Could the United States collapse?

The government, businesses and society know how to keep people docile and obedient and as long as they keep doing what they're doing
If this was 10 years ago I would agree, but take a look outside now, the cost of living is high everywhere and most people can only dream of owning a house even in rural areas due to boomers and blackrock.
America will be around for a long, long time to come. America endures because of the American people, not the government/media/law enforcement/judiciary/'science'.
America will still be around no matter what but in what form, currently its where the elites on both sides are constantly screwing over the people of their wealth, liberty and happiness. I don't disagree that we will still exist but its naive to think that this broken system is gonna last much longer given that we've gone past the point where people could co-exist, that is without mentioning immigration and the constant and daily anti-natalist preaching by the left. I stand by what I said before that a civil war will eventually happen but no matter who wins, america will still be around, either as one united state or with states somehow being able to force dc to let them secede
 
If this was 10 years ago I would agree, but take a look outside now, the cost of living is high everywhere and most people can only dream of owning a house even in rural areas due to boomers and blackrock.
Take a look at the plethora of other shithole countries far worse than America. Notice they haven't gone into anarchy or revolution for a long time. Cope harder.
 
Yes, they can, no one has canceled the law of entropy.
No, that's not going to happen in the near future.
 
The context of the phenomenon of the lifetimes of empires isn't that nations and boundaries are wiped clean from the map, it's old regimes and governments.
It's more likely the basic standard of living will just slowly get worse and worse over time than there being any kind of big dramatic "collapse" moment.

Maybe future historians looking back will be able to pin-point a moment they will deem the collapse of The U.S. but living through it I think it will be less clear.
IMO there will be no collapse where the American people cease to exist barring a catastrophic nuclear world war, but in a situation where we start to see moves towards bi-/multi-polarity (it's definitely stirring after the US weaponized the financial system against Russia) + gridlock/bureaucractic inertia/lack of faith in Washington, the US could start to see a higher structural inflation due to a growing inability to export its inflation to the rest of the world + limits to its ability to resist entropy through access to cheap energy and resources.

As such, the effectiveness and reach of the federal government could very much recede through actual economic limitations + increasing regional defiance, resulting in a gradual diminishing of real Washington power and the regionalization of power within the 'nations' of America. Likewise given recent precedent, there could be fits and spurts of tyranny as the federal government attempts to assert and reassert its power, both in reaction to and causing increasing subordination and disobedience from the states themselves (i.e. during the pandemic with the federal mandates)- gaps that will grow only wider with each power move.

So absent of any great unifying event (non-nuclear 'just' war) or exceptional individual, and between actual geographic/cultural 'nations' (Pacific Northwest, the South) and political ones (red state vs blue state), the US could ultimately slowly transition into a situation not unlike that of the late Holy Roman Empire- led by an increasingly ineffective and ceremonial President and Congress, while the actual power increasingly lies in the hands of the counties, states and perhaps a patchwork of regional unions.

I personally think that the chances of military takeover has decreased in lockstep with the erosion of US patriotism, but I wonder what sort of role the three-letter agencies will take during such a devolution of power. Will they still be active throughout the lower 48? Or would they perhaps reestablish themselves at their centres of power? Imagine a mercenarial NSA-CIA operating out of Saratoga Springs, offering its services to any state willing to pay for it...
 
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There's also a lot of other big countries like China that have been around for a lot longer than 250 years I'd say even if there's a government upheaval the USA is gonna be somewhat ok. Fuck, sweden's government is infamous for actively trying to kill their country and despite the rising violence and shit the place still exists. I don't get why people in current year keep equating America to empire type countries before collapse.

If there is some form of great change though, I hope it results in people being a lot less fake and the situation's better than the shit thats going on right now.
China hasn't been a country for that long. China itself has a very, very turbulent history of dynasties and empires. To call it stable is laughable.
Agree no collapse coming. We've been through much worse, such as the Civil War, the Great Depression, and the 1960's. In my opinion, this theme is nothing more than verbal masturbation on the part of some people.

