Disney/Fox 'Sabotages' Dark Phoenix For Captain Marvel and Brie Larson

Regarding Captain Marvel and Brie Larson, while promoting the release of Captain Marvel amid fan backlash, Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige told fans (note: bold emphasis my own): "She's one of the most popular characters in our comics, she's one of the most powerful characters in the comics and will be the most powerful character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe." Feige also added: "And one of the highlights at my career at Marvel was introducing her at Comic-Con and having her coming out on stage and stand there with literally almost everything else from our universe, and there she was at the forefront, and it was a great foreshadowing of not just for how audiences are going to embrace Brie as this character, but also for how Captain Marvel is about to take the lead and be at the forefront of the entire Cinematic Universe."

Boy oh boy. Captain Marvel was an aright movie, but not only does this tard think she will fill the hole left by Iron Man leaving, but that she will fill the shoes of Captain America, Hulk etc. Gotta be honest, after the first movie I was about done with Captain Marvel. I loved the 90's nostalgia in it, but the space shit looked like it would get boring real fucking quick. I think we seen the best that the MCU has to offer and I'm okay with that.
 
In marvels 80 year history nobody and I mean nobody gave a flying fuck about Captain marvel, ever.

Wonder Woman for DC has seniority and she was kinda there since the golden and silver age.

You want people to give a fuck about a female marvel hero use one who isn't shit Psylocke, Rogue, Jean, Sue Storm, Mystique, Kitty Pride, hell probably Jubilee even though her powers are shit and they tried to make her cooler by turning her into a literal sparkle vampire.

The only Marvel porperty that was raised higher due to the movies was Guardians of the Galaxy and that was entirely James Gunn's doing on making a sincere movie about a small cast of characters. Before that People really only cared about Rocket and Groot because they were the most interesting of the bunch. Rocket also gained notoriety after what happened to his creator and him becoming braindamaged and bed bound.
You mean Ms. Marvell. The original one is still reasonably well-liked, though they refuse to bring him back from the dead.
 
Boy oh boy. Captain Marvel was an aright movie, but not only does this tard think she will fill the hole left by Iron Man leaving, but that she will fill the shoes of Captain America, Hulk etc. Gotta be honest, after the first movie I was about done with Captain Marvel. I loved the 90's nostalgia in it, but the space shit looked like it would get boring real fucking quick. I think we seen the best that the MCU has to offer and I'm okay with that.
Theoretically she can because they gave her ALL THE POWERS EVER. They've now essentially made their own Superman not a Wonder Woman.

You know what they should have done instead, if they wanted STRONK FEMALE WARRIOR they probably should have had her be someone else. Like they have her be a pilot, so why not go full Iron Man Tetsuo and have her merge with the metal of her vehicle and have her be some body horror cyborg. Like that would have made for an interesting character. Spend like 40 minutes of the movie of her being a deformed hideous looking mess before finally mastering her powers and trying to put metal absorbtion and body reconfiguration to practical use. Have it be kind of like a human transformer.
 
Boy oh boy. Captain Marvel was an aright movie, but not only does this tard think she will fill the hole left by Iron Man leaving, but that she will fill the shoes of Captain America, Hulk etc. Gotta be honest, after the first movie I was about done with Captain Marvel. I loved the 90's nostalgia in it, but the space shit looked like it would get boring real fucking quick. I think we seen the best that the MCU has to offer and I'm okay with that.
It'll be interesting to see if Disney learned anything from the Star Wars trashfire if Carol crashes and burns and whether they'll repeat NuWars mistake of trying to force people to like her like they're doing with Rey or if they'll do the smart thing and switch gears to bringing in the X-Men and making them the face of the MCU.
 
Knowing where a story eventually ends up doesn't make the journey there uninteresting.
Eh, I think knowing mutants eventually do get gene-therapy’d out of existence and that the man with the dream not only kills his own family but winds up buried in a random set of woods does kind of deflate the drama in any prequel they could make focusing on mutant equality or Xavier.
 
Eh, I think knowing mutants eventually do get gene-therapy’d out of existence and that the man with the dream not only kills his own family but winds up buried in a random set of woods does kind of deflate the drama in any prequel they could make focusing on mutant equality or Xavier.

Rate me optimistic but with the right team of writers they could use us knowing how the story ends to enhance a prequel
 
Rate me optimistic but with the right team of writers they could use us knowing how the story ends to enhance a prequel
Don’t get me wrong, they can make movies about other stories featuring the characters, like Deadpool or the Deadpool that comes after that, but making another prequel that focuses on the main story would be like making a Star Wars prequel starring characters nobody’s ever heard of going on a mission that we already know the outcome of because of throwaway dialogue in A New Hope: totally pointless and boring.
 
Don’t get me wrong, they can make movies about other stories featuring the characters, like Deadpool or the Deadpool that comes after that, but making another prequel that focuses on the main story would be like making a Star Wars prequel starring characters nobody’s ever heard of going on a mission that we already know the outcome of because of throwaway dialogue in A New Hope: totally pointless and boring.

Fair point though i'd take 20 Rogue ones over the sequels we got.

I'm just salty about the wasted potential, no mister sinister, no good brotherhood of mutants, no good Juggernaut and worst of all we won't get Rogue putting captain marvel in a coma
 
Studio meddling happens in every movie, it's almost a stereotype at this point.

