Critical Role - Tabletop RPGs is serious business, man.

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Reverend dijo:
No one here is saying what you specified at all.
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>Says that no one has done the GAEMS ARE SRS BSNS routine
>proceeds to do the GAEMS ARE SRS BSNS routine

For reference:
Reverend dijo:
Fuck Matt Mercer for not showing that Choices have Consequences. Fuck the entire concept of this type of game as it's brought an absolute slew of people who think that D&D is run with everyone able to do everything and they can never die or mean things happen to them.
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knightlautrec dijo:
Bunch of faggot posers who can't play the game worth a fuck and get softball'd conflict...
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Seminal Ointments Lain dijo:
I have killed 135 players across 7+1 campaigns in the same time as this faggot can barely finish 2.
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This is what I am talking about, people get really fucking mad at other people playing the game differently from them. What's even the points of shitting your pants in public like this?

If any of those guys had made the point, that this is shit cause it makes a bunch of CR retards fanboys think that's how the game should be and thus infect other playgroups, I'd be in agreement (fuck, I made the same point myself in the very first reply to this thread!), but none of you guys did.

It's all about "They are playing the game wrong". I could swear you're bunch of Germans, given how they tend to explain to others how they should do their mutual hobby """correctly""".
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Reverend dijo:
A show that is fun to watch but deep down you know it's all a made up for the at home audience of wine moms, ADHD children, and background noise for office workers. Smile and laugh, but don't think too much about it.
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Why is this even a problem? The game is meant to be entertaining, the stream is meant to be entertainment. If it's not all genuine, that's a bummer, but it's not much of an issue. If you dislike it, fine. I'm not a fan myself, not by any stretch of the word, but getting this mad over 6 yokels playing a game online is just plain fucking silly.
 
RomanesEuntDomus dijo:
This is what I am talking about, people get really fucking mad at other people playing the game differently from them. What's even the points of shitting your pants in public like this?

If any of those guys had made the point, that this is shit cause it makes a bunch of CR retards fanboys think that's how the game should be and thus infect other playgroups, I'd be in agreement (fuck, I made the same point myself in the very first reply to this thread!), but none of you guys did.

It's all about "They are playing the game wrong". I could swear you're bunch of Germans, given how they tend to explain to others how they should do their mutual hobby """correctly""".
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Why are you trashing me for having the good sense to condense my campaigns to have a beginning, middle and end in a reasonable span of time. (Usually 4-8 months) while this moron drags out trash for decades?

I mean, sure, you can run your game as long as you see fit. But real people who aren't paid voice actors being LITERALLY PAID to appear in some gay ass fake internet show aren't the same real, relatively normal people who can't invest in a 5 year bland campaign.

I'm basically in agreement with you in that I also suffer the fucking retards who trash me or regard me as a Bad DM because I'm not a Paid Voice Actor who cares about their feelings. I'm more real and true to the spirit of D&D than 99% of these hyper-sensitive commie bastard quite literal randos. I just had a player flake out because I "was harassing me and disrepsecting his time" when I had been pinging him every day for a week asking him if he planned on attending this weekend and had not gotten any fucking response whatsoever.

It's fine for someone like me to declare my way the best way, because I'm just some gy whose confident in his madness. Or you. Or anybody. But this rotten piece of shit Matt Mercer has drowned by victim-base for going on 2 years. I don't know what exactly happened in this faggot games but that;s when I noticed the sudden nightmare influx of genuine cocksucker retards.
 
Seminal Ointments Lain dijo:
I have killed 135 players across 7+1 campaigns in the same time as this faggot can barely finish 2. How many players has he killed? Made rage-quit? Cry? And then his vocal backwash have the audacity to tell me I'm a bad GM because I don't le funny voices and exhibit a total disregard for human life.
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You really do seem like a shitty GM, and I would not play a table top RPG with you. It seems like you get off on killing your players. I don't give a shit if you do voices or not, but if you think it's your job to kill off your players (whether they deserve it or not) and you clearly do... then yeah, you're a shitty GM.

