Communists - That time when 100 million people died wasn't REAL communism, comrade

[Super-Chevy454]

Saw this on Instagram. Of course they cherry pick and leave out important details like the fact that many of the countries before intervention happened were wrought with human rights violations. Albania's leader Enver Hoxha (who was a communist and socialist) during the majority of its Communist Regime was a horrendously cruel dictator and human rights abuser.

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MLK wasn't exactly a communist either.

I could imagine a Willy Wonka meme saying: "If capitalism had outlived its usefulness, tell us why socialism/marxism/communism hadn't outlived its usefulness?".

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

TL;DR: Communism/socialism doesn't work because of other people's fault, not of the system itself.
More proof that whoever follows this God-forsaken ideology has the mind of a child and should not be let near any position of power, ever.

Marxism is a purely economic ideology. I am in favour of worker coops. Worker coops is just the extension of democracy into the workplace. If you think that worker coops don't work then by necessity you must also think that democracy doesn't. If you are pro-democracy you should be pro marxism

 

[NerdShamer]

Marxism is a purely economic ideology. I am in favour of worker coops. Worker coops is just the extension of democracy into the workplace. If you think that worker coops don't work then by necessity you must also think that democracy doesn't. If you are pro-democracy you should be pro marxism

I'm not entirely convinced that it'll pan out in the long run. I mean, if you're relying on most of your line employees to make an educated decision on how to expand the business, it'll be hard to reach a consensus.

 

[Freshly Baked Socks]

Marxism is a purely economic ideology. I am in favour of worker coops. Worker coops is just the extension of democracy into the workplace. If you think that worker coops don't work then by necessity you must also think that democracy doesn't. If you are pro-democracy you should be pro marxism

I understand. I do not think democracy works, it is just pandering to the masses - similar to communism in that regard.

Capitalism makes work valuable to the individual. I like that. I'm going to do more of that.

 

[melty]

Oh, so we just need to make the entire planet communist all at once so that nobody screws it up this time. Sounds easy.

 

[cybertoaster]

Marxism is a purely economic ideology. I am in favour of worker coops. Worker coops is just the extension of democracy into the workplace. If you think that worker coops don't work then by necessity you must also think that democracy doesn't. If you are pro-democracy you should be pro marxism

Most coops go to shit because talented workers see they have to work harder because other workers dont do shit but arent fired because "solidarity"

Then you have the other workers who start stealing from the coop and again dont get fired because solidarity and "keeping the coop together" but eventually the coop goes bankrupt because the stealing got out of control, this also happened a lot in socialist countries where a lot of stuff in the black market was simply stolen from coops and state companies, same reason why you had to wait 10 years for a fucking car: your fellow workers were stealing all the fucking parts, sometimes even entire cars

Very few coops actually work and when you look at them its just another corporation except the employees have most of the stock

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Most coops go to shit because talented workers see they have to work harder because other workers dont do shit but arent fired because "solidarity"

Then you have the other workers who start stealing from the coop and again dont get fired because solidarity and "keeping the coop together" but eventually the coop goes bankrupt because the stealing got out of control

There are so many wealthy and successful worker coops that your anecdotes are insignificant. If you want proof that a coop can work on a large scale look at the Mondragon corporation, one of the biggest companies in Spain. They employ ~85k people and have produced something $12 billion in profit in 2015.

this also happened a lot in socialist countries where a lot of stuff in the black market was simply stolen from coops and state companies, same reason why you had to wait 10 years for a fucking car: your fellow workers were stealing all the fucking parts, sometimes even entire cars

this is a total non sequitor. Even if it wasn't, I'm not a stalinist or some other form of tankie so it wouldn't apply to me.

Very few coops actually work and when you look at them its just another corporation except the employees have most of the stock

If you're so sure give me an example. All coops I know (and there are thousands across the entire world) are decentralized and democratic.

