Cowboy Bebop Thread - Live-Action Adaptation cancelled after one season (it was shit)

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the writers are writing for themselves, not for the audience, they are just massaging their own ego, using the series to jerk off themselves, even more when it is netflix who doesn't give shit about what is being produced, just want the numbers.
They followed the good advice of write what you would want in a story. However, that only works when your work is judged on merit. When you get a cushy writing gig for having the right opinions, you're not there on merit because you wrote what lots of people wanted to read. You're there because you convinced the execs to hire you for rightthink, and then you wrote what no one wanted to see.
 
They followed the good advice of write what you would want in a story. However, that only works when your work is judged on merit. When you get a cushy writing gig for having the right opinions, you're not there on merit because you wrote what lots of people wanted to read. You're there because you convinced the execs to hire you for rightthink, and then you wrote what no one wanted to see.
I get it, but I kinda feel the same about other work at the moment. The comic miniseries Batman '89. You have one of the writers of the movie coming back and making a sequel to both movies using that same universe. There you have the comic exploring a black robin and the also black Harvey Dent/two face. In this case you are also adapting something that was done before (the movies) and this kinda sets a limit to what you can do and how. But it also explores themes like gentryfication and more modern topics in a work that kinda allows and kinda doesn't at the same time. These limitations help into giving the readers what they want (keaton batman, Harvey Dent, catwoman and so on), but the writer also makes things that he wants, and would never happen back then
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These limitations that should work for both the comic and the series (world building, setting, characters, story) in bebop case, aren't explored, and if they are, it is just the usual modern bullshit. And for someone who doesn't even like bebop much, the core of the series was always the genre of the week with some adventure mixed in. So it was always clear about what they should do but they never managed to even do this (the wanda shows kinda did it for marvel).

So these hacks doesn't give shit about anything, other than they lost their jobs, and their shit wasn't well received either, so they don't even got a glimpse of such simple series as bebop. Something that even one of the manga adaptation in the 90's for a shojo magazine got it. It is a clearly monument of incompetence.

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Just watch this video compilation of cutscenes from this unreleased in the US PS2 game and pretend it’s a movie or OVA

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iirc there's legends it got a dub that's lost in the Time Void?
I heard someone mention once that Yoko Kanno is a plagiarist. Is that true? Or is it just that the soundtrack kinda maybe sounds like some other theme song in the same genre?
it seems that when she's clearly lifting a style it's more "production music knock-off" like American Made / Real American than "gosh I hope nobody notices"

but yeah the kid playing Ed's delivery of "SPOOO~ky" clearly showed familiarity with the dub to the point I feel kinda bad about it being attached to this trashfire
even in the original anime there's mostly disbelief expressed about the idea that Ed is actually even human, so just "make a person look like Ed sorta" was probably a bad call however enthusiastic the actor was
 
I heard someone mention once that Yoko Kanno is a plagiarist. Is that true? Or is it just that the soundtrack kinda maybe sounds like some other theme song in the same genre?
Dunno about her plagiarism, but here is a fun tidbit.

Sometimes in her songs, you can see a credited Gabriela Robin as the singer. You may think she collaborates with this woman to sing english in her work but that is false, Gabriela is actually Kanno's herself using an pen name.

If it was in MURICA, people would blame her for cultural appropriating cultures to make herself look foreign enough lol

 
Hope this news makes them rethink making One Piece or another shitty anime adaptation.
No they won't, I already said this a while ago in another thread but when I watched Superman Returns with a friend he started sperging during the scene where the guy with the minigun shoots at him and then when it doesn't work pulls out a gun and shoots him again, he said "Superman has been around after a while, they should all know he is bulletproof, do they keep shooting him hoping that maybe just maybe this time the bullets will work?" Not his exact words but Netflix is exactly like that, it doesn't matter this show failed, they are hoping One Piece will succeed and if/when that fails too they'll just move on to the next hoping it will work this time.
 
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I just finished watching this, I want to start this by saying that I never watched the anime series nor do I plan to. I'd say the show ranges from okay-ish to bad, there is an interesting concept there but the show is limited by shit performances, the character of Julia is supposedly as "deadly as she is beautiful" according to some summary I read, yet she comes across as your typical damsel in distress, the closest she got to being a "femme-fatale" was when she went behind Vicious' back to try and have him killed only for it to backfire on her as he saw that coming. Spike's character is trying to be this suave badass but isn't very convincing, I actually ended up liking the nigger, the fact that he is called "Jet Black" makes it hilarious. Faye's character is somewhat annoying and not very interesting. Going back to Julia's character her 180 at the end where she goes from damsel in distress to badass girl-Kingpin is dumb, it feels out of nowhere, from what I've read in the thread this doesn't happen in the anime so its probably some tranny writer at Netflix trying to go for a "YAAAASSS KWEEEEN SLAYYYYY" moment but failed miserably. Part of me wants to see where this mess would have gone and part of me is glad its over.
 
