Cowboy Bebop Thread - Live-Action Adaptation cancelled after one season (it was shit)

[HeyYou]

lol dude mentioned Gren just to virtue signal. GTFOutta here with that, Cho. I can kind of respect the "I'm just here for the paycheck" vibes I'm getting from him, though.

And to the morons who glorify Gren's altered body as this "super progressive" thing: You weren't paying ANY attention to his episodes. He grew breasts because the poor man was experimented on with addictive drugs. He didn't want his body to end up the way it did.

Yeah, they are completely missing the fucking point by making Gren some they/them shit. If anything, the original episode validates that someone's gender is something that they're born with and is in their mind, and no amount of alteration of their body will change that. That's pretty damn progressive.

 

[Internet's Boyfriend]

He says every episode of the Netflix series will nod to the anime in subtle ways, be it through props, names, or visual references to Sunrise’s original animation. “I would challenge almost any superfan on this show to see if they can find [all the references] in the frame,” Nemec says.

I fucking hate it when they do this shit. "Oh we're going to make subtle references to the original haha try to find them all!!" It's so lazy and it makes it sound like they know it's shit so they're throwing in easter eggs as a gimmick so all the retards on reddit and twitter will post about how "yeah it was kind of a let down but did you see that reference in episode 3?!?! So cool!!!"

 

[Corpun]

I fucking hate it when they do this shit. "Oh we're going to make subtle references to the original haha try to find them all!!" It's so lazy and it makes it sound like they know it's shit so they're throwing in easter eggs as a gimmick so all the retards on reddit and twitter will post about how "yeah it was kind of a let down but did you see that reference in episode 3?!?! So cool!!!"

I blame Marvel for this autistic trend to allude to random shit no one knows or cares about in the comic books. Like wow dude, the one peak consumer asshole in the theater that gets that reference is totally worth it.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Trying to claim the reason Ghost in the Shell and Dragon Ball Evolution failed was because they were too much like the source material? lol

Ironically, that deviation from the source material is why they're not good. Ghost in the Shell combined Kuze, the Laughing Man and the Puppet Master, fucking the film up. I don't even have to talk about Evolution or Western anime adaptations in general. Remakes more often than not end up good because they build off what was already established instead of changing it.

 

[Chilson]

Ironically, that deviation from the source material is why they're not good. Ghost in the Shell combined Kuze, the Laughing Man and the Puppet Master, fucking the film up. I don't even have to talk about Evolution or Western anime adaptations in general. Remakes more often than not end up good because they build off what was already established instead of changing it.

Its the eternal problem of any live action movie adaptation. The reality is that there are things you can do in animated shows with 20+ episodes that you simply can't do in live action movies with 8 hours at most. Harry potter and LOTR are the exception that proves the rule with something crazy like 13 hours and they still cut out absolute fuck tons of shit in the movies that were in the books.

Hell, the best live action manga adaptation is edge of tomorrow. And that's because they changed so much to the point where it became its own somewhat unique thing.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

My theory is that Netflix and the western comics industry are intentionally ruining live action adaptations of anime. The idea is for the normies who have never watched anime before to watch the live action, and they will respond "if this cowboy bebop show sucks this much, the Chinese cartoon must suck even more"

This is a long term plan to ensure that the normies who have never watched anime to continue to never watch anime.

Anime and manga is competition to Hollywood/comics and we have reached the point where ignoring anime is no longer a viable option. They have done their financial calculations and the loss of ignoring anime is greater than the loss of sabotaging anime.

There's also the political/social engineering side of it. Hollywood can inject wokeness to any of their properties. A bit harder to inject wokeness into Chinese cartoons.

Also that latina faye wannabe is a massive retard

I feel that's too optimistic since anime and manga fans hate this shit more than anyone else so they want these adaptations to fail. I feel it's more that studios are trying to find the next big thing to bank on after capeshit and making it appeal to normies (that is why all these shitty live action adaptations try to distance themselves from some of the weird stuff in the source material). It's just a case of out of touch executives trying to find new IPs and series that they can make money off of with no effort on their own

On what planet was Dragonball: Evolution anything like the source material? Jesus.

Ghost in the Shell is a less offensive adaptation, though. At the very least, the look of the film felt like Ghost in the Shell ...

Didn't the writer for Dragonball Evolution apologize for how badly it was. Like anyone who says Evolution is close to the source material is full of shit when even the writer admits it's garbage he made for a paycheck.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Didn't the writer for Dragonball Evolution apologize for how badly it was.

The original screenwriter did, yeah, but that was just him washing his hands of it because in the film industry, the script changes hands so often, the original vision is rarely left intact. Apparently his script was a faithful adaptation before the execs got to it.

 

[Robotech Engineer]

The original screenwriter did, yeah, but that was just him washing his hands of it because in the film industry, the script changes hands so often, the original vision is rarely left intact. Apparently his script was a faithful adaptation before the execs got to it.

Yeah no, it was always going to be a stupid steaming pile of shit no matter who wrote it. Its Hollyweird.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

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Titan Comics has revealed the comic book covers, and the artists behind them, for Cowboy Bebop issue #1, which includes five variant covers!

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[Dom Cruise]

The original screenwriter did, yeah, but that was just him washing his hands of it because in the film industry, the script changes hands so often, the original vision is rarely left intact. Apparently his script was a faithful adaptation before the execs got to it.

Are you talking about the guy that wrote The Big Hit?

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The Cowboy Bebop we have at home.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Are you talking about the guy that wrote The Big Hit?

Ben Ramsey, yeah.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Hell, the best live action manga adaptation is edge of tomorrow. And that's because they changed so much to the point where it became its own somewhat unique thing.

