🐱 England: Sharing posts online or trolling could lead to six months' jail

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5707039/Sharing-hate-posts-online-lead-six-months-jail.html


Social media users who share or comment on racist or anti-gay postings will face jail under rules proposed yesterday.

Advice for judges and magistrates recommends harsh punishments for those found guilty of stirring up hatred against racial, religious or sexual minority groups.

Among those jailed should be people who post comments or share online hate speech because they have been reckless as to whether they stir up hatred, say the proposals from the Sentencing Council.

Those found guilty of hate trolling by commenting or sharing social media should typically receive a sentence of six months in jail.

Anyone who is convicted of orginating hate speech that threatens anyone’s life or which is widely distributed should expect three years.

Even someone whose words or material were judged as hateful, but were not considered to have threatened life or reached a big audience, is likely to be punished with a year in jail.


But critics say the proposals will mean young people who heedlessly throw insults against racial, religious or sexual groups on the internet are at risk of prison sentences.

The recommendations, which will be subject to a three-month consultation, come at a time of deepening sensitivity to racism and abuse about sexuality online.

On top of long-standing concerns about material posted by extremists, accusations have been levelled against those in mainstream politics and other well-known individuals.

Labour Party figures have been accused of anti-Semitism, while veteran feminist Germaine Greer and gay rights and free speech campaigner Peter Tatchell are among those who have been labelled as hate-peddlers for questioning the claims of the transgender lobby.

Stirring up hatred is a crime under the 1986 Public Order Act.

The council’s proposals say the most serious hate offences include speeches given by public figures with the aim of stirring up hatred, online content inciting violence towards racial or religious groups, and websites that publish abusive and insulting material to a worldwide audience over a long period.

Aggravating factors include activity ‘in a particularly sensitive social climate’ or delivered to an impressionable audience.

Using multiple social media platforms also makes an offence more grave.

The firm line taken by the Sentencing Council on hate speech posted online contrasts with its leniency to other groups of offenders.

It ruled two years ago that young thugs – including those who carry knives – may be spared jail if they come from deprived or criminal family backgrounds.

The guidelines gave a number of reasons why courts should not impose custodial sentences to a teenager guilty of threatening someone with a knife, including an ‘unstable upbringing’ that may have involved numerous care placements, exposure to drug and alcohol abuse, victim of neglect and/or abuse, and ‘exposure to familial criminal behaviour’.

Also under 2016 guidelines, muggers may escape prison if the robbery is found to have done no harm and was carried out with only ‘minimal force’.

The council also recommends shorter sentences for criminals who admit their guilt in court.

Those who plead guilty at their first appearance may have their custodial term cut by a third.

Professor Anthony Glees, director of the Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies, described the guidelines as bizarre, saying they were ‘not strict enough where they should be strict, too severe where greater leniency is called for’.

‘Only three years for hate speech that leads to people getting killed? Ridiculously soft,’ he said.

‘But six months for “hate trolling”? Are there enough prison places to lock up these hate trolls?’

He said the law needed to distinguish between ‘young and foolish’ individuals who say silly things and ‘really dangerous radicalisers and purveyors of violence who exploit the social media to wreak havoc and death’.

Professor Glees said the cases involving Greer and Tatchell could lead to confusion.

He said: ‘Are these social critics guilty of hate speech for asking awkward questions about gender interest groups? Or are those who attack them the true guilty ones?’
 
While in the US gun control activists are claiming the 2nd Amendment didn't account for weapons beyond rifled muskets, Britain is taking steps to ensure they can be conquered with muskets and a few hurtful words.
 
The thing is with how badly the police handles IRL problems to the point where people openly drink and smoke weed on the streets while child rape and drug gangs operate in semi-openess, the CPS is going to be bogged down in thousands of these "trolling cases" creating month long backlogs in the court system while the jail system is pushed to breaking point with drugs and violence rife within it. The Conservatives have basically lost the plot at this point with this affront to free speech and the whole Universal Credit fiasco now being the beginning of the end for them with the expected Brexit recession being the deathblow to the current Tory government.
 
Like, I don't know, kicking out the "migrants" and restoring the rule of law to their country in an unbiased manner with a police force that cares more about the fucking law and the lives of the people they're supposed to serve
The Muslims alone are in the millions, add to them the leftists and other pro-leftism ethnic groups and a peaceful process to remove leftism from the UK is impossible.

Where would the Islamists and others even be deported to? Pakistan isn't going to allow them to be forcefully sent back.

And what about the ethnic groups native to the UK who are leftists, the white imbeciles with their "refugees welcome" bullshit, what do you do with them? And what about the leftist media, the leftist police, the leftist government - they aren't just going to step down or allow themselves to be put on trial.

