DISASTER! How to react when shit has already hit the fan. - Use this thread for tips, tricks, and suggestions for when it all goes to hell.

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We have threads for preparedness, but this thread is for what to do when bad things have already happened, or started.

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  • If something has happened and you still have access to running water, fill everything you can with clean water while you have the chance. Even a scummy, uncleaned tub can be used to store water that you can use for bathing, and that greywater can be used to flush toilets so you prevent waste from staying near you.
  • Stay clean, you don't know what gross shit is in debris, and you want to avoid illness and infection when supply chains are broken. It's not a matter of appearances, it's important for survival.
    • Water removes water-soluable messes, but you can also use alcohol (drinking alcohol) to remove oil-based messes
    • Braid your hair if you have long hair. You can wash braids and it keeps your hair from getting nasty and tangled. If you have cotton ribbons or thick string, braid that in for added protection.
  • DON'T LET ANYONE KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE. If you have more than others, don't tell the people around you or they'll want to take it. If you have LESS, don't tell them that either, people will take advantage of you.
  • Only go out in real shoes with hard soles. Even if you don't see anything, it minimizes the risk of stepping on glass, nails, or anything else that may have been kicked up, or that was transferred while people are moving things around.
  • If you have a radio, but limited power, turn it on on the hour and find a station that's playing the news "on the hour" updates. Leave the radio tuned to that channel. Use an analog watch/clock to check time, and turn on your radio on the hour to catch those broadcasts moving forward.
  • Stay in well-ventilated areas. Gas could be leaking and if you don't have operational sensors/alarms then you won't know. Avoid going into areas (like basements) without airflow.
 
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This is more of a preparedness angle but having a book or reference guide for edible plants and what their nutritional benefits are would be exceptionally helpful. Do you know you can get vitamin K from the eyes of a rabbit, for example? Or what common lawn "weeds" are edible?

If you live in an area prone to wild fire, expect more of them. Scared people who don't think about keeping their campfires contained will cause them anywhere they can. Depending on how intact or cohesive your community is, there likely won't be any organized response to it. Likewise for medical emergencies, car wrecks or basic day to day medical emergencies won't have the response infrastructure to manage them. Expect to find a lot of old people who've fallen with no 911 to call, car wrecks with people unable to self extricate. Animals that haven't had their owners to feed them reverting to feral states for survival.
 
IMO there are two things you can't slack on:
- water
- communication

I always tell people: Communication is golden.
If you don't know how to work a radio, the two most important settings to start will be scan and squelch. Everything else is downstream of those two. Not all radios have squelch, but most worth their salt will. Start with those two, and you'll be as good as a newbie can be.

Water is much more dire, but I really don't know what to say here. Dig a well?
 
I humbly add to never walk in flooded urban water if you can avoid it. Chance of electrocution, chemical/biological contamination, and sharp debris.

Wait until it drains or use a boat if possible.
 
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Water is much more dire, but I really don't know what to say here. Dig a well?
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Depends on the area. Sometimes you'll be able to collect rainwater, sometimes you won't. Sometimes you'll have water available, but it's contaminated. If you have contaminated or salty water, you can build an evaporation and condensation tent, but in my experience they don't work all that well, you're better off finding a source of running water somewhere and then filtering and boiling it.
A home filter, like a countertop dispenser or filter-pitcher can be used for collected water just as well as it can for filtering your normal tap water for drinking, it'll just clog the filter faster, so if you have one available, pre-filter the water you collected before putting it in your normal filter. You can even use something like a cotton shopping bag or a shirt or something.
If you have no filter, you can make a basic one with rocks, sand, charcoal, cloth, and a container like a plastic bottle or a plastic bag:
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In an absolute, worst-case scenario, you can heat water in thick plastic. Emergency situations aren't the time to be worrying about microplastics, but at the same time, even stone boiling is better than boiling water in a milk jug.
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NEVER USE WET ROCKS.
NEVER USE WET ROCKS.
WET ROCKS WILL EXPLODE.

