DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Isn't Nightwing one of the most popular in-universe heroes? I remember reading about a planned event to kill him because his death would be super impactful to the DC universe, but I forget which one.

Infinite Crisis



They ended up not going through with it, but the event was clearly building up to his death as part of the emotional climax (I've herad some people say that Connor's death was a replacement). The story constantly reinforces him as the hope of the next generation, his importance as THE first sidekick, they make a lot of little 'Oh god, I hope nothing happens to me/him' sorta death flags. A throughline of the event is the idea of the Earth 2 universe being inherently better than the main universe that's lost all it's optimism, hope and heroism in the lead up to this event. The primary refutation of that idea?


But yes, Nightwing is very important in-universe. He is the guy most people believe will lead the Justice League (if the DC status quo ever progressed after that), he was the leader of the first teenage team, the first sidekick, a hero who's learned from multiple founding Justice League members and, whilst the pages were cut, when his death was faked his funeral was depicted as having a similar turnout to Superman's. Damian is his Robin. Superman explicitly trusted Nightwing to mentor his son. He is the hero who basically knows everyone, if you fuck with him the list of offended parties coming to kick your ass extends across outer space. Superman even once referred to him as the multiversal constant for how his importance always seems to carry.

Alas, despite all this insistence, he's never allowed to take the place he's clearly being built to take because DC refuse to let him leave Batman's shadow. I'm still pissed about his big mini-series that was entirely about establishing him big time hero against an alien invasion never came to fruition.

 

[DocAwe]

I heard people say that the "Trinity" should be Batman, Nightwing, and Superman.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I heard people say that the "Trinity" should be Batman, Nightwing, and Superman.

Pretty much

Diana only really gets added because of her feminism mark in the 40s, but beyond that she lacks much impact on the genre or DC as a whole. Batman and Superman are the foundation of DC, it makes sense that the boy raised under both would be the most important figure as he signifies the passing of the torch. Even speaking in terms of non-comics content, Robin/Nightwing is objectively one of the most popular heroes having three successful, arguably the most successful, cartoons under his belt. He is arguably one of the biggest players in broadening supers as a genre as he really resonates with children, women, and even blacks in a way only Spider-Man challenges.

 

[Product Placement]

i wonder if its that hard doing a live version of mask of the phantom?

leave it be, rather not see DC go down the Disney point less remake path

 

[Mystery Spy]

Pretty much

Diana only really gets added because of her feminism mark in the 40s, but beyond that she lacks much impact on the genre or DC as a whole. Batman and Superman are the foundation of DC, it makes sense that the boy raised under both would be the most important figure as he signifies the passing of the torch. Even speaking in terms of non-comics content, Robin/Nightwing is objectively one of the most popular heroes having three successful, arguably the most successful, cartoons under his belt. He is arguably one of the biggest players in broadening supers as a genre as he really resonates with children, women, and even blacks in a way only Spider-Man challenges.

People bring up DCSPHG and Absolute Wonder Woman, but I think the only unequivocal success Wonder Woman has had, not in a niche, but with normies and mainstream audiences was Gal Gadot's first Wonder Woman movie,and her subsequent cameos

She can be a great character. But to be honest for the most part she hasn't been. At least not in decades.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Isn't Nightwing one of the most popular in-universe heroes? I remember reading about a planned event to kill him because his death would be super impactful to the DC universe, but I forget which one.

There's that what-if issue where Superboy sticks im into a loop of deaths and somehow that causes everything to go right, kek.

his importance as THE first sidekick, they make a lot of little 'Oh god, I hope nothing happens to me/him' sorta death flags.

Jason is still crying to this day.

Earth 2 universe being inherently better than the main universe that's lost all it's optimism, hope and heroism in the lead up to this even

Ah, so that's where they stole the idea for the Absolute 'x' series, it's not even original besides ripping off Marvel.

 

[The Nothingness]

What is your major malfunction if you want your hypothetical child to look up to a character who's a drunken trainwreck?

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Jason is still crying to this day.

When you're the only Son whose death was put to a vote.