🐱 Did ‘Stranger Things 2’ Sweep Will’s Sexuality Under the Rug?

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https://filmschoolrejects.com/will-stranger-things/

In the first season of Stranger Things, it was insinuated several times that Will was gay. Of course, it was always mentioned negatively — really it was the knee-jerk reaction of unimaginative bullies to a sensitive kid who likes to draw.

But it came up just enough times last year to be noticeable, and to be glaringly missing this time around. Particularly because Stranger Things 2 is so relationship-heavy. Last season had a heavy dose of love to it, but now our kids are a year deeper into adolescence, and the hormones are spreading like a tentacle through a pumpkin patch.

Even the adults are getting in on it — Joyce has Bob. Hopper wishes he had Joyce. Heck, even Mrs. Wheeler has her teenage romance novel fantasy.

And at the center of it all is Will, who is utterly stripped of romantic interest.

To be fair, he’s got other things on his mind. For half the season he’s slipping in and out of the Upside Down, and for the other half he’s possessed by a Shadow Monster, hiding in a corner of his own body. This leaves minimal time for dating. But the fact that he’s the only one too caught up in the supernatural for love is conspicuous in and of itself.

It’s an old fashioned kind of representation — queer characters exist, but they’re stripped of sexuality.

But that’s still preferable to no representation. In the final Snow Ball scene (which is, for the most part, deeply satisfying and utterly charming), everyone gets together to dance to The Police and show that all’s right with the world. And Will gets snapped up by a female classmate for reasons, it feels, of symmetry. The characters have paired off, and it’s obvious that Will has no one. Enter the placeholder girl.

Granted, Hawkins is a small town in 1984. Monsters and secret government agencies may be real, but even a middle school kid sure of his homosexuality is probably going to dance with a girl or two. The insertion of a random girl in the final look at our beloved characters might be, honestly, the most realistic choice.

But it still smacks of unnecessary straightwashing.

That being said, there’s plenty of room for this all to be fine. If Will does turn out to be gay, the hope is that he’ll get a single moment’s rest in the third season to explore that. Twice now he’s been at the center of the weirdness, the key to the involvement of the people around him. If it happens a third time, it risks drifting into the formulaic.

So maybe next year Will will get the chance to be more of a normal kid, and we can explore what it means to have an arguably central character who is, incidentally, gay.
 
I don’t understand what the author’s issue is.
The author noticed a large chunk of the second season ended up being about a dead tertiary character from the first season who the internet autistically latched onto because she looked like a weird dyke. So the author and people like "her" (probably a troon) realized they can steer this series into making Will a homo in the third season if that wasn't already planned.

And they're likely right.

I'm surprised that there isn't more of a stink about his dad calling him a faggot in a series produced in current year.
It's okay if a character we're supposed to hate says it. That proves the show is woke and on the right side of history.
 
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What the fuck. It was OBVIOUS that he was sensitive and liked geeky shit so his horrible fucking dad and other assholes thought that meant he was gay. It is very obviously written this way and that Will isn't gay. Or at least that perception was wrong.

Any kid with empathy experienced the same shit growing up. Sensitive kid? Oh that must mean he is a queer.

This is the internet, yet again, trying to force what it wants on characters. If they do make Will gay, it will be in response to fucking stupid cunts like the writer. Because it would basically say 'oh all sensitive and empathetic boys ARE queers' with the way the story and characters were written.
 
What the fuck. It was OBVIOUS that he was sensitive and liked geeky shit so his horrible fucking dad and other assholes thought that meant he was gay. It is very obviously written this way and that Will isn't gay. Or at least that perception was wrong.

Any kid with empathy experienced the same shit growing up. Sensitive kid? Oh that must mean he is a queer.

This is the internet, yet again, trying to force what it wants on characters. If they do make Will gay, it will be in response to fucking stupid cunts like the writer. Because it would basically say 'oh all sensitive and empathetic boys ARE queers' with the way the story and characters were written.
Next season to be largely about everyone being sad over Bob and Will coming out of the closet.

Also some more crying over the best non-character ever, Barb.
 
Here's why Barb existed: They needed someone to die. Idiots latched onto her because she was a small part and they had to blow it up into something it wasn't. The writers got their mileage out of her by the internet blowing her up and figuring out how to get her friend and Will's brother together (and something to do). If you think that was some reaction to the internet, it wasn't. It gave them the idea of what to do with characters.