There are dark times ahead for us and the rest of western Europe: either leftism continues until we're overwhelmed by people who hate us and our countries become like the middle east, or brutal civil wars happen where millions are going to die and our economies and standards of living are destroyed.
And even if there is an insurrection by native Europeans and we win, it will probably be through far-right extremism that will lead to a Nazi-esque dictatorships and ethnic purges.

Meanwhile, In the United States, the Democrats are importing voters who hate whites by the millions and the Republicans will probably eventually choose to cut their losses and begin catering to the new voters just as the Democrats do.
 
God I love my country, even when people who hate fun try to ruin it, always know I'm in a better place.

*sips coffee from my American Flag mug I got from Walmart*
 
The Muslims alone are in the millions, add to them the leftists and other pro-leftism ethnic groups and a peaceful process to remove leftism from the UK is impossible.

Where would the Islamists and others even be deported to? Pakistan isn't going to allow them to be forcefully sent back.

I have a feeling you missed the point when I said "migrants", unless you're openly admitting that the correct fucking word is immigrant. In which case you should probably start referring to these "refugees" and "migrants" as such, who, while sanctioned by the government to be there, aren't there through the same (and/or proper) channels as legitimate immigrants.

And what about the ethnic groups native to the UK who are leftists, the white imbeciles with their "refugees welcome" bullshit, what do you do with them? And what about the leftist media, the leftist police, the leftist government - they aren't just going to step down or allow themselves to be put on trial.

It's almost like it's not my problem, and it's also almost like people who keep sitting around either waiting for other people to solve it or ignore it are going to help foment the upcoming civil war that you sad fucks are definitely, undeniably, in for.
 
What if internet jerks took random bits of serious business hate speech, filed off the most identifiable bits, then spread it through the UK facebook circles of people they didn't like just to farm and report the shares?
 
And they say America is the worst country in the world because we have Literally Hitler as our President?

:story:
 
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And how do they propose the country is going to pay for and enforce this?
The prisons don't even have enough space for actual violent criminals, let alone a million edgy shitposters.
Only people with connections are going to get anyone charged. Regular people won't get any police response to legitimate threats made online, but if Suzy green calls the cops they will intervene immediately. The UK is super gross.

That troon that punched a grandma got 6 months probation, by the way.
 
The thing is with how badly the police handles IRL problems to the point where people openly drink and smoke weed on the streets while child rape and drug gangs operate in semi-openess, the CPS is going to be bogged down in thousands of these "trolling cases" creating month long backlogs in the court system while the jail system is pushed to breaking point with drugs and violence rife within it. The Conservatives have basically lost the plot at this point with this affront to free speech and the whole Universal Credit fiasco now being the beginning of the end for them with the expected Brexit recession being the deathblow to the current Tory government.

That right there is the thing. IRL problems are difficult and require the increasingly coddled, under-trained and oversensitive excuses for police officers to put themselves in situations that might lead to mild peril in order to solve or combat. Going after mean internet words and behaviour that might in certain contexts be considered offensive to [INSERT NON WHITE/MALE DEMOGRAPHIC HERE] is far easier, and has zero risk of them being knifed, have bricks thrown at them, or be screeched at for being raysist when they actually do the absolute bare minimum to try and solve actual crime (as the guardian demonstrates today https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/09/police-gang-lists-racist-black-matrix)

Thus the choice offered to the modern diversity and sensitivity consulted, standards lowered to save feelings, not allowed to use harsh language police force is this
a) go after violent thugs in communities that often approve of violent thuggery so long as its targeted at outsiders, and thus be declared evil racist nazis by screeching media idiots and thus likely get laid off when your bosses desperately try and pander to them in order to avoid the dreaded "bigot" label that they are convinced will have them lynched in the streets
b) go after unarmed and non violent people who might offend the aforementioned screeching media idiots, and present this as progressive and heroic policing to them in order to escape any criticism

So...yeah. thats why they are flailing at mean internet words.

Fortunately however, as demonstrated by the superinjunctions debacle, british police are even more inept when dealing with online wrongthink than they are in dealing with mass child rape, and thus the only ones who get paddy-waggon'd are non-anon facebook people who randomly get selected for a "LOOK HOW MUCH WE ARE FIGHTING HATE SPEECH GUIZ!" arrest. Hell, back in the 80s and 90s before the internet was a thing, the police were not even able to stem fucking edgy horror films during the whole "video nasties" hysteria, and that was when thatcher had given them a hell of a lot more support, funding and manpower than they do today.

