🐱 'Cowboy Bebop' Netflix cancelation could doom future anime adaptations - Good

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It wasn’t for a lack of trying.

On Thursday, Netflix announced the cancellation of its expensive and ambitious series Cowboy Bebop, a live action adaptation of the influential Japanese anime. As The Hollywood Reporterobserved, the ax fell just three weeks after the show premiered.

The relentless promotion by Netflix leading up to its premiere, only for its swift cancellation weeks later, raises an exhausting question: What was all this for?

Netflix is in a perpetual and desperate search for original productions to beef up its content catalogue. Unlike streamers that rely on an existing library, like Paramount+ or WarnerMedia, Netflix is limber enough to license, adapt, and acquire. And because it’s more financially sound to adapt IP with an existing audience than try something new (at least if you ignore successful gambles like Stranger Things and Squid Game), Netflix found its way to Cowboy Bebop, an anime beloved in part because of how contained it was as a 26-episode serial rather than an absurd 900 chapter saga.

But Netflix opened a lot of wounds in pop culture fandom. Anime fans are fatigued at limp adaptations of Japanese anime by Hollywood producers, because for decades American creatives have demonstrated a woeful misunderstanding of the cultural themes that make these stories special. Ungainly attempts at an American remake of the 1988 sci-fi classic Akira have tried to set the story in New York City, despite Akira fundamentally being about Japan’s 20th century existential crisis, as evidenced by its depictions of civil unrest, rampant bōsōzoku gangs, and predominant nuclear imagery.

Although most Hollywood adaptations of anime often exhibit laborious visual devotion to these stories — as in the Scarlett Johansson-led Ghost in the Shell from 2017, which contained several shot-for-shot mimicries of the 1995 anime film — these still fail to adapt to a new medium. Cowboy Bebop is both the best and most recent example. In spite of the show’s obvious efforts to be the anime, the actual filmmaking failed to be as lively, energetic, and rhythmic as it is in animation. It was like watching a faded photocopy.

Casting further divided fandom. In the lead role of bounty hunter Spike Spiegel was John Cho, the Korean-American actor whose success in Hollywood has come to represent something bigger than himself. There was also Mustafa Shakir, whose Bushmaster in Luke Cage was a revelation, as pilot Jet Black, and Daniella Pineda, an exciting new talent whose Faye Valentine called for spunk and sultriness.

Though recognized by the mainstream for his work in the raunchy Harold & Kumar films and the reboot Star Trek trilogy, Cho has been unable to crack Hollywood’s bamboo ceiling. He hasn’t become a proper Hollywood star, despite all his qualifications as a leading male actor. But Cho’s involvement in the Netflix series felt subversive. Because most anime adaptations cast white actors as its leads, Cho’s role as Spike — whose race is unspecified in the anime — felt declarative of something resembling a point. And for Cho, the series was shaping up to be the vehicle to finally take Cho to the stars.

But could it actually? There’s a semi-recent phenomenon in cultural commentary known as “representation sweats.” Now that acknowledging identity has become part of still systemically-white movies and TV shows, audiences of color “sweat” over projects featuring ethnic minorities, especially whether these projects are actually worth attention. Because of the supply-and-demand machinations that run Hollywood, there’s always a fear that projects like Cowboy Bebop will “fail” and end the potential of other diverse casts. If it looks like there’s no demand, Hollywood will scuttle the supply.

With its diverse ensemble led by the appealing John Cho, Bebop epitomized representation sweats. Because of its high profile as an adaptation of a classic on a major streamer, its performance on Netflix’s platform can and will determine if more projects like it are made. It’s all the more maddening that Netflix refuses to disclose anything about its viewing numbers, so decisions to renew or cancel shows is purely open to speculation.

As of now, Cowboy Bebop’s worth to Netflix is clear. Netflix is still interested in anime (it’s got a live adaptation of One Piece in development), and it doesn’t seem like anyone’s career has ended overnight. Certainly not John Cho’s, as he has more work in varying stages of production. Folks can sweat a little less about that. But for all this tireless discourse, from the futility of American anime adaptations to the “rep sweats” its cast presented, what was the point of all this if Netflix wasn’t committed to it?

In my review, I wrote that Cowboy Bebop was a dud that didn’t capture the same spirit as its more compelling source material. But I still rooted for it. I want the people behind it to have the space and resources to try again. Cowboy Bebop had an enviably charismatic ensemble who only needed better material to work with. That the second season promised to venture into new territory the anime didn’t seemed promising. The show could stand on its own rather than dwell in the shadows of something better.

If there’s one drawback to the streaming age, it’s impatience. Streamers want new shows to come out with late-era Game of Thrones buzz, which fails to recognize that it took years for Game of Thrones to achieve a high profile. This isn’t to say Cowboy Bebop deserved eight seasons, but it’s not unheard of for television shows to reiterate and retool over time. Netflix didn’t get Cowboy Bebop right on their first take, but imagine if they had the time, space, and money to try for a second. But with the baggage of anime adaptations and the costly risk to diverse representation in the marketplace, is it even worth continuing to try in the first place?

