Debate Local Farmer and StarkRavingMad about Christianity and churches

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Frankly I don't understand why even be Catholic at that point. The Pope is cucked, the clergy is cucked, a significant portion of Catholics are cucked and the Church is actively encouraging the invasion of western nations with rabble. Why even call yourself a Catholic then? Who's the cuck if you're willing to put up with all that bullshit?
 
Frankly I don't understand why even be Catholic at that point. The Pope is cucked, the clergy is cucked, a significant portion of Catholics are cucked and the Church is actively encouraging the invasion of western nations with rabble. Why even call yourself a Catholic then? Who's the cuck if you're willing to put up with all that bullshit?
Because Every line of this is objectively True and an Individual’s politic opinions have no weight on it. Nothing the Pope has said is in direct contradiction to this.

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen
 
Frankly I don't understand why even be Catholic at that point. The Pope is cucked, the clergy is cucked, a significant portion of Catholics are cucked and the Church is actively encouraging the invasion of western nations with rabble. Why even call yourself a Catholic then? Who's the cuck if you're willing to put up with all that bullshit?
Probably sunk cost fallacy in an ideological, social and, more concretely, financial form.
"I'm gonna TIIITHE. I'M TIIIIIIIITHING."

Pope doesn't deserve your money.
 
No, I’m pointing out how she will attack Bishops, The Pope and fellow Catholics but mysteriously will defend Donald Trump when he posts blatant blasphemy.
I'm saying your Bishops are weak and have betrayed you. Your Pope is a hydra head of Satan. Trump did nothing wrong. It's not your fault Catholicism is one of the most cucked religions in modern history, but it is your choice to continue to support it in the face of cuckoldry. Eventually, that support becomes defense.

Well, unfortunately the people who came after him did a shitty job. This is like the 3rd time in mostly modern history that Catholicism has had these issues. You can't blame people for abandoning the Faith and disavowing heretical Popes. It's happened before and it will happen again. It is not a testament to God, or their faith, but rather a testament to the weaknesses the system of Catholicism has to contend with. It's very easily corruptible. It happens. Our lives are brief though. We don't have time to support a broken system that we can't fix in our lifetimes. Some people will dedicate themselves to fixing it. Others will not. They will practice religion in a way that better suits them.
 
I'm saying your Bishops are weak and have betrayed you. Your Pope is a hydra head of Satan. Trump did nothing wrong. It's not your fault Catholicism is one of the most cucked religions in modern history, but it is your choice to continue to support it in the face of cuckoldry. Eventually, that support becomes defense.
Why is cuckolding the only thing on your mind? Once or twice I get because it’s the internet but it’s starting to get strange how you see cuckoldry everywhere
You can't blame people for abandoning the Faith and disavowing heretical Popes.
I actually can because the Pope isn’t heretical. If the Pope was heretical, then Jesus Christ lied and the gates of Hell have prevailed against his Church and I would no longer be Christian. He has shitty opinions, but if they Confess one week that they believe in

“I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.“

And then abandon the church the next week because a Pope gave a bad opinion, Then they are either liars or cowards.
They will practice religion in a way that better suits them.
I don’t want a religion that suits me, I want to experience the fullness of the Truth of Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross, which is through the Mass offered by the Roman Catholic Church. Yes it will Challenge me, but the Truth is also challenging
 
I don't think Jesus ever preached that he wanted a singular high pontiff speaking His name out of one side of their mouth and self serving lies out of the other who pursues power in worldly matters to the detriment of Christ's faithful.
 
Why is cuckolding the only thing on your mind?
It's the only word that accurately describes the Catholic Church.

I actually can because the Pope isn’t heretical. If the Pope was heretical, then Jesus Christ lied and the gates of Hell have prevailed against his Church and I would no longer be Christian.
Are you for fucking real or just retarded? The Pope and the concept of, is SOLELY responsible for the existence of SEVERAL SEPARATE RELIGIONS. The Pope has split the fucking Catholic Church COUNTLESS times. The Pope has been the single most contested practice of every Christian-like sect of religion in all of fucking HISTORY. People have started wars and killed each other multiple times over the mere idea of the fucking Pope.

At this point, if you don't at least understand that the concept of a mere man being an Archon of God's Voice is at minimum, controversial, then I don't know what to tell you. You're beyond reason and help if that's the case.


I would no longer be Christian. He has shitty opinions, but if they Confess one week that they believe in “I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.“ And then abandon the church the next week because a Pope gave a bad opinion, Then they are either liars or cowards.
So you're saying every other religion that chose to abandon and splinter from the church and disavow the Pope are cowards?

I think quite a few KiwiFarmers might have a fucking issue with that.

Yes it will Challenge me, but the Truth is also challenging
So when the Pope does Heretical things that Jesus would chastise, we should just turn the other cheek. Got it.
 
Are you for fucking real or just retarded? The Pope and the concept of, is SOLELY responsible for the existence of SEVERAL SEPARATE RELIGIONS. The Pope has split the fucking Catholic Church COUNTLESS times. The Pope has been the single most contested practice of every Christian-like sect of religion in all of fucking HISTORY. People have started wars and killed each other multiple times over the mere idea of the fucking Pope.
lol calm down
So you're saying every other religion that chose to abandon and splinter from the church and disavow the Pope are cowards?
Not what I said at all, cradle Protestants/Orthodox who live and die outside the Church obviously don’t apply to this scenario.
So when the Pope does Heretical things that Jesus would chastise, we should just turn the other cheek. Got it.
What heretical things? Helping the poor, hungry and needy? Because that’s the point of contention here.

So why is your religion, established 1000/1500 years after Christ True? Or are you happy so long as I am not Catholic?
 
Nice heresy.
Catholicism is entirely based on heresy. First, the alteration of the creed, then indulgences, then papal infalibility, on an on with new "innovations" until we reach the state of the catholic "church" today.
If the Pope was heretical, then Jesus Christ lied and the gates of Hell have prevailed against his Church
The True Church is still alive and the gates of hell have not prevailed against it. Catholicism though...
 
Nice heresy.
Catholicism is entirely based on heresy. First, the alteration of the creed, then indulgences, then papal infalibility, on an on with new "innovations" until we reach the state of the catholic "church" today.
As we all know: the Filioque leads to all evil except for that time we all agreed to it at the council of Florence but that doesn’t count

Edit so I don’t double post: Honestly, if this just going to descend into a general Christianity debate thread then I have no real interest to respond. There’s better places to argue it on here and I’ve said pretty much everything I wanted to say to @StarkRavingMad .
 
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