America works not because of the government/media/law enforcement/judiciary, but despite it. Americans of all types daily work together, live together, do business together.

Have said it before, will say it again. If it wasn't for the government/media constantly stirring up shit, the vast majority of Americans would get along just fine.

Will go even further - folks, why does the government/media keep shoving their 'flavors of the month' down our throats? In 2020 it was BLM/rioting/Chinese flu. In 2021 it was 1-6 and the Chinese flu. In 2022 it was the troons and drag shows. If you are a thinking person, and those on KF are thinking people, suggest you ask why this shit happens. Who benefits from these tactics? Who gains when American is pitted against American? And who loses when Americans wake up to reality and en masse ignore all the government/media's lies and bullshit, like last year, when people finally had enough of the Chinese flu shit. Gee, things started changing fast, didn't they?

And recently some cocksucker had the sheer gall to ask forgiveness for all the oppressive measures taken against innocent Americans during the Chinese flu. The overwhelming reaction was "fuck you, no forgiveness, assholes".

America will be around for a long, long time to come. America endures because of the American people, not the government/media/law enforcement/judiciary/'science'.
The 60's never ended, and almost all of today's ills can be traced back to it. If anything kills America you can point to that era.
 
China hasn't been a country for that long. China itself has a very, very turbulent history of dynasties and empires. To call it stable is laughable.
Unstable for sure, but it still remained through all that instability. Same thing's happened with several fucking european countries and a LOT of other countries around the world. In the end though, someone's usually willing to keep things going during those dissonant and trying times. I'm less talking about a single empire or dynasty here and more just society itself. It'd be extremely hard to pull off a complete collapse scenario without glassing the planet.
 
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I see the US going the same way as the British Empire, a slow slide into irrelevance. In twenty years or so we'll be able to look back and say "yep, X event was America's Suez"
 
I see the US going the same way as the British Empire, a slow slide into irrelevance. In twenty years or so we'll be able to look back and say "yep, X event was America's Suez"
We have 330+ million people in our metropole and thanks to immigration from all over the world it won't stop for the foreseeable future.

A decline similar to the British Empire simply isn't going to happen...the UK tried to rule hundreds of millions of people overseas with a population a fraction of the size of their subjects while the United States is so overwhelmingly dominant compared to its territories and allies there's no comparison.

Like it or not, the United States is going to be the most powerful nation on Earth for centuries to come.
 
Define “collapse.”

If you mean some dramatic moment where the shit hits the fan, then no. This country will just get browner and shittier. We are no longer capable of doing anything like an interstate system ever again. The best we can do is the James Webb telescope and that is fraught with bitching because it was named after a huwhite male, even if we’ve seen incredible things. Things we used to consider as givens like home ownership have been lost to millennials. Car ownership is on deck and will be lost to generation alpha or whatever the fuck they will call it.

Anyone who thinks it won’t just be some slow rotting death has watched too many movies. Pockets of the country will fare better than others depending on how white the population will be. A civil war is a fantasy because these disparate groups have nothing in common so they’ll never be able to band together.
 
When the roman empire collapsed, the eastern roman empire persevered for a long time after. Though the british empire collapsed, the UK is still a force in the world.

Collapse usually doesn't mean disintegration.

More than anything the US will collapse because people don't believe in it.

But it might not come as soon as many would think. People think the transfer of power from US to China is organic, and I thonk these people are mistaken. Build back better is a planned demolition, not something that happens due to an outside force or internal weakness. Much like the fall of the 3 world trade center buildings.
 
I think it's probably on its last legs tbh. Inflation just keeps going up and there have not really been any moves made to stop it. I know a lot of people here like Trump, but even if he gets in, in the next election he was not someone who cared much about spending. Likewise, it seems like China has made some moves to make itself less dependent on the US economy, but the same can't be said on the other side.
 