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I just finished watching this, I want to start this by saying that I never watched the anime series. I'd say the show ranges from okay-ish to bad, there is an interesting concept there but the show is limited by shit performances, the character of Julia is supposedly as "deadly as she is beautiful" according to some summary I read, yet she comes across as your typical damsel in distress, the closest she got to being a "femme-fatale" was when she went behind Vicious' back to try and have him killed only for it to backfire on her as he saw that coming. Spike's character is trying to be this suave badass but isn't very convincing, I actually ended up liking the nigger, the fact that he is called "Jet Black" makes it hilarious. Faye's character is somewhat annoying and not very interesting. Going back to Julia's character her 180 at the end where she goes from damsel in distress to badass girl-Kingpin is dumb, it feels out of nowhere, from what I've read in the thread this doesn't happen in the anime so its probably some tranny writer at Netflix trying to go for a "YAAAASSS KWEEEEN SLAYYYYY" moment but failed miserably. Part of me wants to see where this mess would have gone and part of me is glad its over.
Those interesting concepts are explored incredibly well in the anime.
 
Not meaning to doublepost, but the recurring cast and screenwriter has just went on to Twitter to talk about their disappointment on what it’s like for Cowboy Bebop’s live action show to get cancelled.


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Geralt has been vindicated.
Mustafa is the only member of the crew to handle this with decency and without biting at the fans. He's sad he doesn't get to be Jet again, but he leaves it at that rather than going "WAHHH I'M GOING TO BLOCK EVERYONE WHO SAYS SOMETHING NEGATIVE ABOUT MY HALF-ASSED WORK" like the majority of the writing staff.

The whole muh "TAWXIC" "entitled" fans narrative is so tiring. It happens every time a westernized reboot comes out. The staff and journos call the fans "entitled" for not wanting a half-assed product that's only recognized because it has the name of a previously beloved property attached to it. Any negative feedback is "toxic" to these fragile LA twits. Reading a negative sentiment towards their work is harassment to them.

The problem isn't "entitled" fans. The problem is entitled production staff like this Production Assistant (coffee-gofer) demanding people patron bad works.

Also, if this bitch's job is to make sure anything "offensive" didn't get past the writer's room
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How the FUCK did any of Woodcock's super racially charged sexual dialogue towards Jet make it into the final show?
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This porn tier writing somehow doesn't fall into being "'offensive' or falling into 'stereotypes' or accidental -isms." Just like how Jet being turned into a black estranged/absentee father with a shit relationship with his child's mother whose antics get their kid hurt or put in harm's way isn't a tired overdone stereotype trope.

Great job, Naomi! Hope your career at Starbucks is long and fulfilling.
 
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These people essentially view the entertainment industry as some sort of welfare program.

Entertaining audiences is a distant third, fourth or one thousandth to being able to make money, stroke their own egos, virtue signal to "own the chuds" etc etc.
I think it's even worse. The people that become writers and producers nowadays grew up with praise heaped upon praise for every little mundane task they did the bare minimum to accomplish. They are so used to being praised for the most miniscule of things they did, independent of the quality of what they did, I genuinely think they got it all backwards.

These shitheads expect the audience to thank them for making something. The audience has no say, they are allowed to consume and praise, but nothing else. The product is not meant to be enjoyed for its merits, it is expected to be enjoyed by merely existing. If the writer/producer made it, is is praiseworthy, it deserves unconditional love merely for existing and no one in the audience is allowed to not enjoy it.

The divine, unfallible, generous writers and producers have graced this earth with bestowing upon it their sacrosanct perfection in form of a show like Cowboy Bebop. The mere mortal puny consoomers should writhe on the ground in amazement and gratitude and should not speak unless spoken to.

That is what you get when an entire industry is run by trust-fund-kids that grew up with helicopter parents and raised on an attitude of "everyone is a winner!".

Shockingly, I actually don’t want rag on anyone involved in the live-action Cowboy Bebop too hard because I know how hard it can be come up with something artistic that people will like but it's impossible to feel sympathy for those among the cast and crew who were practically gleaming with spite and contempt for their audience and the source material, in very public ways and are now crying about losing their jobs.

Oh and the handfuls of freaks like this who are mourning the live-action remake, really can't stand these people either.
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The only "people" that enjoy this shit are tasteless queers like this freak that didn't watch the original CB and normally hate anime, simply watching this cash-grab Netflix trash out of spite. So good riddance to bad rubbish.
All I can say is this:

If these people choose to be victims, that's their problem, not mine. They think that this was fans trying to keep something away from others so they can't enjoy and love it, when it is in fact the old fans that are enjoying and loving the original product, who have nurtured it with their money, their attention, their time to make it as popular as it was. These old fans and their time and money are the reason why the show was relevant enough to remake it.
This asshole sees himself as a victim of a hatefilled group, cause they don't like what he likes. He thinks the world is a conspiracy by toxic people to make him and those like him miserable. This person has chosen to live in hell, cause it is more convenient to be a perpetual victim than to admit that other people can have different opinions - not out of spite, but merely cause they just happen to hold other opinions. It's also nice to be a victim, cause in the harebrained dichotomy of modern SJWdom, you can only ever be either a victim or a wrongdoer and fleeing into the role of the perpetual victim also protects you from being a wrongdoer.