Unfortunately, nobody came up with something for Elven to do. They had Hopper doing too much so they couldn't work on their relationship a lot (which is what I found most interesting out of the second season, honestly. You've got these two damaged people trying to become a little family and both fucking it up spectacularly. They wasted that on multi-cultural gang special episode).

That's it. Big spoiler for season 2:

Its the same reason Sean Astin was in Season 2. They really didn't want to kill Hopper or the main cast. But you need SOME stakes, some people gotta get got. So instead of a throw-away like Barb who had no character development, they invest you in Sean Astin.

As soon as they did the rule of thirds shot with him in the left, smiling as he got away with a large screen space, you instantly knew he was fucking dead.

If you didn't know his face was going to get bitten off after that shot, you haven't watched enough horror/thrillers. Dead giveaway. Literally.

Next season to be largely about everyone being sad over Bob and Will coming out of the closet.

Also some more crying over the best non-character ever, Barb.

Nah, I doubt it. If they make Will gay then they basically justify the logic that 'sensitive boys = all queers' which isn't the narrative the show was trying to push, at least in the first season. The only reason they did a lot with Barb was because it gave Nancy, Steve and Justin a lot to do. It also added pathos and conflict. Lot more to do with that than any internet nonsense
 
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That's it. Big spoiler for season 2:

As soon as they did the rule of thirds shot with him in the left, smiling as he got away with a large screen space, you instantly knew he was fucking dead.

If you didn't know his face was going to get bitten off after that shot, you haven't watched enough horror/thrillers. Dead giveaway. Literally.

Yeah, I always appreciate it when a show doesn't telegraph things with the cinematography, but I can count on one hand the shows that do it right.

Nah, I doubt it. If they make Will gay then they basically justify the logic that 'sensitive boys = all queers' which isn't the narrative the show was trying to push, at least in the first season. The only reason they did a lot with Barb was because it gave Nancy, Steve and Justin a lot to do. It also added pathos and conflict. Lot more to do with that than any internet nonsense

*rates post optimistic*

I was kidding, mostly. The lack of reaction to Barb's death in the season one finale was a legitimate plot hole that they needed to address, and they did that.

You could be right about all that, and I hope you are. But this is Netflix's biggest show, and the pressure is going to be huge on them to keep the audience happy. And they've been very careful thus far about achieving an authentic 80s film feeling without making it too problematically authentic. So that worries me.
 
https://filmschoolrejects.com/will-stranger-things/

In the first season of Stranger Things, it was insinuated several times that Will was gay. Of course, it was always mentioned negatively — really it was the knee-jerk reaction of unimaginative bullies to a sensitive kid who likes to draw.

But it came up just enough times last year to be noticeable, and to be glaringly missing this time around. Particularly because Stranger Things 2 is so relationship-heavy. Last season had a heavy dose of love to it, but now our kids are a year deeper into adolescence, and the hormones are spreading like a tentacle through a pumpkin patch.

Even the adults are getting in on it — Joyce has Bob. Hopper wishes he had Joyce. Heck, even Mrs. Wheeler has her teenage romance novel fantasy.

And at the center of it all is Will, who is utterly stripped of romantic interest.

To be fair, he’s got other things on his mind. For half the season he’s slipping in and out of the Upside Down, and for the other half he’s possessed by a Shadow Monster, hiding in a corner of his own body. This leaves minimal time for dating. But the fact that he’s the only one too caught up in the supernatural for love is conspicuous in and of itself.

It’s an old fashioned kind of representation — queer characters exist, but they’re stripped of sexuality.

But that’s still preferable to no representation. In the final Snow Ball scene (which is, for the most part, deeply satisfying and utterly charming), everyone gets together to dance to The Police and show that all’s right with the world. And Will gets snapped up by a female classmate for reasons, it feels, of symmetry. The characters have paired off, and it’s obvious that Will has no one. Enter the placeholder girl.

Granted, Hawkins is a small town in 1984. Monsters and secret government agencies may be real, but even a middle school kid sure of his homosexuality is probably going to dance with a girl or two. The insertion of a random girl in the final look at our beloved characters might be, honestly, the most realistic choice.