Or the other route when adapting manga to anime or live-action is create an original story with same characters and settings. Guyver II: Dark Hero was the case example of Americans are capable of doing a good manga/anime to live-action movie right albeit with a small budget. Which afaik it won't be until Edge of Tomorrow there's been any good American manga/anime to live-action adaptations in between them.

Ironically, that deviation from the source material is why they're not good. Ghost in the Shell combined Kuze, the Laughing Man and the Puppet Master, fucking the film up.

Plus the Oshii's GitS movies and GitS: SAC replaced literally all of Shirow's designed firearms (the Seburos) which were in AppleSeed, Dominion: Tank Police (not quite as much), and Ghost in the Shell with in real life guns.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

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Titan Comics has revealed the comic book covers, and the artists behind them, for Cowboy Bebop issue #1, which includes five variant covers!

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I looked into who the illustrators are, and outside of Yishan Li having your typical comic book artist style (more talented than anyone at Marvel right now, though), and Claudia Ianniciello's art having smug auras to them, they're all real talented artists. The issue is that the actors are being portrayed through these different styles, and it shows how ill-cast they are with exception of Jet, who's been working out in the art thus far. John Cho suffers it much worse, though, as shown in Claudia's cover edition, like holy shit.

 

[Dom Cruise]

For the record, I'm of the mind that you can absolutely make a good live action movie or TV series out of anime and manga, I always go back to Clue, if you can make a good movie out of a board game, then you can make a good out of an anime or manga.

All it takes is the right talent and someone actually caring about what they're doing, Clue is such a perfect example because there's clever little touches like the fact that character names like Colonel Mustard are pseudonyms and not the character's literal names, clever touches like that that made it work as a movie, again, all it takes is the right talent.

 

[XYZpdq]

Or the other route when adapting manga to anime or live-action is create an original story with same characters and settings. Guyver II: Dark Hero was the case example of Americans are capable of doing a good manga/anime to live-action movie right albeit with a small budget.

iirc there was some amount of Japanese talent involved with Guyver The One With Solid Snake
but yeah that one turned out pretty not-shit for either side of the pacific

 

[Uranus Pink]

iirc there was some amount of Japanese talent involved with Guyver The One

The fight choreography and the stunt (right industry word?) people wearing the suits were the Japanese talent. Many if not all of them go on to do the fight choreography for the first U.S. Power Rangers movie. That's what I know without going online to do a more thorough look.

With Solid Snake
but yeah that one turned out pretty not-shit for either side of the pacific

Granted given the time period when most of the U.S. comic book movies also were in varying degrees of suck to blow if not both. It was quite an accomplishment it came out good as it did especially with the added burden of the first Guyver movie shadow hanging over it.

 

[XYZpdq]

The fight choreography and the stunt (right industry word?) people wearing the suits were the Japanese talent. Many if not all of them go on to do the fight choreography for the first U.S. Power Rangers movie. That's what I know without going online to do a more thorough look.

Granted given the time period when most of the U.S. comic book movies also were in varying degrees of suck to blow if not both. It was quite an accomplishment it came out good as it did especially with the added burden of the first Guyver movie shadow hanging over it.

Guyver 1 would have been at least half less bad if the cover didn't make you think Mark Hamill was the Guyver. At least Dark Hero it really is David Hayer as the Guyver

 

[Gar For Archer]

For the record, I'm of the mind that you can absolutely make a good live action movie or TV series out of anime and manga, I always go back to Clue, if you can make a good movie out of a board game, then you can make a good out of an anime or manga.

All it takes is the right talent and someone actually caring about what they're doing, Clue is such a perfect example because there's clever little touches like the fact that character names like Colonel Mustard are pseudonyms and not the character's literal names, clever touches like that that made it work as a movie, again, all it takes is the right talent.

I think there’s two main factors that can make something “unadaptable”:

1. The story is an important aspect of the work, but it’s so long and complex that it is impossible to practically adapt without cutting major characters and plot points.

2. The setting and powers would be impossible to realize with a TV budget.

Turns out that a lot of manga tend to fall into one or both of these categories.

With something like Clue, or the Sonic movie, you can get away with writing an original story featuring the characters because the story was never that important to the source material in the first place. The story of Clue is basically just “murder mystery”, and the story of Sonic is basically just “blue hedgehog runs fast to confound round man”. It would be impossible to do the same thing for something like, say, Fullmetal Alchemist or Attack on Titan or Death Note or One Piece, where the reason most of its fans like them IS because of the story.

Basically, I feel like the more character-focused and less plot-focused the source material is, the easier it would be to make an adaptation, because it allows you to completely overhaul the story while still keeping the “feel” of the source material.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Basically, I feel like the more character-focused and less plot-focused the source material is, the easier it would be to make an adaptation, because it allows you to completely overhaul the story while still keeping the “feel” of the source material.

So that makes Cowboy Bebop an excellent contender for an adaptation, but unfortunately, the people involved are either incompetent at keeping in line with the spirit of the original (especially in costume and set design), or they're purposefully fucking over a popular anime title because geek culture can't be just for straight white men anymore, it needs to be destroyed and rebuilt in a new ungodly image.

Also Cowboy Bebop is one big homage to cinema, majority of it being American cinema, and the blues and jazz are very deeply-rooted in American culture. Guaranteed the people in charge of wokeifying this is unaware of that aspect, or is trying to erase that from their adaptation because it's too American/Western and that's literal kryptonite to Netflix.

 

[The Token Ethnic]

I fucking hate it when they do this shit. "Oh we're going to make subtle references to the original haha try to find them all!!" It's so lazy and it makes it sound like they know it's shit so they're throwing in easter eggs as a gimmick so all the retards on reddit and twitter will post about how "yeah it was kind of a let down but did you see that reference in episode 3?!?! So cool!!!"

Cue the two soyjaks pointing meme.