The whole muh "TAWXIC" "entitled" fans narrative is so tiring. It happens every time a westernized reboot comes out. The staff and journos call the fans "entitled" for not wanting a half-assed product that's only recognized because it has the name of a previously beloved property attached to it.
I've ranted in other threads about how pissed I am at this whole "entitled" rethoric, cause ffs, yes. Fans of old franchises are fucking entitled. And that is not only justified but also good.
These fans made the franchise what it is with their time, money and affection. They advertised the franchise to others, they supported it with their money, you better believe they are entitled to respect by those that want to cash in on the franchise's name and fame. They are entitled to being pandered to. They are entitled to say "this fucking sucks" if the product is shit.

Journos that use the word "entitled" as if it was a slur to be "entitled" are scum. And given that this is meant to defend writers and producers, that make atrocious shit and unjustifiedly feel entitled to be praised for lackluster garbage. Fuck me. These writers and producers got entitlement issues, not the fans that go "this show is a travesty and you're an asshole for treating us badly".
 
These shitheads expect the audience to thank them for making something. The audience has no say, they are allowed to consume and praise, but nothing else. The product is not meant to be enjoyed for its merits, it is expected to be enjoyed by merely existing. If the writer/producer made it, is is praiseworthy, it deserves unconditional love merely for existing and no one in the audience is allowed to not enjoy it.
That's some school/uni theatre club mentality. In fact, they have no excuses. They are not cash-starved creators of an indie film or final year film students putting out a project. They have the money, as much time as they need, they can hire whomever they want that they know is talented or would be an asset. Though the people the most to blame are the producers, for providing no direction or useful criticism and not reigning in the writing staff.
 
Honestly, you cannot remake a 90s/00s production now considering how much more socially conservative our culture is now compared to even ten years ago. In a different era, a live-action Bebop could be amazing. But not now, and not in the foreseeable future.

Good riddance.

If what she said was true then I'll say I do feel bad that she and the rest of the crew were laid off without any notification ahead of the cancellation announcement, that's really shitty of Netflix to do.
Except they didn't get fired in the middle of production. They completed their work on the first season and weren't hired back for a second. There isn't a single contractor in the world (outside Hollywood productions, apparently) who believes not being selected to work on more projects is "being fired." The idea that anyone "lost" a job when no job ever actually existed is just laughable.

Don't shed any tears for these Hollywood faggots. The tradesmen will find work on other productions. And the entitled crybaby writers will just go running home to live off mommy and daddy's trust fund.
 
I did not watch the show (because it looked like dogshit) and I am glad it got canned.
However, I feel a bit bad for those actors who put in the effort for the role. The girl who played Ed, from the clip I saw, put in a effort to play Ed. That is something in my eye.
 
This shit getting canceled only 3 weeks after its release is absolutely hilarious.
It being cancelled that quickly makes me really interested in how little people actually watched it though netflix. I know 2 people who watched it, and one of them torrented it, and the other watched it at their friends place.
 
Except they didn't get fired in the middle of production. They completed their work on the first season and weren't hired back for a second. There isn't a single contractor in the world (outside Hollywood productions, apparently) who believes not being selected to work on more projects is "being fired." The idea that anyone "lost" a job when no job ever actually existed is just laughable.

Don't shed any tears for these Hollywood faggots. The tradesmen will find work on other productions. And the entitled crybaby writers will just go running home to live off mommy and daddy's trust fund.
Absolutely, the people on Twitter going "We just lost our jobs, how can you be happy about that?" are not talking about Bob the Carpenter, Bill the Gaffer or Susan the boom mike operator.
The "we just lost our job" crowd is above the mere street rabble doing the mundane work, they are talking about themselves and their clique of trustfund faggots friends and no one else.

The ones doing the technical mundane work will find a new job, they are the ones who know their shit, who get paid to get shit done and you won't find them bitching about their cruel fate on Twitter. Why? Cause they are craftsmen and -women that do their job and do it well.
 
Not meaning to doublepost, but the recurring cast and screenwriter has just went on to Twitter to talk about their disappointment on what it’s like for Cowboy Bebop’s live action show to get cancelled.


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Geralt has been vindicated.
I know this kind of question has been asked before for other material, but how the hek are you supposed to "broaden" this show? I mean, it's bad enough that these people think they can catch lightning in a bottle twice, it's simply mind-blowing to believe they think they can financially do better considering that there have been very few examples of a remake, reboot, re-imagining, or whatever doing better than its predecessor especially if there predecessor was already considered a hit. It just goes to show how pathetic this generation of writers and producers are.
 
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