As for Critical Role, I didn't see any of the first campaign, but I liked the second one well enough. Mercer does seem to go easy on his stupid (I believe the term is "danger lesbian") wife, and that's a shame. Isn't he a shit lot older than she is as well? But eh, he's still a good story teller, and he genuinely does seem to know his shit when it comes to D&D.

For negatives: Levar Burton's racist as shit daughter guest starred for a few episodes. I didn't even know she was a racist at the time (or Levar Burton's daughter for that matter) but she was playing a "3edgy5u" (One more than 2edgy4u) character that was just insufferable, and I hated that. And yeah, most of the fanbase I've seen for CR is also genuinely trash. This probably isn't a coincidence.

@RomanesEuntDomus is a much wiser fellow than I am. I genuinely wish that I hadn't looked up social media accounts of several of them. I do still like Laura and Travis Bailey though. (And it isn't just because I like FMA)
I did however lose a lot of respect for Taliesin Jaffe and Liam O'Brien, when I made the mistake of looking up their social media feeds. TDS is never pretty.

I never bothered looking up Ashley Johnson, because I never liked her anyway, and I think I can probably guess what kind of person she is to begin with.

Also, I think Mercer might be an actual cuck. (You're still a cuck if you get off watching your wife fuck other women, without her letting you join them right?)
 
Shokaract dijo:
Who would have thought a post about something tabeltop related would turn this autistic.
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Everyone. Because we play TTRP.

RomanesEuntDomus dijo:
It's all about "They are playing the game wrong". I could swear you're bunch of Germans, given how they tend to explain to others how they should do their mutual hobby """correctly""".
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I mean...I am. I actually am German. And yes - I feel they play the game wrong and have made DnD insufferable from a community and actual game perspective. Their supplements recently that are MEANT to appeal to those who have come from CR viewing are awful and include taking agency away from characters and directing DMs to basically not let yhe characters get off the beaten path by using actual Deus Ex Machina devices to make sure they don't do anything the book doesn't want. That's not RP. That's just a novel told at a table and not anything to be encouraged in our hobby. It stifles creativity and it stifles your players from actually coming up with ways to solve issues.

I think it has given an unfortunate repuation to TTRP about how it should played and the reality is far far from slick production values and soft balled encounters where the DM makes sure you don't die cuz you're constantly doing dumb shit. When I ST, I give players some leeway and sometimes a minor get out of death card (because sometimes the die are not on your side) but if you genuinely do something you know to be retarded and do it anyway? Consequences will be felt. And I'll make sure you remember you chose poorly and make it as tragic as I can to give you an impact. And that's the ultimate thing - TTRP is an experience that you feel real time and react to with moments that should stick with because of things you did and experienced.

A set storyline that has already been semi dictated behind the scenes for viewers is not an experience. There is no satisfaction from playing that imo.
 
Seminal Ointments Lain dijo:
Why are you trashing me for having the good sense to condense my campaigns to have a beginning, middle and end in a reasonable span of time. (Usually 4-8 months) while this moron drags out trash for decades?
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I'm not thrashing you for running condensed, lethal campaigns. You do you. That's the whole point I am making here.
I am thrashing you for this "Hurr my games are much superior, cause there's more character deaths... cause character deaths are the best measurement for game quality!" shtick and that your excessive autism makes you lose your shit over someone playing a game differently from you. Doesn't help that you have blatantly obvious confidence issues that you attempt to hide with your effortposting.
 
Deadwaste dijo:
dont let them touch cyberpunk

sidenote: did they touch cyberpunk?
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If the videogame had been a large hit with tons of adoring fans, it might be at risk, I doubt it's going to be picked up by CR.
CR is also about marketing their own DnD sourcebooks, so they won't branch out (and if they do, not for long).

Sure, they could pick up Traveller, Cyberpunk or Call of Cthulhu, but I doubt it.
 
