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DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups
Gillespie's version of the film would have probably been completely mid 6/10 movie. It still had the terrible casting (thanks to Gunn) and a bad script (thanks to Gunn) but given Gillespie is a basically competent, if gay, director so he likely was able to pull it over the finish line into watchable.
But with James Gunn in complete control you have the entire thing cratered down from a 6 to a 2. Remember James Gunn is the final decider on everything and is the reason everything released from DC has been troonslop grool.
Early box-office estimates for this weekend have supergirl falling from 2nd to 4th place, with Minions, Toy Story 5, and Young Washington all completely raping it at the box office.
I'll tell you h'what... If Gunn rebooted watchmen it wouldn't be as visually stunning as what Snyder did, but it would be a better shorter movie.
Imagine the sandwiches at Snyder's house. Meat cuts as thick as the bread slices. And he wouldn't use that American sponge bread that's delicious... He'd use some thick, crusty artisan homemade bread, with homemade butter and only those chunky Jew salts. It'll be delicious, but he'll demand you to eat all of them when you can only stomach 2.
No. Regardless of whether or not the merger goes through Warner Brothers are desperate for high profile D.C. releases even if they fail. It's more about making the D.C. brands stand out compared to HBO or Harry Potter or the other Discovery properties and brands. They've had more bombs than successes. And more mega bombs than box office hits. Their strategy is simply keeping the brands in the news and in theaters every month even if the films are complete dogshit and lose money. Some examples.
- Justice League lost about $60 million.
- Jonah Hex was a colossal bomb that failed so badly that it made just $500K in territories outside of the U.S. in theaters.
- Watchmen was not profitable as Fox and Paramount got a considerable chunk of the movie.
- Birds of Prey fell $100 million short of its needed theatrical totals to make profit.
- Wonder Woman 1984 probably took in $150 million in losses for Warner Brothers.
- The Suicide Squad went to streaming early and wiped out its box office numbers and therefore bombed.
- Black Adam was $50 million short of its projected break-even point.
- Shazam! bombed at theaters and made no impact in home media.
- The Flash had Ezra Miller go nuts during the promotional tour and that movie lost $100 million easily.
- Blue Beetle is one of the lowest grossing D.C. films and basically vanished after leaving theaters.
- Aquaman 2 was a huge loser despite the first being a box office hit.
- Supergirl is projected to lose at least $125 million. Which likely eats all of the previous Superman film's profits and more.
- Joker 2 saving the best for last is a $200 million loser that had one of the largest comic book movie marketing budgets.
Wait, supposedly they hadn't released a Batgirl movie, so what happened there? Isn't that supposed to be a non-starter at DC?
Likewise, we have Netflix releasing anything and everything, like 20 episodes of Golpe. I mean, no matter how bad and awful HBO's Velma was, being a grotesque product in itself, you can't expect it to be canceled after 10 episodes because it always turns out to be the minimum of 20 episodes plus "a special." Damn it, that's in the average Netflix contract. Anyone with half a brain would say, "Well, the crap we produced cost us a lot of money to waste." If it turned out bad, let it turn out bad.
I would tell you that it wouldn't just be that but also the merchandise, but the guys who strongly defend Superman and Supergirl tell you that "It's not about selling but about hope," even ridiculing the simple fact that technically more people saw Man of Steel than Superman 2025.
I have my doubts if that collaboration was a hint of "The Fusion," but with the Lanterns themselves, the costume design decisions seem strange to me. We won't see the green suits very soon, and it will only be Green Lantern because of the ring itself, that's until "further along the plot" of the series or the universe.
Gillespie's version of the film would have probably been completely mid 6/10 movie. It still had the terrible casting (thanks to Gunn) and a bad script (thanks to Gunn) but given Gillespie is a basically competent, if gay, director so he likely was able to pull it over the finish line into watchable.
But with James Gunn in complete control you have the entire thing cratered down from a 6 to a 2. Remember James Gunn is the final decider on everything and is the reason everything released from DC has been troonslop grool.
Early box-office estimates for this weekend have supergirl falling from 2nd to 4th place, with Minions, Toy Story 5, and Young Washington all completely raping it at the box office.
The Snyder fans I know keep bothering me about how they "argue about things" like the Batman pizza. It's not like they should have any empathy for the Snyderverse fans I have in Latin America (they're idiots too).
This kind of merchandise is hideous; it looks like a horrible foreskin, and it's supposed to be "for the general public." This was the most reasonable version of "Batman's pizza." I mean, the new DCU universe was supposed to do things right.
