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Southland Tales is pure clusterfuck kino.
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Southland Tales only redeeming qualities, and this isn't a defense of the film or trying to convince anyone its a good movie, is the cast is so large theres probably someone you like and it has that Killers song in it.
So the theatrical cut of Darko doesn't have the pages from Philosophy of Time Travel inserted in, right? I'm not sure if I've seen the original, I think the only serious viewings have been the directors cut.
I always bootleg that shit online and it seems like pirating sites only offer one version of movies sometimes (beggers can't be choosers.)
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I like Southland Tales in spite of itself. It's not a good movie but it has so many moments where you just have to wonder if it's intentionally retarded or not. The scene with the black dude punching the air while the chick yells about fucking other dudes is like a pseudo MDE sketch. The whole movie just makes you wonder what fuck they were thinking. Also "I'm a pimp, and pimps don't commit suicide" is a great line.
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It's a great movie that really nails the tones it was going for. (I don't think any film ever hit me with a feeling of nostalgia harder than the opening vocal measures of Head Over Heels. It's the quintessential sound of the 80s.) It feels almost like a dream or nightmare at times.
It's sad that Kelly was never able to replicate its success. But I respect him for not ever doing a sequel.
It's sad that Kelly was never able to replicate its success. But I respect him for not ever doing a sequel.
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- 1 de Ene, 2023
Naw didn't read anything about a communist message it was mostly redditors trying to defend it as a misunderstood art house piece that didn't deserve the bad ratings.
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It's a great movie and one of my favourites, but I'm not sure you're supposed to make sense of it.
Also, fun fact, it is set in Midlothian, VA. If you know, you know
Also, fun fact, it is set in Midlothian, VA. If you know, you know
Southland Tales could be an entertaining watch if you don't take it seriously and just view it as a live-action anime movie or the typical whimsical Metal Gear game. It will come off as pretentious if you take it at face value.
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Donnie Darko might be the first millennial movie made, if it makes sense. Relies on 80s music for nostalgia before that was a thing, a case of irony poisoning, some extra depth that may or may not be there, and a little up it’s own ass but not by much. Starring the early millennial darlings the Gyllenhaals.
It’s a fine movie when I saw it as a teenager.
It’s a fine movie when I saw it as a teenager.
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OP - you have got yourself a difficult challenge because you say that you have never seen the theatrical cut of Donnie Darko. This means you exist in a Tangent Universe in which a jet engine fell on the script and killed much of its charm. To get where others are coming from you will have to try and envisage an alternate you who is unaware of a lot of the director's intent not just going in but throughout, a film with a much more surreal film.
A lot of the charm of Donnie Darko is the surrealness, the disjointed nature juxtaposed with the underlying sense there is a meaning there just out of reach. Nearly all of your opening post is trying to analyse the possible ways it could all work and pick apart what is consistent and what is not, evidence for this or that. When I watched the original movie, my response was much more an emotional one. Regardless of any time travel or alternate timelines my primary take away from the film was an emotional resolution in which Donnie reconciles with his fate and we see him going to bed smiling because in his mind he finally has a resolution to his strife and confusion and it is the knowledge that by doing so, he is saving everyone else.
And my sense of Frank was not trying to pick if / when he was a manipulated live/dead, but a feeling that there were other planes of existence outside of time, that the boy who died had moved to one of them, was attempting to save the world via Donnie. The moment we see the real / living Frank working on his bunny costume and heading off to the party is a key moment for the audience in the theatrical cut because it's one more piece of the puzzle we can slot in place, it explains why Frank is a bunny, it reinforces that there's both tragedy and higher meaning. Well, honestly the audience can take their own meaning from that but this is kind of the point.
I came out of the theatrical cut quite delighted by the film and recalling great moments like Donnie's meltdown about the lifeline diagram and his parents in the principle's office, the weirdness of Frank in the bathroom mirror and touching the eye, the smile on his face as he lies down to die, and the little girls saying:
"I heard that the bathroom was flooded with faeces."
"What's faeces?"
"Baby mice."
"Awwwwww"
You have to try and imagine the added mystery and more emotional version of the film because you never had the absence of the things that made it so. It's easier for me to see it in your terms - a puzzle movie arranging a multitude of pieces - than I think it is for you to see it in mine - a surreal, dark and uplifting mystery hinting at larger meanings.
Unfortunately that's most of what you have to say. I think you wanted more of a discussion about what made sense, thoughts on your tapestry of hypotheses. But to me it was more an emotional movie than a paradox movie and when I showed someone the movie I'd enjoyed and naively picked out the Special Edition because I thought it would be a treat for both of us, I found myself increasingly disappointed. The man behind the curtain was not a wizard after all.