Unstable for sure, but it still remained through all that instability. Same thing's happened with several fucking european countries and a LOT of other countries around the world. In the end though, someone's usually willing to keep things going during those dissonant and trying times. I'm less talking about a single empire or dynasty here and more just society itself. It'd be extremely hard to pull off a complete collapse scenario without glassing the planet.
And even then, a typical dynasty that succeeded at centralizing power lasted about 250 years anyways, sometimes hitting 500. Chinese culture managed to survive the Cultural Revolution because of how ethnically chauvinistic they are about the subject. That's the frustrating part of studying Chinese History; it's very repetitive for the most part until the British show up. I'm not convinced American values will transmit after the fall of the American Empire because no one believes in the sanctity of the Constitution and all the Enlightenment values that go with it. Today, the population only cares about their own finances, which is understandable, but it doesn't create civic duty.

Show of dislikes, how many Kiwis are willing to die for today's America? Not for the America of the 20th century, 21th century America with our love of troons, gays, feminists, and BLM.
When the roman empire collapsed, the eastern roman empire persevered for a long time after. Though the british empire collapsed, the UK is still a force in the world.

Collapse usually doesn't mean disintegration.

More than anything the US will collapse because people don't believe in it.

But it might not come as soon as many would think. People think the transfer of power from US to China is organic, and I thonk these people are mistaken. Build back better is a planned demolition, not something that happens due to an outside force or internal weakness. Much like the fall of the 3 world trade center buildings.
This is what I think Boomers miss. The US's ability to project influence is weakening and Afghanistan is the first indicator of that, which why it's called the Graveyard of Empires. Europe is weakening from the Russia-Ukraine War, Russia and China are trying to develop their own system of finance that does not require the US dollar, and neutral countries have to weigh whether allegiance to the Rules based Liberal Order is really worth it. The US itself will probably turn into a rump North American state. The biggest fish when compared to any other American power like Brazil, Guatemala, or Mexico, but it won't be a superpower like in the 20th, which I will refer to as the US's Golden Age.
 
The USA has been in decline for decades, and will likely continue to slide further into bureaucratic morass for decades to come.
Any federal collapse won't be the "end" of America, as our state governments can keep things going as the country reorganizes into whatever replaces it.
Any collapse will likely be economic, civil war is less likely, but more fun.

There's also a lot of other big countries like China that have been around for a lot longer than 250 years I'd say even if there's a government upheaval the USA is gonna be somewhat ok. Fuck, sweden's government is infamous for actively trying to kill their country and despite the rising violence and shit the place still exists. I don't get why people in current year keep equating America to empire type countries before collapse.

If there is some form of great change though, I hope it results in people being a lot less fake and the situation's better than the shit thats going on right now.

Are you retarded?

Please tell me how long you think China has "been around". Do you think we're actually talking about the physical land mass? Jesus fucking christ, buddy. The Lord is testing me today.
 
Show of dislikes, how many Kiwis are willing to die for today's America? Not for the America of the 20th century, 21th century America with our love of troons, gays, feminists, and BLM.
Every single Kiwi will suddenly declare their love for Joe Biden and pledge their allegience, their lives, your lives, and your children's lives to the same government that they've declared illiegitimate for the past 3 years the moment they declare war on China.
 
Every single Kiwi will suddenly declare their love for Joe Biden and pledge their allegience, their lives, your lives, and your children's lives to the same government that they've declared illiegitimate for the past 3 years the moment they declare war on China.
It's more like when the next presidential administration starts enacting covid-style lockdowns for ideological reasons Kiwifarms will comply with whatever happens. Probably just minor questioning and being detained in their mom's house while Null is declared a white supremacist terrorist despite doing everything his fed handlers have ever asked of him.
 
America dies when the American people are replaced with mexigoblins though. And those are out-breeding every other demographic.
People stubbornly refuse to understand this, no matter how many times you point to the evidence. "BUT MUH BASED TRADCATH HISPANICS!" they cry, as the fucking border fleas create mexican cartel branches on US soil. They are incapable of accepting that racial differences are real and it will be their undoing as America becomes nothing better than a particular large gathering of 'hispanic' scum.

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