Ever hear any anime "urban legends" growing up?

[skykiii]

It's from episodes 101-105 (I forget which one, IIRC 103 or 104).

Those episodes form a nasty series finale arc (which were skipped by BOTH dubs of the series due to the content) that was the stuff of legends growing up; a gory, violent fucked up ending where Katze turns out to be a hermaphrodite/trans that involuntarily changes from male to female every year, Joe finding out he's dying, Joe getting tortured in graphic fashion when he tries to suicide run Katze rather than die in a hospital bed, and and Katze an-heroing himself when his master betrays him and the vague ending and pointing out that in the end he was a transgender freak not future ruler of the world as he kills himself, with it implying Joe may or may not have died.

While we're on the topic of Gatchaman, there's something I want to know.

See, in the US the show got two home video releases: one by ADV And a later one (both DVD and bluray) by Sentai Filmworks.

Thing is the ADV version came in box sets sort of like their Robotech Legacy releases, where they'd have two volumes of episodes and then a third disc of bonus features, which apparently even included scans of the original Gatchaman manga.

What I always wondered is this:

One, does the later Sentai Filmworks release maintain the special features?

Two, is the manga actually different from the anime?

I remember when the Speed Racer manga came out in English, I was kinda shocked that it basically read like a first draft of the anime, even ending kind of abruptly (and one race featured Speed having to drive around a fire creature.... which kinda made sense of how later incarnations always introduced weird paranormal or sci-fi elements).

There were numerous people not just being hyperbolic, or even speculating but outright stating as a fact that they'd heard from somebody who'd heard from somebody that the makers of the two-episode OVA Dragon Half animation were indeed "on drugs" when they produced it and the director and/or members of the staff or the creator of the manga was arrested for drugs which in turn led to the OVA adaption being limited to two eps.. My understanding is that the then-president of Kadokawa Shoten, was sent to jail for possession of cocaine, although whether he did any "real" time is in doubt, but something narcotics-related caused a reshuffling at the top of Kadokawa.

In the end it was just another case of an 90s-era OVA series not having enough sales to continue the series to completion.

If people thought Dragon Half was made on drugs, what must they have thought of Elf Princess Rane?

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

It's from episodes 101-105 (I forget which one, IIRC 103 or 104).

Those episodes form a nasty series finale arc (which were skipped by BOTH dubs of the series due to the content) that was the stuff of legends growing up; a gory, violent fucked up ending where Katze turns out to be a hermaphrodite/trans that involuntarily changes from male to female every year, Joe finding out he's dying, Joe getting tortured in graphic fashion when he tries to suicide run Katze rather than die in a hospital bed, and and Katze an-heroing himself when his master betrays him and the vague ending and pointing out that in the end he was a transgender freak not future ruler of the world as he kills himself, with it implying Joe may or may not have died.

http://www.gatchfanfic.com/viewstory.php?sid=1267&textsize=0&chapter=2

http://www.gatchfanfic.com/viewstory.php?sid=1269&textsize=0&chapter=1

Think I found it. He gets beat up (?) also injected it looks like

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

I mean, it's a show for little girls, I can't see why it would have nudity. It wasn't even really that believable when I was a kid.

Naruto targeted boys around the same age as Sailor Moon's target audience. One of the early episodes has Naruto turn into a naked lady. Her fun parts are censored by clouds, but still. Naruto teaches a 5 year old how to do it a few episodes later.

 

[RX-78]

I totally forgot about that. Wasn't it a fan manga or something?

Yes and no: the infamous silver super saiyan that everyone assumed was ss5 Goku was just a Spaniard's OC and the artist had gotten very close to pulling off Toei's GT style, complete with including the AF logo in the corner. Because it was 2000, this took off like like a rocket and it wasn't until years later that the mess was sorted out.

Japanese fans would catch wind of this around the same time as the Americans, and one ambitious artist by the name of Toyble took it on himself to use the name for his own project around 2008 or so. It was...definitely a fan sequel, but Toyble was slowly able to get closer and closer to Toriyama's style (at least in terms of character design, not action panels) until Bamco headhunted him to draw the Dragon Ball Heroes arcade game manga in around 2010. Fans were jonsing for any space monkey material at this point and readership took off, leading to Toyble to ditch his pen name and work on the official Super manga under his family name of Toyotaro.

Never give up on your passion projects kids, as long as you are determined you to can become an anti-chris chan like Toyotaro and Ian Flynn.