You get a dry rock hot, THEN put it in the container of water.
 
Put your phone in battery saver mode and turn off wifi and bluetooth ASAP. This will give you 3 to 5 days of battery if the power is out. It's a comfort to have even if local cell towers are down and in the US you can connect to AREDN at FEMA Disaster Recovery Centers.

FEMA (and others) use portable AREDN mesh nodes that connect to fixed AREDN infrastructure using the Internet, satellite links (including Starlink), or point-to-point relays. It provides local wifi, various web applications, VOIP, email, other services focused on emergency responders, and can optionally bridge to the Internet. AREDN fixed infrastructure map.
 
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If something has happened and you still have access to running water, fill everything you can with clean water while you have the chance. Even a scummy, uncleaned tub can be used to store water that you can use for bathing, and that greywater can be used to flush toilets so you prevent waste from staying near you.
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As a 'tard who likes to buy things, I got a waterBOB. It's a bathtub-shaped water holder that you fill from the tap, and has a hand pump for dispensing after.
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It's the same idea--fill the tub while running water is still available--but with the bonus of not having to wish you'd cleaned the tub, plus limiting evaporation and general ease of use.

Box is under my bathroom sink with the spare toilet paper.
 
-Be armed, but that's an obvious one.

-Once shit hits the fan, probably the biggest boost to survival is being in a group of people you trust. You can't watch your own back while you sleep, and multiple people can more easily gather/protect resources. Looters/killers tend to avoid groups of armed people and go for loners or couples as easy targets. Don't be an "easy target".

Edit: I remembered reading a post ages ago from a Bosnian guy who survived the Yugoslavian collapse in a warzone. He ignores the broader politics and solely describes what day-to-day survival was like. While the article is a long-ish read, it is relevant to the thread and (IMO) interesting.

 
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Use this table to use bleach to disinfect water. This is only for water that doesn't have soil, dirt or other crap in it. Try to filter all of that out using the method in @NoReturn's post or by filtering it through a thick, clean tshirt a few times. After putting the bleach in and stirring, it should smell like bleach, if it doesn't put a free more drops in. Wait at least 30 minutes before drinking. Cover the top with a cloth to keep shit out and in a free hours the bleach taste will go away.
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It is very unlikely that a collapse will come in the form of an apocalyptic "shit hit the fan" event. It is far more realistic that you will experience a state of managed decline like in South Africa or parts of Russia where energy is rationed and you only get electricity for certain hours of the day. It may also mean that you are quarantined in an area and not allowed out.

In the 'fun' event of some apocalyptic collapse I'd imagine that a wire cutter and a bolt cutter would be very handy tools for scavenging. They'd allow you to get through wire fences pretty reliably without risking dangerous climbs.
 
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It is very unlikely that a collapse will come in the form of an apocalyptic "shit hit the fan" event. It is far more realistic that you will experience a state of managed decline like in South Africa or parts of Russia where energy is rationed and you only get electricity for certain hours of the day. It may also mean that you are quarantined in an area and not allowed out.
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In case it's relevant to future readers: I made this thread because of the quake in Venezuela, but more generally, yeah.
 
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DON'T LET ANYONE KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE. If you have more than others, don't tell the people around you or they'll want to take it. If you have LESS, don't tell them that either, people will take advantage of you.
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Know how to get rid of waste without making it obvious. Don't be the only house with the lights on.
 
Look At You dijo:
It is very unlikely that a collapse will come in the form of an apocalyptic "shit hit the fan" event. It is far more realistic that you will experience a state of managed decline like in South Africa or parts of Russia where energy is rationed and you only get electricity for certain hours of the day. It may also mean that you are quarantined in an area and not allowed out.

In the 'fun' event of some apocalyptic collapse I'd imagine that a wire cutter and a bolt cutter would be very handy tools for scavenging. They'd allow you to get through wire fences pretty reliably without risking dangerous climbs.
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I'd imagine 24 hour home batteries would be golden then.
 
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