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💬 Off-TopicDetransitioner/Desister Stories - People you know or heard about deciding to return to their original gender/sex
The FTC has opened a public forum on "gender affirming care" being ethical for minors. The FTC specifically states that they suspect people have been lied to, probably because of the number of teenage girls asking about when their boobs will grow back, how hormone treatment is 100% reversible and people like Jazz Jennings abusive mother telling him his penis wasn't supposed to be there since he was a baby so he never touched it and had to have part of his vagina made from his colon. Again it is public so get in there and tell the stories of everyone you know that is detrans or otherwise disillusioned by the tranny brigade that lied to them about what transitioning does to your body.
The FTC has opened a public forum on "gender affirming care" being ethical for minors. The FTC specifically states that they suspect people have been lied to, probably because of the number of teenage girls asking about when their boobs will grow back, how hormone treatment is 100% reversible and people like Jazz Jennings abusive mother telling him his penis wasn't supposed to be there since he was a baby so he never touched it and had to have part of his vagina made from his colon. Again it is public so get in there and tell the stories of everyone you know that is detrans or otherwise disillusioned by the tranny brigade that lied to them about what transitioning does to your body.
I trained my entire life work breaks for the past few years for this.
I tried capturing all 35 comments so far but either the website is wonky on mobile or I’m retarded or both so here’s what I could get. Right now, most are in favor of leaving “gender-affirming care” alone. Mad dog came through for the tomboys though.
A fun little project could be trying to find all of the pro-trans people on their state’s sex offender registry but that’s for another day.
This would peak even the most doddering elderly normie if that were done. Also: Do the same on stories about welfare, school lunch/breakfast/summer lunch and breakfast for kids people are too lazy to raise.
This would peak even the most doddering elderly normie if that were done. Also: Do the same on stories about welfare, school lunch/breakfast/summer lunch and breakfast for kids people are too lazy to raise.
You would think it would wake people up, but some are so indoctrinated that it doesn't matter to them. They make up excuses like "WELL THOSE AREN'T TRUE TRANS! THOSE ARE JUST POSERS!", "correlation =/= causation", "They incorrectly label transwxmxn groomers for trying to help trans kids figure out their gender", "This comes from a transphobic hate site", or "#NotAllTrans".
There already are statistic graphics on how SIGNIFICANTLY more common sex crimes are among MTFs, but a lot of them will write it off, because they don't want to face the reality of something that destroys their whole cultist belief system, especially if they've already sacrificed a lot to the cult, like career/family, because of sunk-cost fallacy.
Just look at all the idiots defending mass immigration from third world countries. Sex crime has increased 800% ever since the UK started mass immigrating third worlders, yet a lot of staunch libtards will still just call you racist for pointing it out and defend mass immigration. They value inclusivity, diversity, and "anti-racism" so much as virtue signalling signs that they are a "good person", that they will deny facts and statistics to protect their stances.
These Dime Squares contrarians are so funny. At least from the followers of red scare podcast - they hate regular trannies but love the ones that are 'alt and aesthetic' like Pariah the Doll and Ethel Cain. and when Pariah detrooned they thought it's a bad thing and that he's only doing it for conservative attention and therefore not cool anymore. (He is probably doing it for attention but it doesn't mean that being troon is good either)
That might have been true a few years ago, but detroons are pretty much all over the media now. Especially in political spaces. At this point, if someone hasn’t heard of them, they’re probably living under a rock.
They don't want to save you, they want to save other people going down your path. This may seem inhumane to you, but stopping people from hurting themselves is far more effective than treating them after they've already done it.
Once someone has medicalized, there really is no saving them. Detroon stories aren’t going to stop others from trooning out, and there will always be medical providers willing to meet their demands, no matter how much awareness there is around these cases. Unless laws restricting adult treatments are passed, as some places have begun doing for minors, the trend will just keep snowballing.
Eh, I don’t think that’s what they were getting at. It’s not really the job of detroons to save those who troon out. A lot of them are narcissistic and prone to trading one cult for another though.
