DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

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I've mentioned this before but I don't think Wonder Woman should carry a sword, period. Her traditional weapons are lasso, tiara and bracelets and they are all defensive. Her entire shtick is love and redemption. If anything a good way to differentiate her from Batman and Superman and pull her away from boring "warrior woman" stereotypes would be to make her the least willing to resort to lethal force and be extremely distraught over it. As it is, all three of them have killed people anyway.

"But she was raised in a culture of warrior Amazons!"

And the Amazons in DC are nothing like the historical Amazons and as they were originally conceived, they were essentially a nation of women who viewed Man's World with disdain because they perceived it to be brutish and violent and incapable of achieving true peace. Hell there are real life people and entire organizations who practice martial discipline while being essentially sworn to pacifism. And it would actually do wonders, pun intended, for WW's character to actually have her defy the stereotype that most people would immediately associate with her due to the "born on an island of Amazon warriors" deal.
 
Hades has patience. Everyone dies. If he has any complains, he can talk to you when it is time. He doesn't involve himself unless others force him. Otherwise, he is the second nicest of the Olympians. Asclepius did the one thing you should never do: Get people out of the Underworld without permission.
Who is the first nicest of the Olympians?
 
I personally believe he’ll be gone the moment the ink dries on the Paramount-Warner Bros. There’s no way Ellison would allow Gunn to fuck around and jack up the company’s debt.

Gunn has said repeatedly on X that he will not work with the Ellisons and he has put his faith in the french government blocking the merger.

So he will be gone next year.
 
or, and hear me out, what if she's topless and has her tiddies out all the time
I think it could make some money
Don't be ridiculous. We already have Negative Wonder Woman for that.
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If anything a good way to differentiate her from Batman and Superman and pull her away from boring "warrior woman" stereotypes would be to make her the least willing to resort to lethal force and be extremely distraught over it.

Sounds good in theory. But I would argue Batman already covers that niche.

His no kill rule is so engrained in people's minds, he is usually the most likely to object to lethal force or even extreme measures. In the DCAU, he complained about Superman sending Doomsday to the Phantom Zone for example.

It would be very hard for Diana to top the guy that has consistently refused to put down murderers and monsters like Joker. She would only be different from Bruce if she became even more extreme, and Bruce already sparks debates for letting Joker live, or if Bruce was willing to be more lethal which is also an issue.

If you think of the "no kill rule" hero, you think of Batman.
 
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Sounds good in theory. But I would argue Batman already covers that niche.

His no kill rule is so engrained in people's minds, he is usually the most likely to object to lethal force or even extreme measures. In the DCAU, he complained about Superman sending Doomsday to the Phantom Zone for example.

It would be very hard for Diana to top the guy that has consistently refused to put down murderers and monsters like Joker. She would only be different from Bruce if she became even more extreme, and Bruce already sparks debates for letting Joker live, or if Bruce was willing to be more lethal which is also an issue.

If you think of the "no kill rule" hero, you think of Batman.
I don't really agree, Batman has been shown to be quite flexible in icing guys if the situation truly demands it. Both him and Superman don't want to kill but I'd argue that there is nothing inherent to their backstory which demands them to be absolute pacifists. By comparison Wonder Woman's entire stated mission in leaving Themyscira is to bring peace and love to Man's World. It simply does not make sense for her to be so casual about murder compared to the other two, heck she spent a good chunk of her classic stories trying to redeem the latest villain of the week.
 
I heard people say that the "Trinity" should be Batman, Nightwing, and Superman.
It always was.

Nightwing was literally there before Wondy, is *the* sidekick, is the OG teenage superhero and unlike Wondy, he has a “world” in the Titans.

The Titans corner of DC literally exists because Big Dick Grayson got the upgrade to pillar character and his whole schtick is he was mentored by two good men and is the great man who embodies their positive qualities.
 
I don't really agree, Batman has been shown to be quite flexible in icing guys if the situation truly demands it

In the comics? Maybe. In adaptations? No.

Normies know this characters for how they are adopted,

I am not arguing "who has the backstory that makes them less willing to people", or "who has more obscure comic issues being more willing to kill", I am arguing that if you ask "Who is the character known to the general public as having the most strict no kill rule". That's Batman. Diana is not even close.

You can look at past comic issues and say Batman has been more flexible. But if you showed Batman murdering in a big budget movie people would get furious whereas Diana doesn't get the same reaction.

Even so Wonder Woman has been the one that has in adaptations a higher kill count with zero complaints from the public. She killed Ares on screen in the DCEU, she decapitated Steppenwolf in Snyder cut, and also decapitated Ares in that animated movie:


She being less willing to kill than Bruce would be a hard sell.

Still, I disagree with you overall and the idea that her being a warrior is something negative. Her having a bland personality is the real issue that pushes people away.
 