My feeling on critical role is that my contention with it is less with the actual show, and more with the fans who have unrealistic expectations from the DM. Mercer is also too soft on his players and boss fights should feel like a boss fight where death is a real chance. Granted the people will never change because people are more interested in the VCs, which is fair. I swear though that Critical Role can bring out either the worst Soylock or Grognard tendancies in people.
 
My two cents on the autism happening bere: It's basically the same argument on difficulty selection in games. Some people just want to shoot some dice and have fun adventures with their op characters, some wants the git gud experience. Both are retarded in their extremes (why even play a game in the former, while the latter are stuck in their own ass).
 
I have very deliberately never watched Critical Role, but from the standpoint of someone who (a) enjoys D&D (3.5, so maybe that already makes me an elitist or something iunno) and (b) has to deal with the fans a lot in the context of commissioned artwork, I feel like it's done a lot of damage via its fandom.

I get that it's it's own worldsetting, and world settings have their own takes on what's canon for various races, but my understanding is that CR and its fandom lean HARD into the modern 'we have to make fantasy less problematic' direction theyve been taking with more recent editions. It mostly seems to be the problem of whatever character that Taleisin guy is playing, because I don't know anything about him other than he's a giant turbofaggot.
He played some teifling who could apparently be summarized by 'my personality is Gay' and various other Hot Topic-isms, and suddenly everyone and their auntie has a million flamboyantly gay teifling OCs. That character dies, he rerolls as a firbolg (traditionally sort of shy, chill giantkin who live in the forest looking a bit like charmingly lumpy Scandinavian trolls) and suddenly for no particular reason 'firbolg' means 'furry with a pastel pink undercut who likes to sip tea', and now I have to specify whether someone is asking me to draw a real firbolg or a CR furry. I don't know WHAT they did with drow other than some random gay romance shit, but now suddenly the internet is drowning in anything-but-evil-alignment 'drow' who seem to have thrown and sort of racial characteristics other than 'elf with skin darker than tan' out the window.

The drow thing really gets me because yes, I know the fandom already had The Drizzt Effect back in the day, but at least the million Great Value Drizzt types still looked like a drow and still acknowledged that drow culture was a thing, even if their special characters weren't like that. Now it seems like they're... blue? I keep seeing random Warcraft NE looking 'drow', dark hair, dark eyes. At what point is it worth even calling them a drow, when you've taken away literally every defining feature other than that surface dwellers are racist to them (for no reason, now)?

It's a shame because I heard that CR has a reasonably entertaining story and I'm sure it's pretty compelling with a bunch of professional theater nerds doing it, but the fandom it's spawned is so incredibly insufferable that I don't think I'm ever gonna be able to stomach watching it. It might be the overall 'what if we made fantasy Woke' trend that's the real problem, but CR is attracting the worst of those insufferable little shits to the hobby and it's awful.
 
I watched the highlights of season 1, just because the Vecna arc seemed interesting. At least then death had some weight to it then, judging by the clips.

I started with the AQ Inc podcasts because Perkins is a damn good DM, was super happy when Wheaton left and was replaced by Pat Rothfuss, if anything because at first they gave him a ton of shit about book 3 not being done. Then Kurtz left, another happy day, since he didn't look like he was having fun for a while. Once they shifted to Crawford I stopped watching since I didn't care as much for his DM style.

After that the D&D Quirky boom began and I couldn't find one I cared enough to listen to.
 
Deadwaste dijo:
dont let them touch cyberpunk

sidenote: did they touch cyberpunk?
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As of this post: To my knowledge...no.
wtfNeedSignUp dijo:
My two cents on the autism happening bere: It's basically the same argument on difficulty selection in games. Some people just want to shoot some dice and have fun adventures with their op characters, some wants the git gud experience. Both are retarded in their extremes (why even play a game in the former, while the latter are stuck in their own ass).
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And what? Ar e CR the games journalists of tabletop?
 
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