-campus help with financial aid or registering for classes. Next fall the college plans to offer the course to all first-year students. "

I didn't realize TESC was a school for exceptional children.

 

[AJneedsElocution]

Apparently not
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...ogress-but-its-enrollment-is-still-shrinking/

this quote from that article is fucking gold

This year’s student body includes 750 new undergrads, which had been the college’s goal. Kaiser said meeting that is a sign the decline may be slowing.

More good news: There was an uptick in the number of applications from prospective students from outside of Washington, a sign new marketing efforts may be working. Those could have a significant payoff: Out-of-state students pay more than three times the tuition rate for residents.

The bad news: There was a drop in nonresident enrollment this fall, meaning all that interest didn’t translate to more students. Now, about 83 percent of Evergreen students come from Washington state

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

you sure? i thought evergreen and Mizzou are both back to where they were pre-scandal.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/washington/articles/2019-12-28/enrollment-drops-evergreen-state-changes-academic-programs

Evergreen’s enrollment has since plummeted about 27%, to 2,854 students this fall from just over 3,900 students in 2017.

Yea, pretty sure.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

I didn't realize TESC was a school for exceptional children.

You didn't?

It is some hippy-dippy experiment school with no strict internal structure for classes and grades. Students just go there and free study what they want and some adult checks in on them every now and then to make sure they aren't eating the paste.

It's where parents with money sent their dumber children who couldn't get into any of the other state colleges because they couldn't score above 900 on the SAT. Their family reputation would be tarnished if Slow Sally never went to college! So they bought her a degree in Liberal Arts from ~Finding Myself~ University.

It's always been a fucking joke and this should have been the event that ended the "experiment" and taken it off the taxpayers hands.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Evergreen has not seen an increase in enrollment.

Evergreen State College Could Be Facing Bankruptcy Soon

https://archive.is/lIn3L

The same administrator showed a graph of projected enrollment which, for reasons I can only guess, predicted enrollment would eventually level off around 2,400 students. The problem as he explained is that “stability is not the same as sustainability.” He continued, “This level of enrollment is not adequate to support a campus this size.”

There's an associated video, there's a lot of people telling themselves reality doesn't matter much because we're doing the right thing. Sweet Briar College was in better fiscal shape than Evergreen currently is, and they chose to close.

I was at Evergreen for an event in 2019, we used former academic buildings and residence halls that are now being rented to the public. Did a lot of walking around, my impression was about half the campus is no longer in use by students.

And Olympia has turned into Soweto. Garbage everywhere, streets unmaintained, abandoned houses going to rot, addicts defecating in the street, posters everywhere telling you what to do with your whiteness and privilege. Genuinely felt like the third world.

 

[Kosher Dill]

Boyce really gets into the fucked up administration drama and his exposé Evergreen is p mich required viewing to understand how TESC ended up where it is today.

Can you recommend a specific video?

 

[rocknrollmartian]

This makes me wonder what's going to happen to the UCs in California that are doing away with SAT/ACT scores as an application requirement. I have a feeling a lot of the best students are going to have to go private or leave CA for college altogether. The STEM programs at California public universities will surely tank if the majority of the students are accepted not because of academic standards but because they are POC, genderspecial, or handicapped freaks who are terrified of the basic high school math on the SAT. (N.B. Anyone who's legitimately qualified to pursue a STEM degree should be able to score decently on the SAT without a problem.)

Instead of learning from this disaster, we're looking at a lot of future Evergreen States imo. I truly feel bad for the talented, brilliant, hardworking kids who these schools repeatedly shit upon and accuse of "privilege." There are thousands of complete morons in college undeservedly sucking up grants and resources.

tl,dr: Even post-corona, China and its academic rigor are still winning.

 

[Papa Adolfo's Take'n'Bake]

Can you recommend a specific video?

Depends on what part of TESC lolcowdom yku want to see

For why evergreen is not an educational institution here's the start of a two parter that really shows you how from an educational administration pov, they are cometely FUBAR:

And

For how incredibly unaccountable they are:

For coverage on how the admins literally covered for the main agitator of the protests that made evergreen famous (my absolute favourite saga):

(lol SOY was in the youtube link /lol)

Trigger warning: worst art house shit you have EVER SEEN:

And finally:

 

[Ivan Shatov]

This makes me wonder what's going to happen to the UCs in California that are doing away with SAT/ACT scores as an application requirement. I have a feeling a lot of the best students are going to have to go private or leave CA for college altogether. The STEM programs at California public universities will surely tank if the majority of the students are accepted not because of academic standards but because they are POC, genderspecial, or handicapped freaks who are terrified of the basic high school math on the SAT. (N.B. Anyone who's legitimately qualified to pursue a STEM degree should be able to score decently on the SAT without a problem.)

