Does universal healthcare actually work somewhere?

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Inspector Rex dijo:
Yes, it does have niche treatments. Some things that provide QoL (e.g. prosthetics or eye impairment treatment) can be harder or outright impossible to get for free in a reasonable time period, though that differs from region to region and comes down to what your local ministry of health is prioritizing right now.


Obviously not, as you can't have every type of equipment and staff everywhere, especially in the countryside medical facilities can be lacking. But if the situation is serious, your doctor can send you anywhere to get treatment that isn't available locally.

Just to put things into perspective, healthcare is usually the first thing Russian immigrants start criticizing in Western Europe.
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Interesting, I guess it comes down to bloat. Western countries can spend retarded sums of money catering to tiny groups. Like the UK having entire divisions solely made for the results of Paki inbreeding. I wonder if brain drain is also as much factor there as in the west.
 
wtfNeedSignUp dijo:
Interesting, I guess it comes down to bloat. Western countries can spend retarded sums of money catering to tiny groups. Like the UK having entire divisions solely made for the results of Paki inbreeding. I wonder if brain drain is also as much factor there as in the west.
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Well, the upside of this approach is that you may still get treated despite your disease being rare. But some balance is needed for sure.
 
There is no point in advocating for things that can already exist, this applies to everything and not just "universal healthcare" (which I assume means healthcare paid with taxes by the government); I googled searched the amount of Americans that want universal healthcare and it's around 60%, I don't see 60% of the population funding NGOs (with their own money) that will pay other people's bills for free, hell they won't even organize and create organizations that will make members pay a fee and when someone has a medical issue the bill is paid by the organization if deemed worthy, despite 60% of the population wanting universal healthcare these people won't use any of their resources to pay for other people's medical bills despite this being what they want, this is because they either think the government is a magic organization that can finance any spending with via spontaneous generation of resources, or they want other people to foot the bill, there is a concept in economics called revealed preference which says that what matters is actions and not words, the "universal healthcare" topic and voluntary alternatives to this not existing is a good example of this.

¿Remember how I said at the start that there is no point in advocating for things that can already exist? If 60% of the population wanted they could create a system in which they get "taxed" by a certain amount of money by a NGO they could and would be more than happy to take part, and this NGO would pay for their members healthcare regardless of what it is because it's universal, this doesn't happen because these people don't care, no point in arguing with hypocrites, if you care so much make it happen with your own money.

Let's imagine that these people created an NGO where all members paid a fee to get healthcare, clearly some people could pay more and would want to get more benefits due to this, and some people wouldn't be able to pay as much but still want healthcare, so they would end up paying less and get less benefits, then this NGO would have to deny some claims in order to be able to fund people's healthcare or else it would run out of money, and this NGO would have to hire people to handle legal cases and also hire other administrative personal, they would have to hire people to invest their funds so they have a cash flow instead of a fixed stock of money, they would have to hire people to run actuarial analysis...wait a minute, this almost starts to sound like an insurance company, I guess that if it's an NGO instead of a private company then at least it wouldn't have that huge 6% profit margin that got the CEO of that healthcare company shot by Luigi.
 
Anime Waifu NFT collector dijo:
Let's imagine that these people created an NGO where all members paid a fee to get healthcare, clearly some people could pay more and would want to get more benefits due to this, and some people wouldn't be able to pay as much but still want healthcare, so they would end up paying less and get less benefits, then this NGO would have to deny some claims in order to be able to fund people's healthcare or else it would run out of money, and this NGO would have to hire people to handle legal cases and also hire other administrative personal, they would have to hire people to invest their funds so they have a cash flow instead of a fixed stock of money, they would have to hire people to run actuarial analysis...wait a minute, this almost starts to sound like an insurance company, I guess that if it's an NGO instead of a private company then at least it wouldn't have that huge 6% profit margin that got the CEO of that healthcare company shot by Luigi.
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I dunno, credit unions have been around for a century and don't seem so bad. That just sounds like the healthcare version of that. Maybe it could work if they weren't blowing money on diversity hires or DEI departments and refused troons, junkies, or inner city people as members.
 
wtfNeedSignUp dijo:
Interesting, I guess it comes down to bloat. Western countries can spend retarded sums of money catering to tiny groups. Like the UK having entire divisions solely made for the results of Paki inbreeding. I wonder if brain drain is also as much factor there as in the west.
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That's the issue though. it would actually, potentially, work better if it was segregated into "poor bastards who have a kid with some awful, unforseen genetic issue" and "fucking pakis whose parents, grandparents and great grandparents were all first cousins, who fucking knew they had a chance of raising a potato, if it ever made it as far as full term". Least that way we could let the Pakis crack on and burden their own system, and take them out the equation for the genuinely unfortunate.

