💼 Careercow Donald J Trump - 45th/47th President of the USA, convicted felon, Epstein bro, Putin/Netanyahu simp, serial liar, sore loser, cheat and the Chris-Chan of Presidents. Lost a war to Iran and algae. THIS IS NOT USPG2.

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fakemon dijo:
All sanction should be dropped tomorrow, and Ukraine's going to have to cede that territory anyway, so they might as well stop now.

Putin only ever wanted to put right the wrongs of euromaidan, Even Trump, who's a fucking retard compared to Putin, understands this,
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lol why should Ukraine have to give up its territory?
 
TeaBaggins dijo:
Michael kept books made by members of NAMBLA that had pictures of naked boys in them.

And he used to keep children's underwear.

I agree on your Trump comment though. It's funny, I just had a recent reply about how someone needed to see evidence of Trump being a pedo.

All while ignoring the walking in on naked teenage girls thing that you also wrote about.

That was my reply, that apparently Trump's own words on that subject apparently aren't enough.

I don't know why I mentioned it though, lol. They're not going to believe it. That will be their reply to me, lol.
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Are we just going to forget that he was acquitted of all charges in his 2005 trial? OK, then.
 
Oh boy, I activated the Russian bots.

By the way that imbecile Witkoff tweeted what was presumably supposed to be a DM, like his boss Trump, and quickly deleted it, unlike Trump who left it up.
It was already screencapped though.
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It is speculated that "K" is Kirill Dmitriev, a Russian representative who Witkoff is "negotiating" with.
 
It's about the best Ukraine could get at this point, their negotiating power is getting weaker by the day. The Russians make advances by the day and are storming 3-4 cities right now. The Slovyansk-Kramatorsk line is breaking, and the defensive lines extending from Dnipropetrovsk to Zaporizhzhia are going to hold for another 6 - 9 months, at best. It's a lot worse for Russia than what Russia will simply take if the Ukrainians reject it. Odessa and any access to the Black Sea are at stake for Ukraine, not any territories actively contested right now, if they don't stop it, they're fucked, and longer-term so is Moldova.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan dijo:
lol why should Ukraine have to give up its territory?
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I don't know.
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Why Poland had to lose a good chunk of their pre-WW2 territories in 1945? Why couldn't we keep the borders as they were if we were the ones that got invaded by Germany and the USSR?
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Why was it that these decisions were done by one of the invaders in company of UK and US leadership, and Polish leadership had no say in these decisions?

And why should we assume that this time it's meant to be some sort of black and white fantasy dream where the bad guy loses everything and the good guy loses nothing?
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan dijo:
lol why should Ukraine have to give up its territory?
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Here's what I see.
Unfortunately, as with trying to compromise to end a war, Ukraine will have to make concessions just like Russia will have to make concessions. And giving up land may unfortunately be one of those concessions, even as much as I don't want that to happen.

HOWEVER, way I see it, for Ukraine to even do that, there had better be some ACTUAL, WORTHWHILE, MEANINGFUL security guarantees. Trump essentially has to do the metaphorical equivalent of tying a stick of C4 to Putin's dick and going "you even THINK about breaking this deal and I'll make you say dasvidaniya to your balls, comrade."
Problem is, Trump (and even Witkoff) are too retarded and/or too chummy with Putin to do something like that. Which is what makes the "Ukraine has to give up land" part much more contentious.
 
Slav Power dijo:
Why Poland had to lose a good chunk of their pre-WW2 territories in 1945?
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Because Stalin won the war. He took all of eastern Europe by force. That tends to strengthen one's negotiating position.

Putin can't even take Pokrovsk. So why should Ukraine give territory to Russia without a fight, that Russia has tried, and failed, to take by force. What's in it for Kiev? Why would they say yes to this? ( they won't )
 
big pauper dijo:
we're talking about national sovereignty not taking turns on a swingset, it's kind of a might-makes-right kind of thing regardless of who had it first lol
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Yes. But Ukraine has it now. Why would they give it up, if Russia cant take it by force? Even if they have tried for 3 years and 8 months?
 
It's like some botnet was activated by the key-phrase and started to flood the thread.

You people responding to it are no better.

Edit: Oh, it was posted in the community thread. I guess here come the obligatory ten pages of shitting.
 
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He paid off his slam piece, so it's fine. Wait who were we talking about?

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Once their initial shame fades, libertarians always embrace their true positions.

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