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Hey Johnny Bravo dijo:
Isn't the EU parliament made up almost entirely of old commies from the Cold War?
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They had Merkel, but she’s gone. They have quite a few people from the Green party that made Germany dismantle their nuclear power plants which was a really stupid thing to do. Now, the country is mining lots of coal to fuel its energy needs.
 
This is horrible! European governments that are trying to do something about illegal immigration (it’s what their voters desperately want) are being cock-blocked by the EU. A gaggle of Leftist political hacks in Brussels and Leftist judges across the Union are actively disenfranchising voters.

There is only 1 solution: European nations that truly care about their futures MUST leave the EU.

https://youtu.be/pqVocCVkIPI

(For some reason, no sites were able to convert the video properly)

 
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This is horrible! European governments that are trying to do something about illegal immigration (it’s what their voters desperately want) are being cock-blocked by the EU. A gaggle of Leftist political hacks in Brussels and Leftist judges across the Union are actively disenfranchising voters.

There is only 1 solution: European nations that truly care about their futures MUST leave the EU.

https://youtu.be/pqVocCVkIPI

(For some reason, no sites were able to convert the video properly)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=pqVocCVkIPI
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That's definitely not the plan or the direction everything is going.
It's going to be multinational-multilanguage state union, or just the European union. The EU just isn't fully built yet.
Though importing dumb niggers is still a pretty poor decision for the elites to be making simply because our laws and punishments are a joke to them, back home they would be flaggelated or executed. Here they'll receive some dumb due process. Even in the countries where there is a lot less D.I.E bullshit, the process is still a joke in comparison to what they would get back home.
 
Quindoll dijo:
Care to back that up?
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Electricity production is usually between 30% and 50% coal, sometimes more, sometimes less.
We got an ever-increasing capacity of renewables, but well, they're volatile, so gas and coal power plants need to be synched to the grid to provide backup. Storage capacities are still orders of magnitude below what's needed and the grid isn't flexible enough to properly distribute the huge fluctuations from the low-industry but high wind-production north to the demanding industry and very fluctuating solar industry of the south.
Additionally, to force a renewables boom, the government forces fixed prices for renewables, i.e. anyone bringin renewable power to the grid will always be paid a fixed rate, regardless of market prices. That results in the market prices in times of massive excess production to be negative, but the power producers are still getting paid, with the difference being paid out of the taxpayers' pockets. This basically results in additional costs of around 20 billion euros per year, rising by a billion per year.
The renewables having priority for being fed into the grid also means that conventional power plants have to run as uneconomical as possible, constantly ramping power to follow the grid demands. Particularly coal power plants don't ramp all that well and can't go below a certain level, either, so they just kinda need to run constantly, meaning our CO2 emissions are stuck at a certain level that is quite frankly terrible compared to the amount of money we're throwing at this shit.
Note that 20 billion per year (just in EEG payments, in addition to lots of other costs like storage, grid extension and control, and R&D) to push our CO2 emissions (which are the main focus of practically everything these days) to barely scratch 200g/kWh at the best of times is seen as a necessary and totally reasonable, but a modern nuclear power plant costing 15 billion FOAK is totally too much.
It's kinda funny, isn't it? Germany, average in September, emitted 308 gCO2eq/kWh, 70% low carbon and 65% renewables. France only had 28% renewables, but 98% low carbon and emitted at 25 gCO2eq/kWh. But Germany pats itself on the back that it's tackling the decarbonisation goals correctly.
Sorry for the rant, but this country is beyond retarded and frankly beyond saving, and I can't wait for the grand collapse of everything.
 
Meriasek dijo:
Electricity production is usually between 30% and 50% coal, sometimes more, sometimes less.
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My quote of the post is kinda bad. Sorry for that. The important context is:

"They have quite a few people from the Green party that made Germany dismantle their nuclear power plants which was a really stupid thing to do. Now, the country is mining lots of coal to fuel its energy needs."

Nuclear down therefore coal up. When in reality coal and nuclear went way down:
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It is a take I often read and it's just wrong. And I really start to wonder where it's coming from.

Meriasek dijo:
Note that 20 billion per year (just in EEG payments, in addition to lots of other costs like storage, grid extension and control, and R&D) to push our CO2 emissions (which are the main focus of practically everything these days) to barely scratch 200g/kWh at the best of times is seen as a necessary and totally reasonable,
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There are a few points. Some of the costs will occur anyway. You need to expand the grid if you want to decarbonise. The demand of EVs and heatpumps will force those expansions. I am also missing a very important aspect here. What about savings? Germany produces around 200 TWh by wind and solar in the previous year and will probably do the same this year too. Was that electricity generated out of thin air and love beforehand? Of course not.

Just an example with gas since I have trouble finding decent costs for coal. The current price for EU Natural Gas TTF is around 40 Euro per MWh.

40,000 per GWh
40,000,000 per TWh / multiplied by the 200 TWh

=> 8,000,000,000

A modern gas power plant has around an efficiency of 50 % for electricity generation. So you end up with

16,000,000,000 Euro

That's a decent sum of money and only involved the gas purchased. No infrastructure, no salaries, no grid extensions, no health benefits though cleaner air, not the eventual costs of political happenings and so on. Though you can increase the efficiency with district heating but that is also coming with it's own costs.

In short: It's complicated. Just throwing in a number and doomposting isn't suitable for a complex topic.