Instead we keep them in with everyone else, and people who are facing true adversity through no fault of their own share a system with literal cretins who should be packed back off to whence they came.
 
wtfNeedSignUp dijo:
Interesting, I guess it comes down to bloat. Western countries can spend retarded sums of money catering to tiny groups. Like the UK having entire divisions solely made for the results of Paki inbreeding. I wonder if brain drain is also as much factor there as in the west.
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>Obsessed with raping women of ethnicities polar opposite to theirs.
>Still inbred as shit
 
Universal health care worked just fine in Europe before niggers, particularly in the Nordics, because they had the fewest niggers.
kim foxx dijo:
seems to work well in asia
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Yes, because Asia doesn't have a lot of niggers... yet. But Jews are already starting to marry themselves into Asian bloodlines. Good luck, gooks.
 
kim foxx dijo:
seems to work well in asia. people in taiwan pay $35 a month for medicare. if you have a job your employer pays that $35 for you.

america combines the worst of all worlds and functionally has the same health insurance industry as south africa, for similar reasons.
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Because most East Asians are relatively thin and generally ignore health issues right until they keep over from a stroke or heart attack.

That and places like S. Korea massively limit doctor pay.
wtfNeedSignUp dijo:
I read something here that they have some weird thing about blood purity and that only a relative can be really pure, so even if they have a massive community they still remain inbred.
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It's called being mehram and first cousins are mehram aka ok to marry. Since you KNOW they're Muslim they're excellent marriage choices. Pakistanis LOVE cousin marriage and it's literally wrecking the genetic code of entire populations there and in the UK
 
cigint dijo:
Universal health care worked just fine in Europe before niggers, particularly in the Nordics, because they had the fewest niggers.
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Right, but financially it's always been propped up by their government-owned oil industry (which, by necessity, operates as a for-profit company) as well as the fact that Europe has been effectively demilitarized since 1945, and they still have to bolster it further with income taxes that can exceed the majority of one's income.
 
Japan until the population got too old.

Turns out the Japanese method for Universal Healthcare works as long as the population numbers are stable, decently young, and working.

Now, it’s showing cracks.
 
McMitch dijo:
Right, but financially it's always been propped up by their government-owned oil industry (which, by necessity, operates as a for-profit company) as well as the fact that Europe has been effectively demilitarized since 1945, and they still have to bolster it further with income taxes that can exceed the majority of one's income.
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No, none of the Nordics had a big government-operated oil industry as a cash cow than Norway, and their universal health care systems did just fine before niggers.

Systems where you pool resources together work just fine when you have a population of good productive human beings that work, and not many parasites. European socialism is failing because the countries are full of old people and niggers, both of which are parasites, resource-wise.
 
cigint dijo:
No, none of the Nordics had a big government-operated oil industry as a cash cow than Norway, and their universal health care systems did just fine before niggers.
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Equinor has been paying dividends (of which Norway has over 2/3 shares) to the Nordic state for fifty years now, a full two decades longer than the current form of Norway’s healthcare system. Before that, it was directly owned by the state as Statoil. Oil is incredibly profitable, and this a massive income that other states do not have to offset the cost of healthcare.

When you have a ton of money flowing in, and you don’t have to spend any of it ensuring neighboring countries don’t just roll right over you, then you can afford to monetarily strong arm past the bureaucratic failings of state-run healthcare.
 
Butterschmalz dijo:
In Germany in the 90s, when everybody was speaking German.
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Basically it works when everyone has paid into it with their taxes and the country has not been flooded with immigrants. In Canada we have brought 5 million people in the last 2 years and because of this healthcare is free but you have to wait so long because the infrastructure hasn't kept up nor there is enough money in the coffers to pay for everyone's service.
 
Adrenochrome Dreams dijo:
Ageing populations are really bad for universal healthcare, and society in general.
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Healthcare in Japan and South Korea seems fine despite the quickly aging population.

The difference is they don’t import millions of people who would be net drains in the economy and system.

Aging populations isn’t necessarily bad for healthcare as long as you account for it and make sure enough people become healthcare professionals like Drs and Nurses and have enough hospitals and clinics.

Aging populations is bad for social security and pensions and those types of systems.
 
JackoVerde dijo:
Healthcare in Japan and South Korea seems fine despite the quickly aging population.

The difference is they don’t import millions of people who would be net drains in the economy and system.

Aging populations isn’t necessarily bad for healthcare as long as you account for it and make sure enough people become healthcare professionals like Drs and Nurses and have enough hospitals and clinics.

Aging populations is bad for social security and pensions and those types of systems.
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lol Japan is importing people all right and currently the younger generation is fantasizing about dying and going to fantasy Europe. S Korea is full on dystopia.

One of the things people like to leave out of the discussion is average health in countries. East Asia has people relatively healthy due to good dietary habits. Trying to put a similar system in a country where addiction, obesity and hyper processed foods will need a significantly higher budget.
 
All public services work well when a larger number of people pay in than take out and the people that do use it have also paid in to the system themselves. AND when there aren't a bajillion vanity projects that NGOs demand that tax money goes to as well. Glad, everyone has cleared that up.

(Most people would be for it, I think. Except that most stuff gets added on in addition to previous bloat rather than replacing it. So people are wary of these systems being expanded in places like the US because it usually creates new problems rather than fixes the old ones. Also it just gets spent on niggers and illegals. Not citizens. I wonder what the welfare in other areas there are in countries it works better in as well because the US also has the bloat from paying so retards can have a million children and get their sodie pops from Walmart. At the very least the SNAP and EBT need to be revised to you can't spend it on junk like soda and snack foods, only staple food items.)
 
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