But it still smacks of unnecessary straightwashing.

That being said, there’s plenty of room for this all to be fine. If Will does turn out to be gay, the hope is that he’ll get a single moment’s rest in the third season to explore that. Twice now he’s been at the center of the weirdness, the key to the involvement of the people around him. If it happens a third time, it risks drifting into the formulaic.

So maybe next year Will will get the chance to be more of a normal kid, and we can explore what it means to have an arguably central character who is, incidentally, gay.

No
 
Yeah, I always appreciate it when a show doesn't telegraph things with the cinematography, but I can count on one hand the shows that do it right.



*rates post optimistic*

I was kidding, mostly. The lack of reaction to Barb's death in the season one finale was a legitimate plot hole that they needed to address, and they did that.

You could be right about all that, and I hope you are. But this is Netflix's biggest show, and the pressure is going to be huge on them to keep the audience happy. And they've been very careful thus far about achieving an authentic 80s film feeling without making it too problematically authentic. So that worries me.
I think the duffer bros have some attachment to the four main boys, and I agree with @Secret Asshole, while you can see the pressure from Netflix in places (like the retarded diversity super homeless who all run around killing strangers because the magic Indian asked them to) the way they managed to work in all those influences didn't smack too hard of pandering. I wouldn't be surprised if it's setting up
A showdown where eleven has to choose between the Indian girl, using anger and having a butch haircut; and Hopper and Mike, using friendship/love and wearing a dress.

And I thought the scene with Nancy and Steve visiting barb's parents was only a little ham fisted (a photo of her in the bathroom? What, do they just sit on the toilet and sob through their bowel movements?) and surprisingly effective. Also, on a tangent, it is super weird seeing Brett from Eagleheart playing a non retarded person

Unfortunately, nobody came up with something for Elven to do. They had Hopper doing too much so they couldn't work on their relationship a lot (which is what I found most interesting out of the second season, honestly. You've got these two damaged people trying to become a little family and both fucking it up spectacularly.
Yeah I thought the same thing. You have this obviously broken cop who is trying to replace his dead daughter and a severely fucked up kid with powers she can't always control and daddy issues, that's a goldmine story-wise, but instead they spend most of their time apart and it ends with
Hopper adopting her, which probably means they'll be a "happy family" from now on.
What a waste :/
 
Keep the kid single, for fuck's sake. I'm sick of perfectly good shows in genres the complete opposite of romance getting bloated with all this sex drama shite.

Fuckin' losers practically annihilated every good scifi action fron the 80's with godawful sitcom will-they-won't-theys, quit doing it to a wannabe 80's scifi action!
 
Transdimensional beings are turning our fictional children gay!

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I loved Barb, and it was mostly because it allowed me to sit with the idea that any teen girl ever ended up dressing like that. I swear, there were Barbs that still looked like that 10, 15 years later.

I guaran-fucking-tee if they hadn't put her in mom jeans the internet would have never noticed and Season 2 would have been worse because Nancy and Justin would be lost like Eleven. You heard it here first: Mom jeans saved Season 2.

Keep the kid single, for fuck's sake. I'm sick of perfectly good shows in genres the complete opposite of romance getting bloated with all this sex drama shite.

Fuckin' losers practically annihilated every good scifi action fron the 80's with godawful sitcom will-they-won't-theys, quit doing it to a wannabe 80's scifi action!

To be fair, we're talking about the innocence of young love. Which doesn't really exist anymore in our society because of the thing we are currently on. And to be fair, will-they-or-won't-they was a HUGE component of 80s shit. Mostly with everyone getting blue balled. Or stretching it out forever.

I think the duffer bros have some attachment to the four main boys, and I agree with @Secret Asshole, while you can see the pressure from Netflix in places (like the exceptional diversity super homeless who all run around killing strangers because the magic Indian asked them to) the way they managed to work in all those influences didn't smack too hard of pandering. I wouldn't be surprised if it's setting up
A showdown where eleven has to choose between the Indian girl, using anger and having a butch haircut; and Hopper and Mike, using friendship/love and wearing a dress.