Cowboy Bebop is streaming now on Netflix.
 
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Also let me bitch about Stargate for a second. Or maybe I'm bitching about Hulu. Either way I've become my father, who used to say something along the lines of: "The whole point of buying cable when it came out was that it was a paid service and I wouldn't have to deal with commercials. And now there are commercials everywhere and I hate it."

So I got Hulu for the SOLE PURPOSE of watching Stargate Atlantis (because I have just watched Season 8, Episode 2 of Stargate SG-1 and therefore have to now begin alternating between shows if I want the top-tier disco shit experience - cool whatever I'm fine with that) so I sit down the other night to start my new show and four and a half minutes into the first episode of SG: Atlantis the show cuts out and there's a fucking commercial. The whole point of buying a streaming service when they were introduced was that it was a paid service and I wouldn't have to deal with commercials. And now there are commercials everywhere and I hate it. These fucking paid-services have more commercials than broadcast television.

So anyway I'm pirating the entire series and burning it onto DVDs and making cute little DVD cases for each season and it is fun and enriching and fuck Hulu.

What the fuck was this thread about again? Oh... wow I'm way out in the weeds here. :bork:
Stargate Atlantis aired in it's entirety on Comet a few years ago before they aired SG-1

For some reason they haven't gone back to air Atlantis again even though they've done the full series of SG-1 a few times since then.

I like Atlantis it has a light hearted almost comicbook feel to it. But watching the first season or two of SG-1 again I forgot how dark and serious that show was.
 
It's not just getting the vibe right that's difficult with live action adaptations. Animated media of all sorts, not just anime, lends itself better to doing certain things like fight scenes and physics defying motions, among other shit. Most of the fight scenes in anime couldn't be translated into live action without a massive sfx budget. Also, stop being creatively bankrupt. Hell, if you wanna make a live action show inspired by an anime, that's one thing, but doing a straight adaptation will only ever lead to disappointment.
lmfao at using the phrase straight adaptation near Netflix Bebop. It was barely an adaptation and it definitely wasn't straight
 
This isn't the first time they've adapted noir and made it shit, and it won't be the last time, and just like the Max Payne movie, nobody fucking watched this trash fire either. There's something to be said about the enduring quality of noir, but it needs to be handled by someone with actual prose and writing talent, not morons and mogoloids that lack the ability to form a decent analogy who'd sooner bastardize someone else's work than come up with an original thought.
 
But why? If you're going to make a shot for shot remake of the original but this time do live action? Why make it at all?
To be fair, that's one complaint I have about anime in Japan, minus the live action part. To me if I ignore the woke western live action parts, this still feels like a real problem I have with the anime industry today.

Did we really need Evangelion Death and Rebirth and You Are (not) Alone and You Can (not) Advance?

Did we really need Madoka Magika Beginnings or Eternal?

Sailor Moon Crystal? Fruits Basket?

I haven't seen them but I've heard about Hunter x Hunter, Shaman King and Digimon getting reboots too. No idea if those are remakes or remasters or retcons or what.

Why do they keep remaking series into summary movies? And re-adapting manga that already have an anime with "It's more faithful this time!" as a selling point? Back in my day, anime and manga were different and we'd get into arguments about which was better, but even if you've already read/seen one, it was still worth seeing/reading the other just because of those differences.

Nowadays it's like... Ok? I can get the story faster using the older version so why wait for the cliffhangers to resolve? It being a faithful adaption might be great for the people who said manga was better, but honestly at this point it might make more sense to just make pilot episodes and skip the actual season since if I like it I'll go to the source instead of waiting for the season finale.

Really the only reasons I can think of to enjoy these super faithful adaptions are if there's a significant increase in quality / it gets new Blurays produced, if the focus of the story is something not conveyed well in manga/LNs (music, special attacks), or if there's an international simulcast and the original source is inaccesible (never translated, out of print). Sure there are some uses, but somehow the unfaithful filler-fluffed Anime seasons of times long past seemed more... Interesting? Worthwhile?

Vaguely related: Power Rangers. Sometimes they just whitewash Super Sentai, sometimes they actually rewrite the plot. Guess which is more interesting?
 
Actually, at least part of the steven universe animation isn't that they went off model for any major purpose, they just went off model because there were no references they actually used. When they wanted to, they could show very good detail, like with whenever steven played the ukulele, but having characters size drift wildly back and forth at the same time. I even remember there's two episodes where steven is working on the kitchen counter, one standing normally, the other on a stool. Even then, criticism only spiked when the storyboarders were mismatched and characters had significant model changes mid-episode.