Detroon stories aren’t going to stop others from trooning out, and there will always be medical providers willing to meet their demands, no matter how much awareness there is around these cases. Unless laws restricting adult treatments are passed, as some places have begun doing for minors, the trend will just keep snowballing.
I'm a bit more optimistic. Not enough people are aware of the dangers of trooning out because the information is still limited and what little there is is suppressed. More importantly, that suppression of information as well as the suppression of anti-troon sentiment is waning we'll see a return to normal sane values soonish. Though might still be 5-15 years out.
I'm a bit more optimistic. Not enough people are aware of the dangers of trooning out because the information is still limited and what little there is is suppressed. More importantly, that suppression of information as well as the suppression of anti-troon sentiment is waning we'll see a return to normal sane values soonish. Though might still be 5-15 years out.
It’s really not that detransioners make people who’d consider transitioning aware of the dangers, so much as most detransioners seem to be the ones that most people would think are actually trans and it highlights the ones who are left in the cult. When a butch lesbian or super gay man transitions and then takes it back, but not Aiden and Litlth who don’t even try to conform to their “gender”, that’s what raises eyebrows
I just wanted to say, I think detransers are brave* for standing their ground. I know they get clowned on a lot for "giving up," or even for "giving in" depending on the side, but I think you are all so amazing and I hope you find peace and love in the short time we have on this earth
Found this detransitioned lady who is distraught and suicidal about how her inept "trans health-care" providers failed to inform her about how roiding up would end up making her sound like Sponge-Bob (according to her own words):
Agree. This is a big issue in detrans spaces. They don't work the way typical trauma support groups would - in a standard support group people are screened carefully based off of what stage of processing they're in and what their trauma is so the entire group starts from a similar point and progresses at the same pace. In detrans spaces, you throw all stages into one forum: people that are just starting to peak, people in denial, troons who come in to argue with detransitioners and prove their "legitimacy". Those further along in processing then feel obligated to try to reason with these people. It's exhausting and I've seen some version of this in every open facing detrans support group. Peaked detrans women forced to argue with 40 year old AGPs in the "questioning" stage while they figure out their early childhood trauma.
Another day another sad r/detrans post. As a formerly sympathetic well-meaning liberal I also have a strong feeling of "I can't believe I fell for this."
I want to give some background on the male side of ROGD because it’s definitely real and it’s completely ruined me. This is gonna be a long one so buckle up.
When I was 15 I found out about trans people and became very fascinated by them via minecraft communities on discord. I was in a voice call on mute and a trans woman was in the call and had what to me sounded like a pretty convincing female voice. I instantly felt something and, I noticed a few of my friends in the call clearly also felt the same way and soon after changed the pronouns in their bio from “he” to “they“ or “she” or something not long afterwards. A few similar things happened and I noticed a ton of these guys were switching up to she/her pronouns and stuff - and although inside I kinda understood why, for whatever reason I never really questioned it. I was pretty fascinated by it and kinda realised why they felt that way. It was inexplicable but from that moment on I really resonated with it. I’d felt similarly my entire life from playing princess peach in mario kart as a kid, and lots of other times. It was just that thing in the background that was always there that I kind of cannoned in my head a lot of other guys kinda felt similarly about, but never bothered to engage with.
I never did anything. I kinda realised it was a bit stupid, and for whatever reason, didn’t think too hard about it from that point on. I read terf discourse and blanchardism and thought it was pretty much correct and thought it was kinda neat I had this insider look into this trans stuff. Transitioning seemed ridiculous, I went to an all male school and it felt wrong, weak, childish, terminally-online. It got worse when I was alone and better when around other people. I cast it aside as a maladaptive effect of lonliness and never looked back.
The next couple years were amazing. I found an amazing male friend group, I smashed my grades with one of the best in my country. I got back into football, passed my drivers test, went to parties, festivals, held my own parties. I kissed one or two girls at parties although never had any further romantic experiences. I knew I was this weird kinda effeminate person deep down and I was pretty scared of dating. I thought I’d be an awful boyfriend and I also knew I had atleast some feelings for men. I knew about meta attraction at this point and thought my attraction to men was a little fake, but ultimately I was a very happy young man.