Donnie Darko had a lot of things that made it good. Jena Malone has always been a very engaging actress. Even as a child playing the young version of Jodie Foster's character in Contact you can see how talented she is. In a very understated way. She also has a penchant for doing weird and off the wall movies - I last saw her in The Neon Demon which oddly has some of the same wont-explain-itself quality of Donnie Darko. Albeit an utterly subject matter and quite different tone. Jake and Maggie Gyllenhaal are good as the siblings. There's real comedy value in juxtaposing Donnie's frustrations and the school environment and lessons. Seeing him angrily taking apart some of the woo-woo nonsense they're being taught was as cathartic for some people back then as seeing a kid take apart woke or diversity nonsense in a film would be today. And in general, the film just had a wonderful atmosphere and pacing that sailed between character comedy and tragedy and gave you a sense there was a meaning behind events and higher planes of understanding. The emotional conclusion of the film is a sense that things are now right with the world, even if in a sad way.
It's a good movie but for me at least, was more of an emotional one giving me a feeling of mystery, sadness, bittersweet satisfaction. The strangeness of the unknown was a tool to bring all these feelings about and by adding so much in the director's cut it both diminished that tool and also created a competing area of focus for it. And IIRC, the director's cut goes a bit more into trying to say Donnie is a superhero of some kind referencing "he will have increased strength" or something. In the original the axe in the school mascot's head is just this weird background detail.
Thank you for coming to my Sped Talk.
A lot of the charm of Donnie Darko is the surrealness, the disjointed nature juxtaposed with the underlying sense there is a meaning there just out of reach. Nearly all of your opening post is trying to analyse the possible ways it could all work and pick apart what is consistent and what is not, evidence for this or that. When I watched the original movie, my response was much more an emotional one. Regardless of any time travel or alternate timelines my primary take away from the film was an emotional resolution in which Donnie reconciles with his fate and we see him going to bed smiling because in his mind he finally has a resolution to his strife and confusion and it is the knowledge that by doing so, he is saving everyone else.
And my sense of Frank was not trying to pick if / when he was a manipulated live/dead, but a feeling that there were other planes of existence outside of time, that the boy who died had moved to one of them, was attempting to save the world via Donnie. The moment we see the real / living Frank working on his bunny costume and heading off to the party is a key moment for the audience in the theatrical cut because it's one more piece of the puzzle we can slot in place, it explains why Frank is a bunny, it reinforces that there's both tragedy and higher meaning. Well, honestly the audience can take their own meaning from that but this is kind of the point.
I came out of the theatrical cut quite delighted by the film and recalling great moments like Donnie's meltdown about the lifeline diagram and his parents in the principle's office, the weirdness of Frank in the bathroom mirror and touching the eye, the smile on his face as he lies down to die, and the little girls saying:
"I heard that the bathroom was flooded with faeces."
"What's faeces?"
"Baby mice."
"Awwwwww"
You have to try and imagine the added mystery and more emotional version of the film because you never had the absence of the things that made it so. It's easier for me to see it in your terms - a puzzle movie arranging a multitude of pieces - than I think it is for you to see it in mine - a surreal, dark and uplifting mystery hinting at larger meanings.
Unfortunately that's most of what you have to say. I think you wanted more of a discussion about what made sense, thoughts on your tapestry of hypotheses. But to me it was more an emotional movie than a paradox movie and when I showed someone the movie I'd enjoyed and naively picked out the Special Edition because I thought it would be a treat for both of us, I found myself increasingly disappointed. The man behind the curtain was not a wizard after all.
Donnie Darko had a lot of things that made it good. Jena Malone has always been a very engaging actress. Even as a child playing the young version of Jodie Foster's character in Contact you can see how talented she is. In a very understated way. She also has a penchant for doing weird and off the wall movies - I last saw her in The Neon Demon which oddly has some of the same wont-explain-itself quality of Donnie Darko. Albeit an utterly subject matter and quite different tone. Jake and Maggie Gyllenhaal are good as the siblings. There's real comedy value in juxtaposing Donnie's frustrations and the school environment and lessons. Seeing him angrily taking apart some of the woo-woo nonsense they're being taught was as cathartic for some people back then as seeing a kid take apart woke or diversity nonsense in a film would be today. And in general, the film just had a wonderful atmosphere and pacing that sailed between character comedy and tragedy and gave you a sense there was a meaning behind events and higher planes of understanding. The emotional conclusion of the film is a sense that things are now right with the world, even if in a sad way.