Oh my god, I feel like Gunn sold me false expectations of "We'll have quality" that would be pure smoke and mirrors.
The Snyder fans I know keep bothering me about how they "argue about things" like the Batman pizza. It's not like they should have any empathy for the Snyderverse fans I have in Latin America (they're idiots too).
This kind of merchandise is hideous; it looks like a horrible foreskin, and it's supposed to be "for the general public." This was the most reasonable version of "Batman's pizza." I mean, the new DCU universe was supposed to do things right.
Superman plays nice with China, New 52 Superman in his last days let them clone him and didn’t kill the abomination in the womb. Superman let a commie regime clone him, the strongest thing on the planet. When the right thing to do would be to kill the thing.
Regular Supes speaks Kenan’s “language” and of course the little knockoff never speaks English.
I’d pay good money for Superman to whoop their gay monkey god.
I would tell you that it wouldn't just be that but also the merchandise, but the guys who strongly defend Superman and Supergirl tell you that "It's not about selling but about hope," even ridiculing the simple fact that technically more people saw Man of Steel than Superman 2025.
Correct. And this is something that is rarely discussed in trade media about the movie industry. That these big blockbuster releases that fail often have massive losses in merchandise. Star Wars recent properties have contributed to entire landfills of craps toys and products. Who knows how much Supergirl and Flash chink factory made junk is just deteriorating in garbage dumps.
DC and Marvel both have a problem with villains and their powers, they all lack the ability to wrap their heads around powers that aren't just "bigger beams " or "stronger punch", and while those can work, what makes a villain terrifying and capitivating is actions, motivations, and powers that are outside of convention and require something to be overcome.
For this, they should look to the Nips, who regularly think up whacky, offbeat, terrifying and interesting powers and motivations for villains.
for instance some of the main villains of RE:Zero all have powers most direct confrontation would be difficult with and would be interesting for hero's to work around, to highlight Regulus Corneas has the ability to "stop" anything he is touching including himself, this make shim completely and totally invincible, NOTHING can harm him, he requires no food, no oxygen, no anything, he is perfectly "stopped" and always in perfect condition, no amount of physical or magical abilites can harm him.
Being invincible isn't the end, he can "stop" anything he touches, air, water the ground, any object, any object he stops is no longer affected by inertia, gravity, or physical resistances of any kind, meaning if he kicks sand, and stops it, it will fly forward without limit and tear anything in that direction like a godly shotgun blast, apart, until it "restarts" some seconds/minutes later, which is way more than enough for it to go many hundreds of miles.
This means no matter how much Superman punches him or what any of them could do to him he'd never be harmed, to offset this, he's incredibly bad at fighting and is narcissi tic to a degree that can't be overstated, he believes everything belongs to him (he's the archbishop of Greed)
Why DC and Marvel writers and movie makers can't come up with unique powers like this, I'll never know, some Nip did it for a villain that shows up in exactly 1 real arc of his story and is a more unique power than anything from the MCU or DCU's I've seen.
Superman plays nice with China, New 52 Superman in his last days let them clone him and didn’t kill the abomination in the womb. Superman let a commie regime clone him, the strongest thing on the planet. When the right thing to do would be to kill the thing.
Regular Supes speaks Kenan’s “language” and of course the little knockoff never speaks English.
I’d pay good money for Superman to whoop their gay monkey god.
Jaja yaeh, So, Ares and Poseidon already exist as personalities of Wonder Woman and Aquaman... although that "problem" only exists in our imagination when the Joker goes to Metropolis to be humiliated by Superman, or when Batman interferes in the stories of other DC heroes, just like Hulk sneaking into other movies even though he barely has his own MCU trilogy.
I mean, a lot of talk about "Last Son of Krypton," but there's no problem with other powers cloning him, knowing how messed up it would be, simply because they can do it.
DC and Marvel both have a problem with villains and their powers, they all lack the ability to wrap their heads around powers that aren't just "bigger beams " or "stronger punch", and while those can work, what makes a villain terrifying and capitivating is actions, motivations, and powers that are outside of convention and require something to be overcome.
For this, they should look to the Nips, who regularly think up whacky, offbeat, terrifying and interesting powers and motivations for villains.
More reasons why Batman is relatively the best DC Comics franchise: the simple fact that its villains have more motifs, lore, and a wider variety of methods and powers would be too "fanciful" for the rest of the series. Anyone could just power-scale "X anime character" against Superman.