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On it's own, it's whatever, but when characters relative heights were a plot point - in two seperate episodes, no less - it becomes a bit ridiculous. Going off model for artistic reasons is one thing. Going off model because you're too lazy to care is another, and SU was firmly in the latter camp.
I think the problem with SU (which admittedly I’ve never watched) was a total lack of discipline and a revolving door of animators that were not told “no, fucker, refer to the baseline character model“.
It’s really easy to stray from the original design if you just let animators do whatever.
 
Halle-fucking-lujah.

The only people who should be making anime are Japanese. Even manhua sucks (except The Breaker and The Moonlight Dancer, they’re decent).

I reluctantly accept that some people like dubs (and I know some dyslexic people who NEED them) but otherwise anime should stay in Japan and out of Western clutches.

The only anime ever improved by the west is Nerima Daikon Brothers.
 
Halle-fucking-lujah.

The only people who should be making anime are Japanese. Even manhua sucks (except The Breaker and The Moonlight Dancer, they’re decent).

I reluctantly accept that some people like dubs (and I know some dyslexic people who NEED them) but otherwise anime should stay in Japan and out of Western clutches.

The only anime ever improved by the west is Nerima Daikon Brothers.
and Ghost Stories.
 
This isn't the first time they've adapted noir and made it shit, and it won't be the last time, and just like the Max Payne movie, nobody fucking watched this trash fire either. There's something to be said about the enduring quality of noir, but it needs to be handled by someone with actual prose and writing talent, not morons and mogoloids that lack the ability to form a decent analogy who'd sooner bastardize someone else's work than come up with an original thought.
Max Payne the movie was honestly weird. The game itself is already half-way a cinematic movie, and they already had a complete storyboard in the form of the graphic novel interludes. How they managed to fuck up such a ready source material never fails to amaze and enrage.
 
Western adaptations of anime are always going to suck for one reason or another.

The changes they made to Gren actually baffled me. I get it that people are fuckin stupid and need shit hand fed to them but they took a character that already had gender traumas and had accepted his messed up body and mortality and just… scrapped the whole plot he was involved in? But I guess wanted to keep him in some form since he’s a lot of people’s favorite side character and was in two of the really good episodes?

You’d think that with trans people screaming about never getting the right representation all the time having a guy who had his body changed to something else against his will and having to come to terms with that body would have been an interesting avenue to explore, if they were going to make him a bigger character anyway.

I read some article about it and they said his whole thing was transphobic but I went back and rewatched Jupiter Jazz 1&2 and it felt way more nuanced than that, and didn’t read as anything but the fucked up fate of a double crossed soldier.
 
Western adaptations of anime are always going to suck for one reason or another.

The changes they made to Gren actually baffled me. I get it that people are fuckin stupid and need shit hand fed to them but they took a character that already had gender traumas and had accepted his messed up body and mortality and just… scrapped the whole plot he was involved in? But I guess wanted to keep him in some form since he’s a lot of people’s favorite side character and was in two of the really good episodes?

You’d think that with trans people screaming about never getting the right representation all the time having a guy who had his body changed to something else against his will and having to come to terms with that body would have been an interesting avenue to explore, if they were going to make him a bigger character anyway.

I read some article about it and they said his whole thing was transphobic but I went back and rewatched Jupiter Jazz 1&2 and it felt way more nuanced than that, and didn’t read as anything but the fucked up fate of a double crossed soldier.
Apparently the writer was extremely offended by the very concept of someone being forced to transition (because the only reason someone ever would transition is for true and honest and 100% heckin' valid reasons) and considered even putting that out there as tantamount to troon genocide, so they changed him into a generic empowered cardboard cutout.
 
Apparently the writer was extremely offended by the very concept of someone being forced to transition (because the only reason someone ever would transition is for true and honest and 100% heckin' valid reasons) and considered even putting that out there as tantamount to troon genocide, so they changed him into a generic empowered cardboard cutout.
Thankfully my questions about why and how and for what reason will no longer have to take up brain space considering it’s done now.

I’d rather have the more interesting and dark take on things in a series that has a lot of noire elements but throw glitter on it go off I guess. (Haha, they did go off. Got fuckin’ cancelled. Sweet Jesus it’s like an early Christmas present.)
 
And Why It's A Good Thing

Did we really need Evangelion Death and Rebirth and You Are (not) Alone and You Can (not) Advance?

Did we really need Madoka Magika Beginnings or Eternal?

Sailor Moon Crystal? Fruits Basket?

Why do they keep remaking series into summary movies? And re-adapting manga that already have an anime with "It's more faithful this time!" as a selling point? Back in my day, anime and manga were different and we'd get into arguments about which was better, but even if you've already read/seen one, it was still worth seeing/reading the other just because of those differences.
At least the new Fruits Basket fully adapts the manga - the old anime covered only a portion of it.

It's all about sales - 'renew' the property so you can sell some more merch to new fans. It's redundant and seemingly a huge waste of money, but it works.
 
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