This all changed in mid 2022. My grandpa died and, I became pretty miserable for a while. I ended up going back on discord and 4chan mainly out of boredom until I eventually discovered /lgbt/, the transgender board on 4chan. This completely changed everything.
I basically realised that some of these people who transitioned young could actually pass as women. Most of the trans people I’d thought about didn’t pass, and I also realised I imagined that original trans woman from discord as being non-passing. For whatever reason it just completely broke me. I can’t explain why but it’s just this total feeling of loss. This knowledge I can’t reverse my life and redo it killed me. I’d spent some time before this consuming terf content and detrans content and it seemed pretty convincing to me, but seeing actual trans people, people who I knew were like me, and their struggles made me feel awful. I vividly remember scrolling the top posts of 4tran and later 4tran4 and breaking down in tears seeing all the dysphoria art. It just struck a chord with me like nothing else ever had. I really really understood it.
I thought maybe I was that nerdy kid who tried to fit in who never really could. That I became cool and adjusted against my will and should have just listened to my heart like all the other trans girls. That I’d molded myself into someone I never had to be. That maybe if I had just talked to my mum, if I had just told her how much I was struggling from any number of things as a kid I could have been a more real person, instead of this phoney man I was vicariously living through in order to fit in. That I shouldn’t have listened to the terfs as a kid and just done what I wanted for once, like any normal kid who just follows what he wants.
Long story short I got on DIY HRT within about a month of finding that board, at 17. My country doesn’t offer HRT to minors and so I ordered homebrew hormones, with needles and syringes sourced off the web. I even bought some makeup and did a little, just for fun, and realised how much I loved it. I looked hideous, and had no idea what I was doing, and did all of this in my room, and hid the HRT from my family. I just realised that there was this whole world of conventional femininity that I knew deep down I wanted to have, but that because I was so old and masculinised, I never could persue.
I kept going to my all male school, hanging out with friends, even travelling across europe, whilst boymoding and taking hormones in the background. My dad eventually found the makeup, but not the hormones, and asked if I was transgender. I paused for a moment, and denied it. But then, for some reason, I showed him a photo of my face with makeup and his thinly veiled look of disgust haunts me to this day. He’ll never see me the same and I find it incredibly painful being around him because he probably sees that freak everytime he sees his son. I regret that so much. That’s the full extent my family found out about this.
I became very very bitter during this time in the run up to christmas. Why did girls get to be feminine and I was trapped playing pretend as a man all day? Is this gonna be my life forever?
Then, came the oxford entrance exam. Due to my dysphoria, and hormonal stress due to my non medically supervised DIY regime, I flunked the first test in my whole life and didn’t get into oxford, despite having the best grades in my whole selective school.
I was dead inside. Everyone was disappointed in me. I remember driving from the shops in the lunch break and each of my friends was in the car, and we all opened the acceptance email, except for me who didn’t get in and it was just this awkward silence. In the end I drove home that lunch break, in tears, at 90mph down the motorway. I very nearly died due to my own recklessness. I blamed myself and the fact Id taken estrogen and been consumed by this nonsense. My family tried to ask me if everything was okay and I just shrugged it off but god I knew I had ruined my dreams.
I stopped hormones immediately. I tossed all of them out, got rid of all the makeup, and blocked everyone I’d been talking to from 4tran without explanation. I entered a weird trance like state from this point on. I rarely talked to my friends, they distanced themselves from me. I spent every waking hour from that point on studying for my final high school exams. I aced my finals, the best in the school, but felt nothing. I still had gender dysphoria, and was tormented by all the brainworms I had learned about and the possibility of growing even taller or becoming even larger. but just felt this enormous sense of responsibility to be the very best imaginable and be a human academic weapon that could take over the entire world despite all of it. I became extremely paranoid. I thought everyone could see my slightly estrogenised skin and were laughing about me behind their back. I barely slept. I got very and dangerously drunk at times. I don’t remember much frankly but it was so stressful. It was probably the hardest period of my life. I kissed a man from school at a party in the back of his car during this period, in the summer, and remember really enjoying it but also just feeling so sick with shame the next morning. I worry he told all my friends and they see me differently now.