Instead of learning from this disaster, we're looking at a lot of future Evergreen States imo. I truly feel bad for the talented, brilliant, hardworking kids who these schools repeatedly shit upon and accuse of "privilege." There are thousands of complete morons in college undeservedly sucking up grants and resources.

tl,dr: Even post-corona, China and its academic rigor are still winning.

Here's the thing about eliminating entrance requirements: you get the students who would traditionally be excluded from higher education.

You know, the ones who really can't handle the work, who would enjoy partying, who are easily recruited by activist groups, who are going to have emotional issues because they can't handle the stress of a pursuit they are not intellectually equipped for, who are going to commit serious crimes, the ones who are a little bit off and just don't have anything better to do than accumulate debt with an institution that doesn't actually cater to their needs.

It's true there will be some students who don't fit any of those descriptions. But you only need a small group of crazies to completely disrupt the operations of a university. Let's say admissions are 97-3 in favor of those who are there in good faith. The 3% - if they're organized - that's all you need to shut down a school.

Colleges will try to adapt to the needs of the vocal ones in the name of inclusiveness and diversity, transforming the educational experience to suit the lowest common denominator. Tossing some really bright and gifted one out along the way for the crime of speaking up about the disfunction.

Disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Gar For Archer]

This makes me wonder what's going to happen to the UCs in California that are doing away with SAT/ACT scores as an application requirement. I have a feeling a lot of the best students are going to have to go private or leave CA for college altogether. The STEM programs at California public universities will surely tank if the majority of the students are accepted not because of academic standards but because they are POC, genderspecial, or handicapped freaks who are terrified of the basic high school math on the SAT. (N.B. Anyone who's legitimately qualified to pursue a STEM degree should be able to score decently on the SAT without a problem.)

Instead of learning from this disaster, we're looking at a lot of future Evergreen States imo. I truly feel bad for the talented, brilliant, hardworking kids who these schools repeatedly shit upon and accuse of "privilege." There are thousands of complete morons in college undeservedly sucking up grants and resources.

tl,dr: Even post-corona, China and its academic rigor are still winning.

Honestly, for engineering schools, SAT’s (and GPA) are probably the least important factor of your overall package - having a high SAT score (~2350+ back when I was applying to college) merely buys you a ticket to the lottery, it’s your essays/extracurriculars/etc. that really determine your chances.

All this will do is make the job a bit harder for admissions, since now they’ll have to sort through more applications without the SAT’s acting as a filter. Unless it’s combined with a looser admissions process that focuses on shit with no bearing to engineering AND a weakening of standards within the engineering program itself (...which is certainly not impossible), merely ignoring SAT scores on its own I don’t think would have a huge effect on UC engineering programs.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

Honestly, for engineering schools, SAT’s (and GPA) are probably the least important factor of your overall package - having a high SAT score (~2350+ back when I was applying to college) merely buys you a ticket to the lottery, it’s your essays/extracurriculars/etc. that really determine your chances.

All this will do is make the job a bit harder for admissions, since now they’ll have to sort through more applications without the SAT’s acting as a filter. Unless it’s combined with a looser admissions process that focuses on shit with no bearing to engineering AND a weakening of standards within the engineering program itself (...which is certainly not impossible), merely ignoring SAT scores on its own I don’t think would have a huge effect on UC engineering programs.

I guess my point is that some sort of filter is necessary and germane. Further, what other kind of standards can engineering programs go on when public high schools have wildly varying grading scales, rampant grade inflation, and differing expectations, e.g. a student can get an A in calculus if the teacher gives participation points and extra credit while at another school that student would be struggling to get a B or even a C. I find it completely disingenuous for these colleges to suggest that the current iteration of the SAT, which actually is a content-based test now more than ever, isn't useful for admissions. They're actually getting rid of it because Asian and white--and male--students are consistently the highest scorers.

I truly believe that anyone who's capable of studying high-level engineering should be able to score at least 650 (realistically 700+ or even a perfect score for the big guns like MIT and Caltech) on the SAT math and shouldn't mind taking it as a formality to determine baseline comprehension and ability.

This article with a hot take from Georgia Tech of all places is sobering. These SJW ideologues say that "weed-out classes" are unfair and too rigorous: "'We need to wash out the 'weed-them-out orientation' in the classroom,' says Mary Fox, co-director at the Center for Study of Women, Science and Technology at Georgia Tech. 'That is not a hospitable climate for students, we have to teach students to move along rather than have them sink or swim.'" It's really worrisome tbh. Lower standards are definitely not the answer, but I think they're imminent if school culture says that testing is meaningless or that STEM should care about identity over skill and aptitude.