DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

Ask any random people in the street and that's what they will tell you

A random normie would say Superman or Spider-Man. Only turbo autists know or even care about Batman's lame nerd rule about killing. "But he's so PSYCHO that he knows if he kills even one guy he'll become the ULTIMATE UNSTOPPABLE KILLER."

Going off on a tangent here, but Adam West Batman not killing people makes sense because it's a light-hearted family friend version of the character. Same with the old kid cartoon or Batman & Robin. But him having a no-killing rule in the modern era is just dumb when they keep trying to make him as edgy and dark as possible. Those debates about why doesn't he just kill the Joker if he keeps escaping ring even truer when it's taken out of the comic book soap opera world and put into something like The Batman where Bruce is the edgiest boi who ever edged. Why would that version of Batman not kill someone he knows is going to kill innocent people again?

I guess what I'm saying is Batman is a dumb character for children. He's a grown adult wearing a bat costume who fights crime with gadgets. There is no way to ever make him into a serious character unless you drop the bat angle, at which point he's just a random vigilante from any '80s action movie. Batman Forever is the only movie that really got it right: a serious take on the character without losing the cheesy comic book tone that lets goofball characters in costumes exist in a believable world.

 

[Thorpy Kamen]

A random normie would say Superman or Spider-Man. Only turbo autists know or even care about Batman's lame nerd rule about killing. "But he's so PSYCHO that he knows if he kills even one guy he'll become the ULTIMATE UNSTOPPABLE KILLER."

Going off on a tangent here, but Adam West Batman not killing people makes sense because it's a light-hearted family friend version of the character. Same with the old kid cartoon or Batman & Robin. But him having a no-killing rule in the modern era is just dumb when they keep trying to make him as edgy and dark as possible. Those debates about why doesn't he just kill the Joker if he keeps escaping ring even truer when it's taken out of the comic book soap opera world and put into something like The Batman where Bruce is the edgiest boi who ever edged. Why would that version of Batman not kill someone he knows is going to kill innocent people again?

I guess what I'm saying is Batman is a dumb character for children. He's a grown adult wearing a bat costume who fights crime with gadgets. There is no way to ever make him into a serious character unless you drop the bat angle, at which point he's just a random vigilante from any '80s action movie. Batman Forever is the only movie that really got it right: a serious take on the character without losing the cheesy comic book tone that lets goofball characters in costumes exist in a believable world.

Call me a Normie, but Batman killing seems like an open door for any writer to turn him into such a ridiculously evil and "edgy" psychopath. Normies think that if Batman kills (for example, the Joker), he'll literally become "just another murderer." I mean, look at the damn Power Rangers, blowing up a monster every episode because "they're just generic monsters." Regardless of the context, the Rangers blow up the weekly monster, and Batman will just stick to the same serial killers like the Joker, Dr. Pig, Black Mask, and other bastards who've taken dozens of lives.

I mean, the "No killing" thing might apply to thieves who can redeem themselves, but it becomes ridiculous when it comes to psychopaths who kill people en masse for sadistic fun.

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

I've mentioned this before but I don't think Wonder Woman should carry a sword, period. Her traditional weapons are lasso, tiara and bracelets and they are all defensive. Her entire shtick is love and redemption. If anything a good way to differentiate her from Batman and Superman and pull her away from boring "warrior woman" stereotypes would be to make her the least willing to resort to lethal force and be extremely distraught over it. As it is, all three of them have killed people anyway.

Nigga you sound like you haven't read a Wonder Women comic in the last 25 fucking years, she's been using a Sword since I was like 9, and is THE most likely to kill someone, most famously Maxwell Lord, where she cut the Gordian Knot on a really fucked situation with a simple snap.

ANOTHER DC Superhero Woe-betiding killing is the last fucking thing we need, the entire setting is full of the most moral busybodies about it.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

I am not trying to be an asshole, or a contrarian with you, I think you have made some great points in the past, and I have agreed with you. I hope we can disagree in a respectful civil way.

Not implying you were, think we're being pretty civil so far. I can come across as abrasive sometimes but rest assured it wasn't intended to insult.

That being said, You misunderstand me.

You said that people would be pissed over Batman killing people. I pointed out that Batman has done so in almost every single one of his films and nobody really cared.

The point is again, " Who the general public knowns as having a strict no kill" rule. That's Batman. Ask any random people in the street and that's what they will tell you.

The thing is, I actually have done this experiment. A bunch of my most normie friends and people in my social circle who are more aware of superheroes than the rest and even they don't see Batman killing people as some inviolable part of his character. The average person in the general audience not only doesn't care about that, I've found that some of them outright think that Batman has superpowers.

Not really because a warrior is just something you do whereas a personality is who you are. Xena ended up being liked just fine for example.

What you do informs who you are. In Wonder Woman's case, having her be some sword-swinging warrior princess strips away the very few elements that make her unique compared to other female characters. Xena is a very different character whose entire shtick is redemption for being a horrible person in the past.

The "no killing" rule itself wouldn't make Batman any less Batman; it all depends on the format. If it's film, he might end up killing the villain of the day to close the movie, which is more of a very special exception, and in some cases, the more "secondary" villains among the main ones end up dead or in Arkham.

If Batman is killing people and it doesn't make Batman any less "Batman" then that just proves my point, doesn't it nerd?

Limiting the general knowledge of Batman to the movies is crap.

I am not which is why I pointed out that Batman has killed in the comics as well.

Nigga you sound like you haven't read a Wonder Women comic in the last 25 fucking years, she's been using a Sword since I was like 9, and is THE most likely to kill someone, most famously Maxwell Lord, where she cut the Gordian Knot on a really fucked situation with a simple snap.

I am perfectly aware of what DC has been doing with Wonder Woman and my entire point is that it's dumb and boring and makes no sense with her backstory.

ANOTHER DC Superhero Woe-betiding killing is the last fucking thing we need, the entire setting is full of the most moral busybodies about it.

Nigga if you wanna complain about superheroes having reservations about killing at the drop of a hat, pick another entertainment medium.