In the end I resat the exams, this time for Cambridge, and I got in, for physics. I got into my dream school, my family and friends celebrated me, but again I just felt nothing. None of it mattered anymore. I was living a broken life and all I thought about was getting back on hormones.
That’s exactly what I did. Around May, 2024, more than a year after ending hormones the first time I got back on. I stopped scrolling 4tran but started talking to my friends from back then. I never ordered any female clothes or makeup and remained boymoding in the closet. I felt relieved, but also saddened. I knew I wasn’t going to masculinise further but also that my life was certainly going to get worse from here on out. I just felt forced to. Uni started up in October of that year, and I remained on HRT throughout my whole first year. I smashed my finals but my social life plummeted. I also managed to get blood tests from a private clinic in this time, and was safely dosing, although even they didn’t know why I was really there. I told them I checking my levels for fatigue.
It was terrible. I spent most of the time inside, measuring myself. Trying to calculate just how massive I was. I saw myself in every mirror and flinched. I had very few friends, and none of them knew about me. I had a hookup with one guy on week 1, I told him about my HRT. He seemed fascinated but also a little weirded out understandably. He didn’t really understand why I was taking it, to my frustration. I haven’t spoken to him since and although he vowed to keep it secret - I worry he’s told everyone which is driving me mad.
In the summer of this year I ended up getting laser hair removal. I never told them why I was there but seeing the disgust in the eyes of the laser tech seeing a man getting laser made me feel terrible and I decided to stop getting it after 5 sessions and stop hormones, the latter of which I failed to do. It’s now the beginning of Second year, and well, I’m back to square 1. I’ve blocked all my friends from 4tran, I’ve deleted my old reddit account. I got rid of most of my HRT, all that’s left is a bottle of estrogel I got from Hong Kong over a year ago. When it runs out, I’ll have nothing to replace it. My family are worried about me, they still don’t know. I have no friends anymore. I joined men’s cross country and got into the orchestra this year which is nice. I did men’s rowing briefly last year but had to stop due to HRT making it impossible, and increasing upper body size making me dysphoric. But I just feel so lost. I know this stuff is killing me but I also know how tough it was detransitioning the first time. I know I have an addiction but it’s just so hard to cut off. I got very few HRT changes, in theory detransitioning is easy it’s just so difficult to let go.
I look back on photos of 17 year old me and I see a totally different person. I envy who I was before all this bullshit came. I envy when transition was just a joke for internet losers. I miss when I wasn’t dysphoric. I miss when I didn’t know my height and bideltoid width. I envy when I never knew about DIY HRT. I envy when I had hope for the future. I love my trans friends (all online, I have no irl trans friends) and relate to them enormously. I understand their struggle and I hope they make it one way or the other. Many of them wanna detransition just as much as I do but they’ve just found themselves consumed in this endless loop just like I did. I wish I could get a solid male friend group back and psyche myself back into that dissociated state from pre-HRT. To be clear, I’ve been presenting male and closeted this whole time. I have short hair.
I’m 20 and I ruined my first impressions at uni and lost my momentum. I’m addicted to a drug that castrates me and I never told a doctor. It’s all my fault. I should have either never got curious in the first place or transitioned and embraced femininity ASAP and transitioned young - I think I could have carved a somewhat decent life out of that. Instead I got the worst of both worlds. Addicted to the wrong hormone. I can’t tell anyone because they’d be ashamed of me and would never see me truly as a man again. Im not at all attracted to women anymore, atleast I don’t think, and I’m basically just a gay guy now - although Im really not - I’ve just induced androphilia from estrogen. I’m basically just asexual. I have no consistent sexuality. I have nothing to aim for. Conflicting body goals. It’s all broken. All of it. I don’t know what to feel when men or women flirt with me. I just want to run away. I envy all the normal people who know who they like and are comfortable in their own skin, male or female. I can feel the passing trans girls who transitioned younger than me laughing at me in my dreams. I can sense their sense of pride for seeing a non-passer like me have to cope in these detrans subs. It makes me feel so shitty.
