Could any state successfully leave the union?

[Free the Pedos]

Could any state or group of states successfully leave the union in the 21st century? If so, how do you see that happening?

 

[Die Oberste Direktive]

I doubt that it will happen without causing Civil War 2, but Texas is probably the best candidate for separatism. Basically everyone except wetbacks down there see themselves as Texans first, Americans second.

 

[Testacles Maximus]

I’d let CA do it.

 

[Lone MacReady]

Abraham didn't like it the last time states tried. Had to bring in unconstitutional Fiat currency and kill a whole lot of Whites to keep the banana Republic from splintering right then and there. Sic Semper Tyrannis.

 

[MoffAlbert]

If any state leaves the union, it will be because either the state sunk below sea level or became an uninhabitable wasteland. Uncle Sam will pry your tax dollars from you no matter the cost.

 

[Netizennameless]

I doubt that it will happen without causing Civil War 2, but Texas is probably the best candidate for separatism. Basically everyone except wetbacks down there see themselves as Texans first, Americans second.

Even the wetbacks see themselves as Tejano first. Same thing.

I suspect in 2022+ a single state or a few states would be allowed to secede. The federal government at this point could easily embargo any state that tried, and blackball them from the international market with economic/Military force. The isolated state would cuck after a few years and rejoin the union, with far less bloodshed and a fresh deterrent to secession as a precedent.

If California, New York, Florida and Texas all seceded together the US would be fucked, but good luck getting them to agree on politics.

 

[Die Oberste Direktive]

Even the wetbacks see themselves as Tejano first. Same thing.

I guess I should have been more specific that not seeing themselves as Americans is the part where the wetbacks differ, but you're right.

 

[Bored Gamer]

Yes, but only after the current generation of octogenarians die off. Despite all their faults, their successors seem to be even dumber and will probably do something so retarded it causes the end of the union.

 

[Breadbassket]

States successfully leaving the Union depends on the president. For some kind of precedent, Abraham Lincoln viewed the Confederate secession as unlawful and that they didn't have a right to leave. From how I understand it, under a weak-willed president secession could happen, but a strong-willed one on the other hand would do everything they could to prevent it through force of arms if need be. A state successfully leaving the Union all depends on the circumstances.

 

[Butterschmalz]

Not a fucken chance. Whoever wants to push it through will be eppsteined, have an accident or will be caught with child porn long before it happens. No political solution, just a long and slow decline.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

Probably Texas...

 

[cigint]

The best I can do is an autonomous zone in the middle of an urban area, with a rapper and his crew as local law enfarcement.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Not a chance. The last time states seceded from the Union, they all got their asses handed to them after four years of a very bloody horrifying war.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

The state seceded from the union because it was an open question if where and when the constitution was silent on secession, does that imply that it is forbidden or permitted? It is one of those situations where if parking is allowed between 12am-5pm then it can be assumed that parking logically isn't allowed 5pm-12am else that sign has no purpose to being there.

Many thought the constitution was a voluntary document, there were presidents who spoke officially to state representatives in state and federal office as if it were a continuing agreement rather than a binding law forever and ever. The civil war actually began over the seizing of federal forts effectively attacking the remaining Union Army and starting a war. It was more fumbling and fucking up during the whole affair, but technically that was the flashpoint beginning the civil war.

Today, I assume the open question of counties seceding from their state to join another state is modern the Great Question within American instability and potential conflict.

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If counties are strategically moved to by democrats or republicans, and plebiscites are successfully made, you could see major changes happen to contain rival voting blocs. I imagine a half-way point somewhere along the rebalancing of states there could be people caught bussing in voters, that would spark quite a fight. Ultimately, I don't think this will make a coming civil war much more than states like California or Tejas seceding, but I do think Civil War 2.0 is a little more likely than Civil War 1.0b.