But if you showed Batman murdering in a big budget movie people would get furious whereas Diana doesn't get the same reaction.
Batman has killed people in almost every single movie that he has ever appeared in so that's false. Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, Batman v. Superman, even in The Batman he almost certainly killed a bunch of people during the car chase sequence. Don't remember if he iced anyone in Batman & Robin or Justice League but he likely did. People barely kicked up a fuss over any of those. If you talk to the general audience, you might be really surprised as to how many people just assume that Batman killing people is business as usual.

Wonder Woman has 4 major movies to her name. I'm not sure if you remember but the 2009 movie wasn't very well received in terms of Diana's character. Snyder Cut also had people shitting on it for fucking over almost every single major character including Diana.
She being less willing to kill than Bruce would be a hard sell.
Not at all.
Still, I disagree with you overall and the idea that her being a warrior is something negative.
It's boring and makes Wonder Woman generic and barely distinguishable as her own unique thing. It is, in fact, a key reason for her "blandness".
 
Batman has killed people in almost every single movie that he has ever appeared in so that's false.


I am not trying to be an asshole, or a contrarían with you, I think you have made some great points in the past, and I have agreed with you. I hope we can disagree in a respectful civil way.

That being said, You misunderstand me.

The point isn't "who has killed more" because then it becomes a who can find more deaths and create a scoreboard. And to be honest many of those examples you gave were just the director not thinking that far ahead, instead of the Director intending to have Batman kill recklessly.

The point is again, " Who the general public knowns as having a strict no kill" rule. That's Batman. Ask any random people in the street and that's what they will tell you. Some may even say Spiderman or Superman. Diana is not gonna be an answer.

It would be an uphill battle to convince people Diana is the Pacifist one.

And, I am sorry to say, but I am highly skeptical of the claim that normies think Batman kills. That's the one thing they all know about him, besides the Wayne's murder.

It's boring and makes Wonder Woman generic and barely distinguishable as her own unique thing. It is, in fact, a key reason for her "blandness".

Not really because a warrior is just something you do whereas a personality is who you are. Xena ended up being liked just fine for example.

Being a warrior doesn't make you boring or bland by itself.
 
Don't be ridiculous. We already have Negative Wonder Woman for that.
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Batman has killed people in almost every single movie that he has ever appeared in so that's false. Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, Batman v. Superman, even in The Batman he almost certainly killed a bunch of people during the car chase sequence. Don't remember if he iced anyone in Batman & Robin or Justice League but he likely did. People barely kicked up a fuss over any of those. If you talk to the general audience, you might be really surprised as to how many people just assume that Batman killing people is business as usual.

Wonder Woman has 4 major movies to her name. I'm not sure if you remember but the 2009 movie wasn't very well received in terms of Diana's character. Snyder Cut also had people shitting on it for fucking over almost every single major character including Diana.

Not at all.

It's boring and makes Wonder Woman generic and barely distinguishable as her own unique thing. It is, in fact, a key reason for her "blandness".
Well, this nerd needs some "context." I'd say that, in your "favor," the Batman of Zack Snyder's universe has indeed demonstrated mass killings, considering that most of them were generic "Mooks"/"Crooks" who were more collateral damage than anything else.

The "no killing" rule itself wouldn't make Batman any less Batman; it all depends on the format. If it's film, he might end up killing the villain of the day to close the movie, which is more of a very special exception, and in some cases, the more "secondary" villains among the main ones end up dead or in Arkham.

The no killing rule exists in film too, even in the "Snyderverse" Batman, who hasn't been forbidden from being very brutal with criminals. Well, I'll do you another favor and tell you that his 2026 Supergirl movie kills the villain. That makes you feel "better," right?
I am not trying to be an asshole, or a contrarían with you, I think you have made some great points in the past, and I have agreed with you. I hope we can disagree in a respectful civil way.

That being said, You misunderstand me.

The point isn't "who has killed more" because then it becomes a who can find more deaths and create a scoreboard. And to be honest many of those examples you gave were just the director not thinking that far ahead, instead of the Director intending to have Batman kill recklessly.

The point is again, " Who the general public knowns as having a strict no kill" rule. That's Batman. Ask any random people in the street and that's what they will tell you. Some may even say Spiderman or Superman. Diana is not gonna be an answer.

It would be an uphill battle to convince people Diana is the Pacifist one.

And, I am sorry to say, but I am highly skeptical of the claim that normies think Batman kills. That's the one thing they all know about him, besides the Wayne's murder.



Not really because a warrior is just something you do whereas a personality is who you are. Xena ended up being liked just fine for example.

Being a warrior doesn't make you boring or bland by itself.
Limiting the general knowledge of Batman to the movies is crap. I'll respond with something, and that is that it's not only the movies that have maintained this rule (with obvious exceptions), but there are also animated representations of Batman where these specific rules are manifested. Of course, obviously in series for children you wouldn't have Batman killing, but the rule has been there since the comics when Batman got his first Robin.

I feel that some of her comics have created this mentally challenged image of Diana as "weak." It's more the fault of the "professional" writers who put more effort into Batman and Superman than Wonder Woman.
 
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