There were numerous people not just being hyperbolic, or even speculating but outright stating as a fact that they'd heard from somebody who'd heard from somebody that the makers of the two-episode OVA Dragon Half animation were indeed "on drugs" when they produced it and the director and/or members of the staff or the creator of the manga was arrested for drugs which in turn led to the OVA adaption being limited to two eps.. My understanding is that the then-president of Kadokawa Shoten, was sent to jail for possession of cocaine, although whether he did any "real" time is in doubt, but something narcotics-related caused a reshuffling at the top of Kadokawa.

In the end it was just another case of an 90s-era OVA series not having enough sales to continue the series to completion.

Kinda, Dragon-Half is infamous for having countless vidya homages and this would prevent a lengthy adaptation from being made. Mario, Peach, and Link are main adult characters and one arc has the girls effectively wander into Castlevania and befriend two hapless Belmonts.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I mean, it's a show for little girls, I can't see why it would have nudity. It wasn't even really that believable when I was a kid.

Nudity is mostly reserved for bathing scenes and transformation sequences (albeit with those, more like Barbie doll anatomy compared to magical girls shows aimed at a male demographic). However, something like Cutey Honey which is a fanservice-heavy series where Honey is not ashamed in getting naked is actually popular with girls, and that may be why nudity can just so happen in girls' shows, too.

It's worth pointing out the original Cutey Honey aired at 8:30 Saturday nights, and Cutey Honey F aired at Saturday nights at 7. Those are hours the family's eating dinner and the TV's on across the room, and of course parents complained (it's Go Nagai). This is also why Evangelion was infamous its first airing, it aired Wednesday evenings at 6:30 for entire families to watch and be traumatized over together.

 

[Enig]

I remember another story from the Sub vs Dub days on Usenet.

There would always be some claim that the original manga creator of the anime totally said that the English dub is awesome and better than the Japanese version. This was said for several different titles, but I only specifically remember "You're Under Arrest" being mentioned.

I would ask for proof of where this was said and I'd usually get no answer or some really vague one about being in some magazine, but they can't remember which.

Funny enough this was verified with both Cowboy Bebop and Metal Gear Solid so it's not entirely untrue

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Cutey Honey F aired at Saturday nights at 7

iirc it got Sailor Moon's old slot after Stars ended (and has most of the staff and looks suspiciously like Sailor Stars But It's Cutey Honey)

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

The AIDS PSA that Tiffany Grant and Spike Spencer did where it’s basically Shinji and Asuka fucking. Tiffany dug up the tape and released it in like 2020. It wasn’t really an urban legend to me because the person who told me about it wouldn’t bullshit. But he also said the tape was probably thrown in the garbage at some point, which turned out to be false.

 

[Grub]

Nudity is mostly reserved for bathing scenes and transformation sequences (albeit with those, more like Barbie doll anatomy compared to magical girls shows aimed at a male demographic). However, something like Cutey Honey which is a fanservice-heavy series where Honey is not ashamed in getting naked is actually popular with girls, and that may be why nudity can just so happen in girls' shows, too.
It's worth pointing out the original Cutey Honey aired at 8:30 Saturday nights, and Cutey Honey F aired at Saturday nights at 7. Those are hours the family's eating dinner and the TV's on across the room, and of course parents complained (it's Go Nagai). This is also why Evangelion was infamous its first airing, it aired Wednesday evenings at 6:30 for entire families to watch and be traumatized over together.

I get there's a lot of people on kiwi farms who are knowledgeable about the nuances of nudity in Japanese cartoons and want to leap in at a moment's notice to share that knowledge but I really don't care.

Also, you're now the second person to mention this cutey honey shit to me. I have no idea what it even is and I don't care what it is or what time it aired on TV at.

 

[skykiii]

I get there's a lot of people on kiwi farms who are knowledgeable about the nuances of nudity in Japanese cartoons and want to leap in at a moment's notice to share that knowledge but I really don't care.

Yeah, knowing it happens is one thing, but having an obsessive knowledge of it is just kinda weird. I myself tend to only remember cases I saw like, just a few days ago because little girl tiddies are not something I want in my memory banks.

Also, you're now the second person to mention this cutey honey shit to me. I have no idea what it even is and I don't care what it is or what time it aired on TV at.

The sad thing is Cutey Honey is actually pretty good, but all anyone ever remembers about it is the fanservice.

The OP is a banger (this is the OVA version but its basically the same as the 1970s original) just.... might close your eyes.

The basic plot could easily be your standard superhero (she's a crime-fighting android with a lightsaber and disguise abilities) if not for the fanservice.

This is also why Evangelion was infamous its first airing, it aired Wednesday evenings at 6:30 for entire families to watch and be traumatized over together.

That sounds PERFECT for family bonding! Their trauma brings them together!