Given I’m on estrogen I feel this distance with other men. I’m so different from them all now, and no closer to being a woman. I feel alone, scared. I worry for my health. I don’t know what my future will look like. I contemplate suicide regularly, I even bought poison off the internet a while back but cancelled the order the next morning - my degree is already hard enough to deal with and this is just way too much.
I dreamed of changing the world as a child and now all I want is to wake up tomorrow and feel like a normal person. I don’t know what my problem is or what gender I was truly meant to be but I know I’ll probably never escape this mess without some kind of loss. I feel I tried so hard as a child to run from my problems and cope via externalised success and it all came crumbling down way too late. I feel like most trans women were never men like I was, even if we are all male, and so they never felt that sense of loss of the parallel life my man self would be living right now.
I feel jealous of those who transitioned younger, even if they pass less, because in my head they were T-poisoned for less time than I was, and that’s what really kills me inside. Testosterone feels like poison.
I want to turn my life around but it’s so difficult. I wish I just never started hormones in the first place. I went through no screening and I payed the price. Maybe if I passed life would be easier but I doubt it. Half my friends from back then who had similar histories with hormones like me went on to pass and theyre still stuck on 4chan complaining about their lives. For us who didn’t transition as young children there is just no undoing this male self we became before hormones. We are that no matter how we look or act from then on. Our male facade just becomes what we are and then trying to hide from it becomes the facade.
I live a medicalised double life and see no good way out. I feel I was sold a lie that hormones would fix my disorder. I feel like trans people are in a kind of misery ponzi-scheme who know they are trapped in hell but want to get more people on hormones and diy-pill them to convince themselves they are doing the right thing. Maybe it’s all my fault and I should have transitioned as a younger child. Or maybe it’s my fault for convincing myself I was doing the right thing for boymoding and not sticking it out on T and being a normal dude. I don’t know what I am anymore. It’s easy to point out all the possible explanations for what I am and the obvious biological reality but it doesn’t make me any less alienated from other men or any less addicted or dysphoric. I’m an abomination atleast for whom people can instinctively tell something is wrong. A fake and a freak.
These are extremely-online 15-year-olds, and dude said he was 17 in 2022 so it was lockdown.
I think he wasn't describing one single session of CS:GO, but a longer process.
I agree with you though: this dude would not be saved by simply the absence of a ubiquitous troon subculture. His MTF/HRT arc might have been a heroin arc instead, though. Or if there was no online at all, maybe it would have been better. He got a meme stuck and has been using the extra clockcycles of his Physics sperg brain to spend years ruminating about it.
Agree. This is a big issue in detrans spaces. They don't work the way typical trauma support groups would - in a standard support group people are screened carefully based off of what stage of processing they're in and what their trauma is so the entire group starts from a similar point and progresses at the same pace. In detrans spaces, you throw all stages into one forum: people that are just starting to peak, people in denial, troons who come in to argue with detransitioners and prove their "legitimacy". Those further along in processing then feel obligated to try to reason with these people. It's exhausting and I've seen some version of this in every open facing detrans support group. Peaked detrans women forced to argue with 40 year old AGPs in the "questioning" stage while they figure out their early childhood trauma.
This is why the best detrans spaces are locked groups or chats with careful moderation. I've watched a few infiltrating troons try to join more open groups to harass detrans people by faking being detrans themselves, or having "questioners" come in and then pitch a fit about "microaggressions" and other dumb shit.
The best admins have tiered options where you can only join that subgroup on the basis of how long you've been a member, and your specific experiences. Women's spaces and men's spaces are obviously honoured as well, which is needed, because outside of if a man has had surgeries, the detrans experience is radically different on the medical end for women vs men. Testosterone is a hell of a drug that can do a lot mostly irreversible damage, and it tends to do it rapidly.
What a way to close out the month with a feel-good. I can’t wait for the full reckoning. The one thing about women that I genuinely appreciate, is their inexhaustible spite when they have been duped. Imagine the scores of ex-Pooners, many of them are still hopped up on T, exacting revenge on the whole industry.
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