Debate @steeel Billet on the merits of Fascism above all other systems. - If you know a capitalist, communist or socialist on the farms feel free to tag them over here so we can get their input

[Starefag]

In a Christian society that adheres closely to Christian ethics, there would be no corruption, as following the Christ means that you would never do something morally wrong

Which is insane because corruption exists in christian societies too.
Look at europe in the 1200's and beyond.
Lemme guess though, it wasn't *real Christendom* despite being oversaw by the pope, despite having clergy as one of the most respected positions in society, and despite kings getting authority from their writ of god?

 

[Tablet County]

In my opinion the problem isn't assuming good or bad intentions or psychological traits. Rather, it's a structural problem. Once interpretation and enforcement are undefined, the outcome depends on whoever is applying them at the time. The only two options are to accept that outcomes are determined by discretionary judgment rather than a general rule, or to provide such a rule. If it's the former, then there is no principled constraint on the use of violence, including against the person who's proposing the system. Otherwise, the question still needs to be answered.

I think it's clear from the content of OP's posts that he's already presupposed that the enforcement of violence will be tempered by Christian ethics, similarly to how a certain monarchist has stated that the absolute power of a monarch in a Christian monarchy wouldn't be abused because they have the higher ideal of Christianity to aspire to.

Which is insane because corruption exists in christian societies too.
Look at europe in the 1200's and beyond.
Lemme guess though, it wasn't *real Christendom* despite being oversaw by the pope, despite having clergy as one of the most respected positions in society, and despite kings getting authority from their writ of god?

Technically speaking, it is true that somebody who does something morally wrong while professing to be Christian isn't a Christian, because being a Christian is, by the original definition, someone who is like Christ. But the reality is that just because you follow a certain path doesn't mean you won't trip over your own feet, and using semantic arguments to divorce yourself from your own bad apples is frankly pharisaical, dare I say semitic.

Certain (I would even argue most) Christians tend to dismiss any sort of moral failings of one of their own by either excusing it ("we are all fallen") or dismissing it outright ("they weren't a real Scotsman"). This isn't unique to Christians of course, this is pretty standard in-group stuff, but on KF you tend to get exposed to a lot of Facebook Christians so I tend to notice it more and associate these things with them.

 

[Sneaky lurker]

Those require more thought.

It's a thread for you to explain your ideas, so please do.

I never actually claimed to be a fascist, I just put it as an example of a good ideology.

Then what is your preferred system? Theocracy?
You say the purpose of man is theological, not economic/productive, right? From what I gather you seem to be describing a country of monks. I don't think such societies ever existed outside of monasteries.
You should make a long post explaining your ideal society and how it would work out in the real world. We'd understand your ideas better that way.
Question: how would production/economy work in your ideal country? Would people be forced by the government to live as monks or humble farmers? Would profitable economic activity be banned? Would the government take care of allocating resources on behalf of the people?

 

[Drip Torch]

Honestly, the quality of people that try to advocate fascism to me doenst do any help in trying to sway me to their side. My tolerance for cringe manlets can only go so far.

 

[Carmen The Aids Rabbit]

Honestly, the quality of people that try to advocate fascism to me doenst any help in trying to sway me to their side. My tolerance for cringe manlets can only go so far.

Which is why it's hysterical when they say they want to use violence. This little nigglet would be swiftly dealt with and he knows it, which is why he likes to pretend he's accomplishing anything by posting about his pipe dream utopia on the fucking farms out of all places.

 

[Starefag]

Honestly, the quality of people that try to advocate fascism to me doenst any help in trying to sway me to their side. My tolerance for cringe manlets can only go so far.