It's a good movie but for me at least, was more of an emotional one giving me a feeling of mystery, sadness, bittersweet satisfaction. The strangeness of the unknown was a tool to bring all these feelings about and by adding so much in the director's cut it both diminished that tool and also created a competing area of focus for it. And IIRC, the director's cut goes a bit more into trying to say Donnie is a superhero of some kind referencing "he will have increased strength" or something. In the original the axe in the school mascot's head is just this weird background detail.
Thank you for coming to my Sped Talk.
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this movie is cringe and gay, did any of you nigger lovers see the sequel?
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There's a sequel?
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You don't get credit for shit you don't put in your movie just because you explain it elsewhere. The movie was gibberish, even the directors cut (hell, especially the directors cut.) At one point years ago, I actually took the time to try to understand this movie because everyone at meh school of a certain type was obsessed with it. I honestly think it made more sense before I tried.
That cover of mad world is fire though.
That cover of mad world is fire though.
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- 16 de Abr, 2025
Did you know that the movie was the continuation of a comic book? The movie's still pretty bad, but it DOES makes much more sense if you read the comic first.
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Funnily enough, they've just featured this film on PTP... OP, are you manipulating time? what are you trying to tell us?
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OP is head of the PTP Film Club.
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Yes, Donnie Darko 2: Donnie Darker. It was made without any involvement of Richard Kelly and got some awful reviews (13% on Rotten Tomatoes). I thought it wasn't that bad, and it has some good early 90s songs.
The actual title is "S. Darko" (2009)
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The original DVD release of the film worked great: you had the mystery of the film, which is one experience, then you can explore the extras to read the explanation--really more of a rationalization--which is a very different experience. You don't get a package like that with streaming services, and that's unfortunate. I like it when a subsequent work, whether it's a book or a diagetic DVD extra, illuminates the corners of a primary work. The illusion of depth is nice, finding out a creator really did fill in the corners (even if only a little) is even nicer.
But when you listen to the commentary with the director and Kevin Smith, it's clear he didn't understand his references and wrote a great script almost by accident. He says something like, "So, this vortex, it reminded me kind of like comic books, because comic books have vortexes and stuff in them." Then Smith starts babbling about Crisis on Infinite Earths and Kelly has no idea what he's talking about, and isn't really a fan of comic books. And he didn't know who actually said cellar door was the most beautiful phrase in the English language. So if you spent hours putting together a theory about Grandma Death's jewel collection being an allusion to the silmarils and the fat FAA surveillant being the Anti-Monitor, forget it.
The director's cut restores a lot of small character moments I like, such as Donnie and his dad bonding over their mental health issues and the revelation that Donnie's anti-psychotics are placebos. Not sure why his doctor is giving him placebos while he rapidly decompensates, that could have been explored more, but I thought it was neat. Other than those moments, it doesn't really do anything better.
But when you listen to the commentary with the director and Kevin Smith, it's clear he didn't understand his references and wrote a great script almost by accident. He says something like, "So, this vortex, it reminded me kind of like comic books, because comic books have vortexes and stuff in them." Then Smith starts babbling about Crisis on Infinite Earths and Kelly has no idea what he's talking about, and isn't really a fan of comic books. And he didn't know who actually said cellar door was the most beautiful phrase in the English language. So if you spent hours putting together a theory about Grandma Death's jewel collection being an allusion to the silmarils and the fat FAA surveillant being the Anti-Monitor, forget it.
The director's cut restores a lot of small character moments I like, such as Donnie and his dad bonding over their mental health issues and the revelation that Donnie's anti-psychotics are placebos. Not sure why his doctor is giving him placebos while he rapidly decompensates, that could have been explored more, but I thought it was neat. Other than those moments, it doesn't really do anything better.
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How likely is it that he stole the script or maybe was it ghostwritten? given how much of a wreck his career has been after DD, I don't count it out.
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No, why on earth would someone give a ghostwritten script to some 25 year old kid to direct? Or who would he have stolen it from? That didn't happen.
I also wouldn't exactly call Kelly's career a wreck. As someone said earlier, Southland Tales probably isn't a "good" movie as you would traditionally use the term, but it's fucking cinema. And the madman insisted on doing part of the story in comic books, instead of doing something normal like making it a TV miniseries instead.
It's also hilarious that he got Dwayne Johnson, Justin Timberlake and Sarah Michelle Gellar to star in this weird-ass movie that's not like anything else. I love it.
His third and so far last movie, The Box, sounds more like a straightforward Twilight Zone mystery adaptation if you just read the synopsis, but when you watch it, it's unmistakably a Richard Kelly movie. Even got a rare F rating from CinemaScore audience polling, because it ends with a husband shooting his wife, so of course everyone came out hating it. Admirable unwillingness to give a fuck about mainstream appeal, I say.
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