I feel that Superman himself limited DC because the universe became filled with Superman clones, both metaphorical and literal. This also affects Marvel, considering that the rogues' gallery they have—Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk, and others—is quite limited in themes beyond "the hero theme, evil clones of the protagonists, and villains of other heroes." Then we have Punisher and his small rogues' gallery beyond "Batman to kill this week." Spider-Man and Batman's rogues' galleries aren't as full of evil spies, nor are they limited to their "spider" and "detective" themes.
Correct. And this is something that is rarely discussed in trade media about the movie industry. That these big blockbuster releases that fail often have massive losses in merchandise. Star Wars recent properties have contributed to entire landfills of craps toys and products. Who knows how much Supergirl and Flash chink factory made junk is just deteriorating in garbage dumps.
Of course, there were also the overhead costs of merchandise licensing, advertising, and other expenses, which ironically could end up costing more than the film itself. This might make Superman seem like a low-budget project compared to what, according to "sources," "just the film" cost.
why not? its purely a talk about villains and their powers and what makes them villainous, and RE:Zero does that pretty well in a vacuum (to be fair I actually like the show, but I didn't expect others to do so).
All the major villains have pretty unique powers in that setting, alot of them trump some aspect pretty hard, some less over powered than others, and to be clear, villains don't have to have overbearingly overpowerd abilities, I just wish they had BETTER abilities, the Gluttony Archbishop in that show having the ability to "eat" someone's name and memories from the world on physical contact is pretty unique but hardly OP.
Instead in DC and Marvel, the big bad generally shoots a better beam or punches harder than the cast, at least with Loki he relied on tricks more than brute force I guess.
Superman plays nice with China, New 52 Superman in his last days let them clone him and didn’t kill the abomination in the womb. Superman let a commie regime clone him, the strongest thing on the planet. When the right thing to do would be to kill the thing.
Regular Supes speaks Kenan’s “language” and of course the little knockoff never speaks English.
I’d pay good money for Superman to whoop their gay monkey god.
Neither fit for rogues. Thor is portrayed as protective of humans while Sun Wukong has his moment, he is going to do the right thing by the end. Both however have had opponents that would be decent WW rogues.
Neither fit for rogues. Thor is portrayed as protective of humans while Sun Wukong has his moment, he is going to do the right thing by the end. Both however have had opponents that would be decent WW rogues.
Remember when Moviebob threw a huge tantrum about Gunn getting sacked by Disney and launched a #RehireJamesGunn campaign on X and delusionally thought his tantrum worked when Disney rehired Gunn?
I bet he’ll do another one like that if and when Gunn gets sacked by Paramount.
If you all want context, here’s some videos. Disclaimer: your spine will get cringed out.
This was when he was smug and gleeful after Disney rehired Gunn.
Superman has a bad track record against Greek gods overall.
He does fine with New Gods, and most of the time can even do 1 vs 1 against Darkseid. But he has lost more than won against Zeus.
Snyderverse? Zeus had an easier time with the motherbox than him, In the DCAU Hades whooped his ass, Justice League action's Superman lost against a Lex Luthor with the power of Zeus, in Injustice he also needed High father to rescue him from Zeus. Socialist Superman also lost against full Greek god Wonder Woman.
The one exception I can think of is new 52 Superman defeating Apollo.
People like to push the idea superheroes are the new myths. But people seem adamant that the new ones can't beat the old ones. I would personally like it to be the opposite for that reason.
He does fine with New Gods, and most of the time can even do 1 vs 1 against Darkseid. But he has lost more than won against Zeus.
Snyderverse? Greek gods had an easier time with the motherbox than him, In the DCAU Hades whooped his ass, Justice League action he lost against a Lex Luthor with the power of Zeus, in Injustice he also needed High father to rescue him from Zeus.
People like to push the idea superheroes are the new myths. But people seem adamant that the new ones can't beat the old ones. I would personally like it to be the opposite for that reason.
its more that the power systems in western comics are rather arbitrary, sure there are vague bulletpoint outlines of which class of hero is stronger, and at least with marvel they stick with it pretty well, but on DC they cannot decide if Superman is a godly figure or not, in Final Crisis Superman is the last thing to exist in the entire fucking Universe somehow, and whistles Darkseid away and makes the perfect wish on the wish machine to fix everything, but he can get walloped by a Greek God, but then also sometimes bow up on Darkseid (but honestly he's way weaker than him lol).
Remember when Moviebob threw a huge tantrum about Gunn getting sacked by Disney and launched a #RehireJamesGunn campaign on X and delusionally thought his tantrum worked when Disney rehired Gunn?
I bet he’ll do another one like that if and when Gunn gets sacked by Paramount.