"NO NO YOU SEE WHEN REAL FACISM HAPPENS PEOPLE LOSE ALL TENDENCIES TOWARDS PERSONAL WANT AND SERVE ONLY THE MONOLITHIC STATE"
versus
"NO NO BRO YOU SEE WHEN REAL COMMUNISM HAPPENS PEOPLE LOSE ALL WANT FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY AND HAPPILY SURRENDER THEIR EXCESS TO THE STATE"
Same DNA, because Mussolini was a communist.
Facism was a pipe dream that only worked during WW2 because of the desperation of the great depression. Any modern facist state needs outside support or some geopolitical niche (oil) to survive.

 

[Steel Billet]

emme guess though, it wasn't *real Christendom* despite being oversaw by the pope,

It quite literally wasn't because Catholicism is sect based fundamentally on heresy.

Certain (I would even argue most) Christians tend to dismiss any sort of moral failings of one of their own by either excusing it ("we are all fallen") or dismissing it outright ("they weren't a real Scotsman"). This isn't unique to Christians of course, this is pretty standard in-group stuff, but on KF you tend to get exposed to a lot of Facebook Christians so I tend to notice it more and associate these things with them.

I think your understanding of the Faith is retarded. If what a person does goes against The Word, why would any logical person consider the person a representative of The Word?

Which is why it's hysterical when they say they want to use violence. This little nigglet would be swiftly dealt with and he knows it, which is why he likes to pretend he's accomplishing anything by posting about his pipe dream utopia on the fucking farms out of all places.

I never claimed that I was accomplishing anything.
A lof of assumptions of what I believe, and then attempts to refute my supposed beliefs.
I'm going to answer the serious questions later. Thanks for listening to my niggerbabble aryanspeech.

 

[Tablet County]

It quite literally wasn't because Catholicism is sect based fundamentally on heresy.

Oh a slav. The niggers of whitedom.

I think your understanding of the Faith is retarded. If what a person does goes against The Word, why would any logical person consider the person a representative of The Word?

See I've been told that church is something of an infirmary for the spiritually ill, not a house of the perfect chosen ones. But I suppose by this that what I was told is wrong and only those perfected-upon-Earth are the real Christians.

I never claimed that I was accomplishing anything.

You don't have to claim to do something in order to do something. You're attempting to convince people of the validity of your belief in the superiority of fascism, of which you appear to have tenuous grasp of to begin with.

A lof of assumptions of what I believe, and then attempts to refute my supposed beliefs.

I haven't really refuted anything, just mostly insulted you because it's funny.

I'm going to answer the serious questions later.

You could've just answered them right away and ignored the "non-serious" questions.

Thanks for listening to my niggerbabble.

Glad I could be of service.

 

[Starefag]

It quite literally wasn't because Catholicism is sect based fundamentally on heresy.

No one cares about your fucking book club disputes. And even fucking THEN
Tsarist Russia was so fucking bad it created communism in revolt. So clearly orthodoxy isn't doing you fucks any favors.
Let me guess though, the Tsars, who were a monarchy family. Who had the blessing of their orthodox priests, where ALSO not real Christians?

Define fascism, right now. Your definition of the superior system.

Also, didn't Jesus himself say that "My Kingdom is not of this world"? Isn't the very idea of merging heavenly and stately authority folly?

 

[Fat Camp Intern]

I just want to say- I have no idea what's going on here or what is even being argued, but I'm so glad I'm not part of it.

Fuck the commies. That is all.

 

[Dendyy]

There is only one true Faith, one which continues the line of apostolic succession.

Oh, Mormonism. Got it.

 

[Wilson The Ball]

I just want an ethnostate. No one that isn't white is allowed in save for tourism, international dealings, the usual. At this point I couldn't care if it's capitalist, communist, fascist, whatever. So long as I never see another nigger or hear "Me no speakee English, Señor." No immigration from countries that are brown on any basis. Refugees? Blow the boats up. The Saudis can refuse them, so can we. Just make it illegal to not be white- that's all I ask for

 

[Steel Billet]

Do not fret, dear readers, I will respond to all questions, and I'm not ignoring them. I just need some time to think about them.