Do you think that human beings are just naturally violent?

I always figured that man isn't necessarily inherently violent, but rather capable and willing to use any and all means available to exert one's will. That just happens to include violence, and I'd be interested in studying just how good, as a species, our track record is when it comes to violence helping us to succeed in a goal. Like, is using violence a statistically good way to get something done or something like that.
 
DoctorJimmyRay dijo:
I always figured that man isn't necessarily inherently violent, but rather capable and willing to use any and all means available to exert one's will. That just happens to include violence, and I'd be interested in studying just how good, as a species, our track record is when it comes to violence helping us to succeed in a goal. Like, is using violence a statistically good way to get something done or something like that.
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I'm beginning to adopt this view myself

And to answer your question, America probably never would have gotten it's independence from Great Britain without violence, so there's that to start with.
 
While people can be naturally violent, I don't think it's invariably the case.
 
All living organisms are naturally violent. If you're not violent, you die. What you're really asking is whether or not humans are naturally cruel, oppressive, and so selfish that the rights and basic dignity of another human mean nothing to them. Is that sort of sociopathic tendency natural... and to some extent I think it is but it really depends on environment, genetics, and emotion. Which we know that but we want to believe humans are more metaphysical and independent than just being a product of our upbringing.

I do think given that criteria, Americans, specifically white middle-class Americans are far more violent than say some African guy. Inb4 "dindu stole my car" yeah but at least he didn't steal your wife you cuck.
 
I think the main reason for violence is when someone feels threatened and like Ernest Becker theorised about a major source of violence is when their world view is threatened, especially if it relates to their view of an afterlife due to an innate subconscious fear of death, http://doubtcast.org/docs/galen_tmt_cfimi_2010.pdf is a decent rundown, it also is an explanation of why those who feel strongly about culture issues (Gamergaters/SJW's for example) are often atheists and agnostics.
 
Pickle Inspector dijo:
I think the main reason for violence is when someone feels threatened and like Ernest Becker theorised about a major source of violence is when their world view is threatened, especially if it relates to their view of an afterlife due to an innate subconscious fear of death, http://doubtcast.org/docs/galen_tmt_cfimi_2010.pdf is a decent rundown, it also is an explanation of why those who feel strongly about culture issues (Gamergaters/SJW's for example) are often atheists and agnostics.
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That would certainly explain the whole "deus vult" thing.
 
Humans are probably less violent as a % than our closest relatives, in that we don't normally resolve day-to-day disputes violently or with threats and we're not physically equipped for lots of physical confrontation the way. We lost a lot of stuff that's advantageous in fights like thicker skulls, bigger teeth and upper body strength because we developed other ways of resolving conflicts like cognition and language. We're just incredibly efficient at it when it happens.
 
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