US Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud - No voter fraud


WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

His comments in an interview with The Associated Press come despite President Donald Trump’s repeated baseless claims that the election was stolen, Trump’s effort to subvert the results of the 2020 presidential election and his refusal to concede his loss to President-Elect Joe Biden.

Barr said U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but they’ve uncovered no evidence that would change the outcome of the election. Barr was headed to the White House later for a previously scheduled meeting.

“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,” Barr told the AP.

The comments are especially direct coming from Barr, who has been one of the president’s most ardent allies. Before the election, he had repeatedly raised the notion that mail-in voter fraud could be especially vulnerable to fraud during the coronavirus pandemic as Americans feared going to polls and instead chose to vote by mail.

Shortly after Barr’s statement was published, Trump tweeted out more baseless claims of voter fraud. And his attorney Rudy Giuliani and his campaign issued a scathing statement claiming that, “with all due respect to the Attorney General, there hasn’t been any semblance” of an investigation.

Last month, Barr issued a directive to U.S. attorneys across the country allowing them to pursue any “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities, if they existed, before the 2020 presidential election was certified, despite no evidence at that time of widespread fraud. That memorandum gave prosecutors the ability to go around longstanding Justice Department policy that normally would prohibit such overt actions before the election was certified. Soon after it was issued, the department’s top elections crime official announced he would step aside from that position because of the memo.

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The Trump campaign team led by Rudy Giuliani has been alleging a widespread conspiracy by Democrats to dump millions of illegal votes into the system with no evidence. They have filed multiple lawsuits in battleground states alleging that partisan poll watchers didn’t have a clear enough view at polling sites in some locations and therefore something illegal must have happened. The claims have been repeatedly dismissed including by Republican judges who have ruled the suits lacked evidence. Local Republicans in some battleground states have followed Trump in making similar unsupported claims.

Trump has railed against the election in tweets and in interviews though his own administration has said the 2020 election was the most secure ever. Trump recently allowed his administration to begin the transition over to Biden, but has still refused to admit he lost.

The issues Trump’s campaign and its allies have pointed to are typical in every election: Problems with signatures, secrecy envelopes and postal marks on mail-in ballots, as well as the potential for a small number of ballots miscast or lost.

But they’ve also requested federal probes into the claims. Attorney Sidney Powell has spun fictional tales of election systems flipping votes, German servers storing U.S. voting information and election software created in Venezuela “at the direction of Hugo Chavez,” – the late Venezuelan president who died in 2013. Powell has since been removed from the legal team after an interview she gave where she threatened to “blow up” Georgia with a “biblical” court filing.

Barr didn’t name Powell specifically but said: “There’s been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven’t seen anything to substantiate that,” Barr said.

He said people were confusing the use of the federal criminal justice system with allegations that should be made in civil lawsuits. He said such a remedy for those complaints would be a top-down audit conducted by state or local officials, not the U.S. Justice Department.

“There’s a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people don’t like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and ‘investigate,’” Barr said.

He said first of all there must be a basis to believe there is a crime to investigate.

“Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. They are not systemic allegations and. And those have been run down; they are being run down,” Barr said. “Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.”

In the campaign statement, Giuliani claimed the had gathered “ample evidence of illegal voting in at least six states, which they have not examined.”

“We have many witnesses swearing under oath they saw crimes being committed in connection with voter fraud. As far as we know, not a single one has been interviewed by the DOJ. The Justice Department also hasn’t audited any voting machines or used their subpoena powers to determine the truth,” he said.

The witnesses Giuliani has pointed to in the past included Jessy Jacob, identified as a City of Detroit employee, who said in an affidavit filed in court that she saw other workers coaching voters to cast ballots for Joe Biden and the Democrats.

But a judge who denied a bid to block the certification of Detroit-area election results noted that Jacob’s claims of misconduct and fraud included no “date, location, frequency or names of employees” and that she only came forward with her allegations after the unofficial results indicated Biden had won Michigan.
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Despite both the DOJ and DHS looking there's been no evidence found and even Trump's personal attack dog Barr can't fabricate this :story:
So if this wide scale fraud happened, where exactly are these people who saw it and why haven't they talked to the DOJ?
 
The headline also does not reflect what AG Barr said at all. Way to go.

“There’s been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven’t seen anything to substantiate that,” Barr said.
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“Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. They are not systemic allegations and. And those have been run down; they are being run down,” Barr said. “Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.”

Well, he technically said there wasn't any widespread fraud, so it's not half-wrong either.
 