Meriasek dijo:
It's kinda funny, isn't it? Germany, average in September, emitted 308 gCO2eq/kWh, 70% low carbon and 65% renewables. France only had 28% renewables, but 98% low carbon and emitted at 25 gCO2eq/kWh. But Germany pats itself on the back that it's tackling the decarbonisation goals correctly.
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1. Comparing power grids one on one in Europe doesn't make much sense. The German power grid would be worse off without connections to the EU. The French one would be nearly inoperatable without connections with the EU. I love France, I do learn their language, but France is going to have issues that would be worthy of a lolcow thread when it comes to the future of it's nuclear sector.

2. You can shit on Germany all you want. But they spearheaded the start of solar panel production and wind turbine producion, though wind comparatively nowhere near to the effects the country had on solar.

Wind + Solar combined are already producing more electicity globally then all nuclear power plants do. And both combined are rising about 500-600 TWh a year. Give it 3-5 years and wind and solar alone are highly likely to provide around 10 % of global electricity demand globally. That's simply an impressive achievement which was started by Germany.

Meriasek dijo:
but a modern nuclear power plant costing 15 billion FOAK is totally too much.
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I'd wish it would be so easy.
 
Sure, sure, one can sugar coat it all and make it look good. But the reality is that solar and wind industries were started with heavy subsidisation and is now practically gone since it's energy intensive and ain't nobody gonna afford that here. The fact remains that the grid does not only have to distribute more power, it also has to be extensively restructured to accommodate fast switching of heavy loads.
And all that money to barely reduce our carbon emissions, which again was kinda the whole point of this.
Yeah, nuclear is expensive, but much of the expense is bureaucracy. I worked in the industry, I know how red tape and shifting regulations delay these and make things expensive.
 
Meriasek dijo:
Yeah, nuclear is expensive, but much of the expense is bureaucracy. I worked in the industry, I know how red tape and shifting regulations delay these and make things expensive.
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Since you worked there. Can you go into detail and explain which kind of rules and regulations should go and why? Would that really reduce the costs enough?

Don't get me wrong. But it appears every "reliable" country has huge issues with the deployment. And each has it's own regulations.

UK: Hinkley Point C
Finland: Olkiluoto
France: Flamanville-3
USA: Vogtle 3+4

I assume all have different rules and regulations. Yet they were/are all delayed and over budget and that is a common issue with it. I can look up a graph in a book about project budget overruns that goes into it if you want.

It seems to be a high risk bet to go for nuclear and then being bound towards it for the time of construction and the 60 years of operation when wind/solar and now storage has a track record of becoming cheaper.
 
Quindoll dijo:
Since you worked there. Can you go into detail and explain which kind of rules and regulations should go and why? Would that really reduce the costs enough?
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A huge help would be a singular and unified set of regulations across countries, allowing for a unified designs. For example the EPR is basically heavily modified for each country they build it in because regulations differ each time. This is significant in terms of cost because it basically means the detail design work of several thousands of instruments has to be redone every time, with a huge amount of work going into it with the engineers and vendors alike.
HPC, FA3, and OL3 are all nominally the same reactor design, also Taishan. And yet they all differ and had to be redesigned each time. The documentation alone has to be done differently each time, leading to delays and increased costs. Trust me, its ridiculous.

Thing about renewables and storage is that storage is orders of magnitude below what we need.
 
Meriasek dijo:
But Germany pats itself on the back that it's tackling the decarbonisation goals correctly.
Sorry for the rant, but this country is beyond retarded and frankly beyond saving, and I can't wait for the grand collapse of everything.
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Thank you very much for shitting on Germany.

Overall, the Trump presidency will be a good thing for europe as well, because to make money actual work will need to be done so good workers will be valued, most likely at least. I wouldn't put it past middle management to shoot themselves in the foot.
Maybe green energy lunacy/russian money will be pushed back (stopped) as well, because i'm not driving a shitty russian or chink electric car (can't even afford one and electricity is a lot more expensive, bith per kwh and the time it takes to charge the fucking thing, not counting the fact i'll never be able to fix it myself, fuck electric).
 
Personally I like regular nuclear power, although professionally I have set myself on hopefully a career in nuclear fusion. Not gonna PL, but I hope we'll see something involving my work around 2027 onwards.
 
Oh look, yet more filthy invaders being given free accommodations at taxpayer expense in England. Naturally, the Leftist government decided to house the rape apes next to an all-girls school. And of course the local police do nothing but act as enforcers for the (((creatures))) who are ultimately behind the scheme to flood Europe with darkies and permanently destroy the continent’s ancient cultures.

https://youtu.be/ecovDkM3Nbw

 
Flea Man Marbles dijo:
This video would be 100 times more watchable without the gay music playing over what this woman's saying. Got the original source ?
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Just the YT link in the post above. But I agree that far too many uploaded videos have awful music that interferes with being able to comprehend what is being said. Heck, a lot of movies get their audio levels wrong and background noise drowns out the actors’ lines.

European lawfare has arrived. The leftists in Europe are trying to do to populist politicians what the leftists in America tried to do to Trump.

https://youtu.be/d4_x1gkj7GE



European lawfare has arrived. The leftists in Europe are trying to do to populist politicians what the leftists in America tried to do to Trump.

https://youtu.be/d4_x1gkj7GE



European lawfare has arrived. The leftists in Europe are trying to do to populist politicians what the leftists in America tried to do to Trump.

https://youtu.be/d4_x1gkj7GE

 
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