The Wikipedia article for this movie is very informative and almost exhaustively well-sourced. And reading it, it says that the reshoots + rewrites were planned as far back as Dec 2017 at Kinberg's behest (who is a clear hack btw, who the fuck fails in adapting the same storyline TWICE?).
He is probably a hack, but he failed to adapt it this time for same reason he failed the last time: massive studio interference. The first time it was Fox executives making him sideline the Dark Phoenix story for the mutant cure story because Dark Phoenix was too dark for the audience, and the second time right around the time they started filming Fox told them "hey yeah, we're going to get bought by Disney, so that two-parter we promised you needs to be a single movie, STAT."

What is it about Fox that whenever they hit movie 3 in a pseudo-trilogy they get all interventionist and inevitably kill the golden goose?
 
You know, even with Disney-Fox not sabotaging this movie, would this actually been good? I mean, the Dark Pheonix character has always been bullshit even by X-men standards.
Honestly I always felt that dark pheonix should be like the Centaurian slug in star trek. Have the dark powers be a separate space entity with it's own personality. Maybe make DP be a soul of an alien girl from another civilization ripped from her body because her civilization was trying to stop galactus or something so they made DP a super telekenetic soilder who couldn't save her planet and in the process blew up her own body and flung her spirit charged with telekinetic energy across the universe. Being that this has never happened before with becoming concious but disembodied and earth will now have zero contact with this civilization since it's gone, the dark pheonix spirit latches onto jean at a young age because psychic energies attract like a magnet or some shit. Since this grown ass alien psychic spirit was like Rei Ayanami'd in a lab it fucking sends jean into ultra destructive fits. Phoenix Spirit doesn't know whats fucking going on either because having your fucking soul ripped from your body and being flung across space only to be absorbed by a weird girl with similar powers wasn't covered in basic training either.

So this sets up Dark Pheonix as being a whole separate character living in jean which would tie into why Charles would oppress it. He doesn't know what the fuck it is, nobody does. At that point you can have the spirit begin to break out and posses Jean for short amounts of time. Maybe have Jean have weird dreams of an alien planet and show the memories of the alien girl who was trying to do something similar to jean in her own world. Eventually that could lead to a conclusion that the girls share something in common and that essentially Jean's been with this thing her entire life but now they know what it is and that it's another person and not a deus ex machina.
 
Lauren Schulner Donner is a bitch. She and Simon and pedophile are responsible for ruining the franchise.

A directors cut isn't gonna make this shit better.
 
X-men movies don't need to be sabotaged. They're all terrible to begin with. No one gives a shit about captain marvel.
Can the super hero era of movies just die already. They've been cringe since Blade, Batman, Daredevil and the first X-men movies and Fantastic 4. spiderman being the only good one because it's stupid in a hilarious way.
DC tries way too hard to be edgy and Marvel movies look like belong on Nickelodeon a perfect example being Thor. I don't know why but the CG is poor and jokes are ICarly tier humor.

I just want the monster movie era again.
 
He is probably a hack, but he failed to adapt it this time for same reason he failed the last time: massive studio interference. The first time it was Fox executives making him sideline the Dark Phoenix story for the mutant cure story because Dark Phoenix was too dark for the audience, and the second time right around the time they started filming Fox told them "hey yeah, we're going to get bought by Disney, so that two-parter we promised you needs to be a single movie, STAT."

What is it about Fox that whenever they hit movie 3 in a pseudo-trilogy they get all interventionist and inevitably kill the golden goose?
Honestly, X-Men movies have been extremely meh since X2 (Logan is probably the exception, though I don't feel a huge urge to see that either). Also no one edits existing plans because they might be bought out, remember there was a bidding war between Comcast/Disney around the time the movie was being finalized, it would have been too late for anyone to significantly change things.

I just don't get what possessed him and Fox to try and re-adapt a storyline that already failed and almost tanked the film series. It's probably for the best though, like I said, things were very meh for a long time now.
 
Captain Marvel was always going to make a ton of money. It’s a Marvel film in between the two biggest Avengers movies. They could have re-released Howard the Duck and it would have sold.

Meanwhile, Dark Phoenix is another instalment in a tired and confused franchise, a remake of a bad film, this time with less talented actors. Furthermore, it was sequel to another lacklustre movie. The X-franchise has low stakes, because we know they can reset continuity or just ignore it.

Then you have the changed climate. When the first X-Men film came out, it was a serious attempt at a comic book movie at a time when that was a rarity. Now there’s a superhero movie every couple of months, and superheroes being allegorical while zapping each other with CGI is nothing special. Especially when it’s the same characters from back then, minus development.

Dark Phoenix could have been the Citizen Kane of superhero movies and it would have flopped. I know people like to shit on Captain Marvel - I found it pretty meh even as a MCU fan - but this theory is really reaching.
 
That's the thing about Marvel they have no Wonder Woman.

All of their popular female hero characters are X-Men or Avengers and none have been able to hold a solo book even in the 90s when comic books were still mainstream and X-fever was at it's peak.

Wasn't that around the time of the "New Mutants" books, with Jubilee trying to hang off Logan's dick constantly, and Gambit being a fag?
 
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