Fact of the matter is that the internet is our own personal vietnam jungle and ricefield, our own boer savannah and desert, our own afghan mountains and plains. Let these plastic police cucks waste all their funding and time trying to hunt every one of us down for making jokes about unlicensed spoons, because they will never be able to find all of us, and doing so will only hasten their demise when this shit backfires with actual crime rates rocketing high enough to cause the government to do a 180 and cut their funding even further in order to appease pissed constituents. The only ones they will finger are the tards who dont go anon, and even then they dont have the funding or resources or tech to hunt down every non-anon facebook shitposter.

EDIT: come to think of it, this is also why many other police forces around the world including britain have been so damn enthusiastic about fanatically enforcing weed laws. harmless stoners are always a far more attractive target to shitty cops than actual criminals be they street level or white collar
 
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It's almost like it's not my problem, and it's also almost like people who keep sitting around either waiting for other people to solve it or ignore it are going to help foment the upcoming civil war that you sad fucks are definitely, undeniably, in for.
Speaking of civil wars, what do you think would happen here in the states? With icky guns only being used by a majority of one side and all. I think it'd be pretty fucking hilariously one sided. Honestly, I'm aching to see some homestyle justice served up in the UK, maybe from all the Chavs.
 
Speaking of civil wars, what do you think would happen here in the states? With icky guns only being used by a majority of one side and all. I think it'd be pretty fucking hilariously one sided. Honestly, I'm aching to see some homestyle justice served up in the UK, maybe from all the Chavs.

There's a post (iirc it's by @It's HK-47 ) explaining what would happen in that event. It wouldn't be pretty, but then again no civil war is.

Fact of the matter is that the internet is our own personal vietnam jungle and ricefield, our own boer savannah and desert, our own afghan mountains and plains. Let these plastic police cucks waste all their funding and time trying to hunt every one of us down for making jokes about unlicensed spoons, because they will never be able to find all of us, and doing so will only hasten their demise when this shit backfires with actual crime rates rocketing high enough to cause the government to do a 180 and cut their funding even further in order to appease pissed constituents. The only ones they will finger are the tards who dont go anon, and even then they dont have the funding or resources or tech to hunt down every non-anon facebook shitposter.

EDIT: come to think of it, this is also why many other police forces around the world including britain have been so damn enthusiastic about fanatically enforcing weed laws. harmless stoners are always a far more attractive target to shitty cops than actual criminals be they street level or white collar

Brilliantly written, though I think you left out the fact that a shitload of problems are going to arise when citizens feel that they have to turn to vigilantism to solve the crime problems in their communities, and the snowball effect that's going to have when the vigilantes are arrested while the perpetrators go free.
 
Isn't the conservative party in charge in Britain currently? Or are the parties there nearly identical?

These sort of laws are something we'd see from the Democrat party here in the States.
 
Brilliantly written, though I think you left out the fact that a shitload of problems are going to arise when citizens feel that they have to turn to vigilantism to solve the crime problems in their communities, and the snowball effect that's going to have when the vigilantes are arrested while the perpetrators go free.

These problems are not OUR problems. Infact these problems work well for us since they mean the police will be even more hamstrung by budget, time, and manpower when trying to whine-police the internet. We let the normies overload the IRL system in their own manner, and thus make it all the more attractive for politicians to start shitting on the police in order to get cheap votes. Meanwhile we stay hidden in our ricefield and let the police burn all their remaining money and time trying to smoke us out.
 
Well perhaps the other candidate in the north will have some platform about removing some kind of meat off a stick, but I forget what that is called? If only someone could jog my memory.

At this point I would not even say that the troubles in Britain are the muslims fault. At every turn their problems have been caused by the local population asking themselves "Blimey, I roigh wonder wot oi could do roight at this moment to bugger bugger meself the worst" and then proceeding to do that exact thing... Twice... While asking for asspats
 
Speaking of civil wars, what do you think would happen here in the states? With icky guns only being used by a majority of one side and all. I think it'd be pretty fucking hilariously one sided. Honestly, I'm aching to see some homestyle justice served up in the UK, maybe from all the Chavs.
All the true and honest lefties got a copy of guerrilla warfare kicking around somewhere, it's not that hard to figure out anyway.
 
At this point I would not even say that the troubles in Britain are the muslims fault. At every turn their problems have been caused by the local population asking themselves "Blimey, I roigh wonder wot oi could do roight at this moment to bugger bugger meself the worst" and then proceeding to do that exact thing... Twice... While asking for asspats

then I would go find the person who started all this bullshit to go beat some sense back into them and hope to god that it did the right job.
 
For 200+ years people ask us Merkian's why do you need your guns?

England.
 
The next logical step to this is that deliberately seeking to view offensive content is illegal, I'm calling it now. They'll say it's anti terror legislation or some other shite, but the net result will be that UK citizens will be imprisoned for reading anything politically incorrect. This country is headed down a dark path, and I don't see anything good at the end of the tunnel.
 
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