And at the end of this all you haven't actually an argument against worker coops, you have just said that they can't work. If worker coops reduced total productivity but raised total happiness then it would be worth it to prefer coops over capitalist businesses. After all, I'm not concerned with how much money I can make I'm concerned with human happiness.

 

[cybertoaster]

Every commie always names mondragon, is literally the only coop of any importance that isnt kept alive by state welfare either

 

[NerdShamer]

I'm not exactly sure what's the lifespan for these companies. I mean, it's good if you want an entry-level position; but Wikipedia is braying on how great they are and stuff.

Something feels off about this.

 

[Stoneheart]

I am in favour of worker coops. Worker coops is just the extension of democracy into the workplace. If you think that worker coops don't work then by necessity you must also think that democracy doesn't. If you are pro-democracy you should be pro marxism

Democracy doesnt work so why should worker coops?

Very few coops actually work and when you look at them its just another corporation except the employees have most of the stock

well yeah.

And at the end of this all you haven't actually an argument against worker coops, you have just said that they can't work. If worker coops reduced total productivity but raised total happiness then it would be worth it to prefer coops over capitalist businesses. After all, I'm not concerned with how much money I can make I'm concerned with human happiness.

being lazy makes nobody happy, its also a crime against humanity to not work hard.

Every commie always names mondragon, is literally the only coop of any importance that isnt kept alive by state welfare either

there are plenty in europe, but they have nothing to do with socialism so they dont count...
Edeka is pretty big and a very remarkable beast... its a supermarket franchise owned by the shop owners.

I'm not exactly sure what's the lifespan for these companies.

well there are some that are 150 years old and still going strong.

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

I love how they think socialist communist countries were some utopias when people living in these dangerous, poorly made blocks were dirt poor and couldn't afford anything.

They also killed off all those whom they thought were undesireable but they'd like to sweep over that.

 

[NerdShamer]

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I love how they think socialist communist countries were some utopias when people living in these dangerous, poorly made blocks were dirt poor and couldn't afford anything.

They also killed off all those whom they thought were undesireable but they'd like to sweep over that.

You left out the "work or die" mentality.

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

"My family and I had to flee Cuba because Castro was going to seize our property and execu-."

 

[AltisticRight]

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I love how they think socialist communist countries were some utopias when people living in these dangerous, poorly made blocks were dirt poor and couldn't afford anything.

They also killed off all those whom they thought were undesireable but they'd like to sweep over that.

"Let me use this publicly funded benches in publicly funded parks with dumb measures to prevent hobos as an example of capitalism".

 

[DeadFish]

There is no replacing capitalism. There is no utopia to take it place.

The only solution when capitalism get bad is disruption of plutocratic networks, relationships and the systems they have control over.

 

[NerdShamer]

"My family and I had to flee Cuba because Castro was going to seize our property and execu-."
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Mostly because Fulgencio Batista was turning Cuba into Las Vegas with sugar plantations in the background... Until he started killing people for being the bogeymen.

Castro was arguably worse, since he started a policy where free speech is technically legal... Until it starts undermining his ideology. Plus, you had to enroll within the state-approved labor union if you wanted to work; and starting your own made you a victim of police brutality.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Mostly because Fulgencio Batista was turning Cuba into Las Vegas with sugar plantations in the background... Until he started killing people for being the bogeymen.

Castro was arguably worse, since he started a policy where free speech is technically legal... Until it starts undermining his ideology. Plus, you had to enroll within the state-approved labor union if you wanted to work; and starting your own made you a victim of police brutality.

Yeah, Batista was a SOB but Castro said "hold my beer".

Btw, I spotted some clips of Cuba before Castro castrated the Cuban people. Some wokes will said it's capitalist propraganda, lol.

 

[Dead Labour]

My god what a reactionary website

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

communists really do and do advocate for a lot of things

 

[Slap47]

My god what a reactionary website

Turn back the clock to social liberalism? Probably a good idea.