And I thought the scene with Nancy and Steve visiting barb's parents was only a little ham fisted (a photo of her in the bathroom? What, do they just sit on the toilet and sob through their bowel movements?) and surprisingly effective. Also, on a tangent, it is super weird seeing Brett from Eagleheart playing a non exceptional person


Yeah I thought the same thing. You have this obviously broken cop who is trying to replace his dead daughter and a severely fucked up kid with powers she can't always control and daddy issues, that's a goldmine story-wise, but instead they spend most of their time apart and it ends with
Hopper adopting her, which probably means they'll be a "happy family" from now on.
What a waste :/

The Multi-Cultural Indian Charlie Manson Serial Killer Hour was fucking terrible. "We are murdering evil people! Trust us, homeless people do the best and most correct research. So we're killing the right ones. Oh, don't mind my psychotic friends who are just hear for the robbery and occasional corpse rape. What's corpse rape Eleven? Hahaha, oh you are so funny! Your rural ways make us laugh. Cold blooded murder is great, isn't it? Look, we gave you a new style. What, you mean you DON'T want to stay with the homeless psychotic killers who get into firefights with innocent cops doing their jobs?! WELL FUCK YOU TOO THEN. I GAVE YOU EYESHADOW AND STONEWASHED JEANS YOU BITCH"

Story-wise, it only served to advance two things: That Eleven needed to get MAD to push her power level to 11 (see what I did there, i am writing genius) and that just like her brain-dead mom, it wasn't her home. You don't need a fucking episode to do either of those things.

My prediction is that:

The Indian chick will be a villain in that she's going to try and kill Hopper and all of her friends. But she's scared because she can't out-mind fuck Eleven. But what she can do is learn to contact the other side. Brenner is still alive and teaches Eight to reach the upside-down. She reaches out to the mind-flayer and allies herself with it. Because why the fuck not, who gives a shit about the hick town? She begins causing havoc with her fucked up friends, who enjoy her new powers. Unlike Will, she doesn't try and fight the thing. And eventually over the course of the series it eats more and more of her brain, and one by one she kills off her psycho friends. She grows more and more powerful.

It would serve as a thematic link between the 'Mind Flayer', Eight and Brenner. And also as a strong theme for the season: Revenge and its absolutely consuming nature. All three of them destroying/destroyed by it. This will contrast with Eleven who made a life for herself, leaving revenge behind. The themes will be Revenge and Redemption, with the three representing the former and Eleven representing the latter.

Eight will have an epiphany and complete the thematic circle to Redemption by sacrificing herself at the end/near the end after she's killed a lot of people. This might resolve the entire conflict with Eight/Brenner/Mindflayer, or just be a half-sacrifice, dealing with one threat (probably the mind-flayer), leaving the group to deal with the other (Brenner), who will fulfill the other end of the thematic circle: Being destroyed or utterly consumed by his revenge

I don't think they will make Eleven/Hopper a super happy family. I think they just got stuck with what to make her do because Hopper was essential to the main plot. They really should have worked harder on their relationship, at LEAST one bottle episode solely between Hopper and Eleven, arguably the two most important characters. You at least do get the feeling they care about each other (at least Hopper, because holy fuck that acting). With the year passing and Eleven coming out of hiding, there can be even more tension and drama, they can still mine all that shit. Also Hopper can be the drunk cop dad and threaten Mike if he hurts Eleven's feelings. ALSO, I just thought of a second direction they might go in:

Brenner is the big bad, and wants Eleven back. The theme of the season is fathers and how both can be corrupting and positive. So you have Hopper and Brenner being two opposites, with Eleven being caught in the middle. And its something her powers can't easily solve because maybe she just can't bring herself to kill Brenner for some reason. Maybe she's still petrified of him or even has twisted daughterly feelings still that she cannot resolve.

Eight will be brought in as a minor villain instead of the major villain, being twisted to use against Eleven.

The upside-down won't be as big a feature, it'll be more dramatic tension and shit. The Mindflayer will be the side-story instead and give the kids something to do. The show will center around Hopper, Brenner and Eleven. Just like this season centered around Joyce, Will and uh...Hopper (he's the best character so who gives a shit if the show centers around him again).

More on Hawkins lab and experiments will be revealed, more of the government as an enemy again. Paul Riser trying to help maybe. With Brenner as a center there's less to predict because we don't know what he's been up to.
 
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