“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,”
The narrative:

Muh Rusha stole the 2016 election with $100,000 of Facebook ads
We live in a heckin' Orange fascist dictatorshiparino
Dems fuck Bernie out of the nomination AGAIN in 2020 through the power of party 'democracy'
Dem agents harvest ballots from dementia patients and corpses
Biden outright states putting together the largest voter fraud organization in U.S. history
Massive ballot dumps in certain counties that tip states for Biden.
"OMG! Trump is a sore loser! Concede, Orange Man Bad!"
"Okay, maybe the dumped ballots might not be completely legit, but we must count every vote for democracy!"
"Okay, we may have lied to get Republican election watchers out of the room, but the results are totally legit!"
"Okay, there may have been fraud, but Biden would have totally won even without it, guys!"

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Bill Barr said that? Really???? oh what a shock, nobody saw that coming. wow
 
But there was Russian intervention for Trump. No conspiracy there.
I really like how everyone on this site and who's pushing the voter fraud shit completely forgot that Trump was screeching about election rigging back in 2016 way before the Dems ever did.
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...Until he won.

There is and was no possible reality where Donald Trump or his cultist fanbase would EVER accept him losing peacefully. If he lost in 2016, he'd be doing the same shit he's doing right now with the 39+ failed suits he's filed. Because the reality that most Americans hate his ass and want him out is too much for them to handle.
 
I really like how everyone on this site and who's pushing the voter fraud shit completely forgot that Trump was screeching about election rigging back in 2016 way before the Dems ever did.

He was right back then as well, lol. The establishment just totally misread the political climate and were utterly convinced they only needed to take the most token measures needed to ensure a Hillary blue wave. If they had known in advance how massively Trump was going to galvanize people, they'd have been pulling this shit right back in 2016 as well.
 
He was right back then as well, lol. The establishment just totally misread the political climate and were utterly convinced they only needed to take the most token measures needed to ensure a Hillary blue wave. If they had known in advance how massively Trump was going to galvanize people, they'd have been pulling this shit right back in 2016 as well.

I'm convinced there was fraud, or at least shenanigans. Those late night ballot dumps overcoming typically insurmountable leads, precincts with absolutely comical voter turnout, rampant ballot harvesting, selective "curing", bellweather counties being worthless, "glitches" finding votes and flipping counties after the fact---you'd have to be willfully ignorant to not at least acknowledge the fuckery that clearly went on. It's probably gone on before, (They tried to do it in 2018 in FL with the midterms.) , but now they had to do it on a massive scale, so it's very obvious.

That said, I don't think that Trump & Co. are competent or lucky enough to get their way in this situation. Barr's comments make this even clearer. The only case that has a prayer's chance is in PA and wasn't even filed by the campaign itself. The press conferences, hearings, and other publicity stunts exist only to keep the base energized and kneecap Biden's presidency.

It's really quite a sad state of affairs. Trump has a great message---clear out political corruption, minimize global special interests, return to traditional values, protect American interests first and foremost---but he's an irredeemably incompetent messenger.
 
He was right back then as well, lol. The establishment just totally misread the political climate and were utterly convinced they only needed to take the most token measures needed to ensure a Hillary blue wave. If they had known in advance how massively Trump was going to galvanize people, they'd have been pulling this shit right back in 2016 as well.
Case in point, again. Just the thought of Trump ever losing or being massively disliked can't compute to you people. "The Establishment" has been Republicans for the last 4 years. If this mysterious evil Democrat cabal you imagine really existed, Trump's ass would've been out of office as soon as the Dems got the go ahead to put him on trial for impeachment.
It's really quite a sad state of affairs. Trump has a great message---clear out political corruption, minimize global special interests, return to traditional values, protect American interests first and foremost---but he's an irredeemably incompetent messenger.
He had four fucking years as the most powerful man on the planet with a republican house for 2 of them and a republican senate for all four, said senate saved his ass from Impeachment.
Yet somehow even the most powerful guy on the planet is a weak, powerless, helpless victim incapable of doing anything? Amazing.

And on the topic of the voter fraud allegations, he's had 39 chances to prove it, and has failed each and every time. Georgia even recounted its votes and certified.
The narrative:
"Okay, maybe the dumped ballots might not be completely legit, but we must count every vote for democracy!"
"Okay, we may have lied to get Republican election watchers out of the room, but the results are totally legit!"
"Okay, there may have been fraud, but Biden would have totally won even without it, guys!"
3 9 f a i l e d l a w s u i t s
 
He had four fucking years as the most powerful man on the planet with a republican house for 2 of them and a republican senate for all four, said senate saved his ass from Impeachment.
Yet somehow even the most powerful guy on the planet is a weak, powerless, helpless victim incapable of doing anything? Amazing.
You don't know a damn thing about how the presidency works, do you?
 
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