 

[Grub]

Yeah, knowing it happens is one thing, but having an obsessive knowledge of it is just kinda weird. I myself tend to only remember cases I saw like, just a few days ago because little girl tiddies are not something I want in my memory banks.


The sad thing is Cutey Honey is actually pretty good, but all anyone ever remembers about it is the fanservice.

The OP is a banger (this is the OVA version but its basically the same as the 1970s original) just.... might close your eyes.

The basic plot could easily be your standard superhero (she's a crime-fighting android with a lightsaber and disguise abilities) if not for the fanservice.

I'm struggling to understand what part of 'I don't care' means 'continue autistically sperging at me about your laser sword titty robot cartoons'.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I'm struggling to understand what part of 'I don't care' means 'continue autistically sperging at me about your laser sword titty robot cartoons'.

there's also live action version

https://archive.org/details/cutie-honey-the-live

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Madlax had most of its plot from the writers getting drunk on sake

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

I totally forgot about that. Wasn't it a fan manga or something?

Toyotarou (the current Dragon Ball Super mangaka) was the artist Toyble, who did the Dragon Ball AF doujinshi's in the 00's. Speaking of turn of the millennium DBZ rumours, remember when Fox got the rights to make a live action film in the 2000's, and this fake poster dropped on various anime forums.

Stone Cold Steve Austin had signed on as Nappa, and Ray Park was going to be Vegeta! Also, the teaser trailer for the DBZ film was going to be shown during Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. Ah, those were the days!

 

[Grub]

Toyotarou (the current Dragon Ball Super mangaka) was the artist Toyble, who did the Dragon Ball AF doujinshi's in the 00's. Speaking of turn of the millennium DBZ rumours, remember when Fox got the rights to make a live action film in the 2000's, and this fake poster dropped on various anime forums.
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Stone Cold Steve Austin had signed on as Nappa, and Ray Park was going to be Vegeta! Also, the teaser trailer for the DBZ film was going to be shown during Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. Ah, those were the days!

I don't remember the poster but I do remember the speculation when fox got the movie rights. Too bad it ended up becoming that failed abortion of a movie.

 

[skykiii]

I don't remember the poster but I do remember the speculation when fox got the movie rights. Too bad it ended up becoming that failed abortion of a movie.

Wasn't there also rumors of an American-made Sailor Moon movie?

(And I mean a movie, not that animated series Saban almost made)

 

[Grub]

Wasn't there also rumors of an American-made Sailor Moon movie?

(And I mean a movie, not that animated series Saban almost made)

I have no idea I never watched it or kept up with rumours or news about it because I was never a little girl. The only reason I even really know about the show is because my little sister watched it.

 

[MirrorNoir]

There was a lot of talks about Sailor Moon getting a movie or a CW type TV show but it never happened, as Toei was gearing up to make their own live action Sailor Moon were going cray-cray and as I mentioned in an earlier post, they were in a pissing match with Sailor Moon's creator over the project and them jewing her out of royalties. Which led to them banning Sailor Moon outside of SE Asia while at the same time, pushing live action Sailor Moon in SE Asia as part of a convoluted scheme to cut the series creator out of getting money from the franchise.

 

[The Token Ethnic]

See, in the US the show got two home video releases: one by ADV And a later one (both DVD and bluray) by Sentai Filmworks.

Thing is the ADV version came in box sets sort of like their Robotech Legacy releases, where they'd have two volumes of episodes and then a third disc of bonus features, which apparently even included scans of the original Gatchaman manga.

What I always wondered is this:

One, does the later Sentai Filmworks release maintain the special features?

Since Sentai is basically a rebranded version of AD Vision, it has most of the special features such as the commentaries, galleries and auditions. Most of the footage is older material in standard definition that has unfortunately been stretched to full screen. Also, there are no Gatchaman karaoke episodes on the blu-ray. Not a big loss, since it was just an episode with isolated music and sound effects with no voiceover acting. You'd have subtitles available to do the dubbing yourself.

 

[skykiii]

Since Sentai is basically a rebranded version of AD Vision, it has most of the special features such as the commentaries, galleries and auditions. Most of the footage is older material in standard definition that has unfortunately been stretched to full screen. Also, there are no Gatchaman karaoke episodes on the blu-ray. Not a big loss, since it was just an episode with isolated music and sound effects with no voiceover acting. You'd have subtitles available to do the dubbing yourself.

I'm confused about when you say "its unfortunately been stretched." Do you mean its one of those lame releases that tries to make a 4:3 show into 16:9 by just stretching the image sideways? Or is it only for the special features?

And was there indeed ever a scan of the Gatchaman manga? Or for that matter, ever a Gatchaman manga at all?