Epic The Musical - Cause of Death: Wind Jetpack.

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Epic: The Musical (the concept album) is a sequence of EP’s by Jorge Rivera-Herrans, a certified theater kid and TikToker. He took Homer’s “The Odyssey” and transformed it into a series of EP’s that are incredibly entertaining and thought-provoking… but also deeply flawed.

Problems began in Epic’s third EP, the Storm Saga. First, some context: the Greek captain Odysseus and his crew are sailing home after emerging victorious in their decade-long year war against the Trojans. On their way home, Odysseus and his crew encounter Polyphemus, son of Poseidon. They attack but do not kill Polyphemus, with Odysseus challenging his mentor, Athena, on her motto of ruthlessness.

This act of rebellion against the ruthless order enrages Poseidon, who tries to drown Odysseus’ fleet with a storm. Before he can finish the job, however, Odysseus spots an island in the sky; he, along with his men, throw harpoons to free their vessels from the raging tide.

Odysseus, after an argument with his second-hand man Eurylochus, scales the island and asks Aeolus for help. Aeolus offers Odysseus a bag, in which Poseidon’s storm has been trapped. (How the bag came to be is unclear; perhaps Aeolus made a deal with Poseidon?) Aeolus warns Odysseus that intrigue among his men will lead them to try opening the bag, which quickly comes to fruition and summons not only the storm but Poseidon in the flesh.

In a fit of divine rage, Poseidon kills nearly all of Odysseus’ men, leaving only 43 standing. Odysseus, being ever-clever, uses the remainder of the winds left in the bag to push his vessel far, far away from Poseidon, allowing him and the remainder of his men to escape death.

Now, I don’t know about you, but so far, this is all fairly reasonable. While the wind bag may seem contrived at first, it is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for Odysseus. The purpose of the wind bag is twofold: One, to show the power of the gods over the minds of Odysseus’s crew, with Aeolus’ minions poisoning the minds of Odysseus’ men, claiming the wind bag is actually full of treasure! Two, to shine a light on man’s tendency toward self-destructive intrigue, with the gods a metaphor for the chaotic, fickle nature of men’s hearts. After all, Aeolus seemed rather benevolent (if not a little ominous) when speaking to Odysseus, but when he spoke with his men, Aeolus’ minions revealed a different side of the wind god.

Clearly, the wind bag is a carefully-considered plot device with real purpose. It would be a shame if the wind bag suddenly appeared again from someone OTHER than Aeolus and wrecked the most fundamental of the story’s rules!

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Much, much later on in Epic, at the second-last Saga, suddenly, Hermes the messenger god comes down and gives Odysseus the wind bag… again! Yeah, just… again. Bonus. And he tells Odysseus to not open the bag, but… there’s no crew at this point. Odysseus sacrificed all his men so he could stay alive. There’s no intrigue or temptation about the bag now, it’s just a “nuh uh” toward Poseidon’s storms.

How the HELL did Hermes get this? “We went through so much to get this” is the “Somehow, Palpatine returned” of this musical, I swear. It’s such a ridiculous pull only accentuated by Odysseus opening the bag ANYWAY and using it as a… Jetpack..? Odysseus is a sailor! Everything in this story has been so methodical, so well conceived, and all of a sudden we’re pulling left hooks that belong in a bad shonen.

Now, this is by no means my only qualm with Epic, but I thought this would be a good starting point for discussion. Also, if you haven’t listened to Epic yet… please do! It’s a real treat.
 
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Here is the full “animatics” for those interested.


My thoughts? I do love all epic and/or prose poetry. The odyssey is great, so is the Æneid. The singing is pretty good too.

Sadly I can already predict the feedback: cringe, tranime influence, theater kid and TikTok, and all are true and valid.

Still tho, I would rather The Odyssey of Homer be remembered than brushed off as too archaic when it’s beautiful and just, well, epic. Plus from what I can tell so far they have been very loyal to the original text. That’s the saving grace for me.
 
The music composition sounds AI generated. It's really unpleasant to listen to. It may not actually be AI but it is just as soulless. It's really worse since at least Suno AI can produce catchy music sometimes. It's some of the least inspired music I've ever heard, which, considering the source material, may as well be blasphemy.

I don't know how you can think the singing is good. It sounds like the singer is unhinging his jaw to belt out every other note for 3 seconds at a time. The rhythm and timing of the cadence is nauseating. This is seriously bad music.
 
Damn, I remember this shit already had dozens (if not hundreds) of animatics back when the guy was still posting demos/casting calls on tiktok.
It's not really the type of music I like (idk what you'd call this genre tbh), but I'm fairly into musicals, so here's my opinion anyway.

I respect the effort but something's mising here. The compositions most of the time seem very deirectless. For some of the tracks, they are teetering on the edge of being just a mashup of random sounds and words rather than music/songs. The tempo of singing vs the music seems wrong in a lot of moments, and the tone sometimes just doesn't match with what the song is about. I find that the tone often is just... kind of whatever? Like, I don't know what emotions are suppossed to be expressed here. The singing overall is okay (not good but not bad either) but the main character's voice is pretty fucking bad - he sounds like he has some obnoxious autotune, idk if that's just the guy's voice but omg he sounds awful.

Considering it was made by amateurs, it's a bloody good effort. But on its own merits, it's not really very good imo.

I know that your OP is about the plot, but I just wanted to put my opinion about the music out there. Sorry if that's not what you're looking for.

And just a bit of advice - I know you're probably very passionate about this piece of media, but try to write an OP with a cool head and with other people's reading comprehension in mind. Your OP is very hard to read. It's needlessly long, super disjointed, and lacks any central theme for discussion. Just food for thought ;)
 
I honestly enjoyed Epic but you can certainly tell it was done by an amateur. The guy has talent but he needs to work on it more.
My biggest gripe is the obvious use of auto tune. I feel like that has no place in a musical. I get it's a concept album at the moment, but real singers who don't need auto tune need to be used.

A lot of the criticisms I've heard are that the lyrics aren't very deep and/or meaningful and the songs can sound same-y. Which I agree somewhat. A few songs really do stick out and are a nice bop and the animations fans have done were fun to watch.
 
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