Commonly Held Beliefs On Kiwi Farms - What opinions or trends are most common on Kiwi Farms?

[Minx95]

Kiwi Farms comprises of differing beliefs, opinions and political stances
The forum comprises of people from all backgrounds, races and ethnicities.
It is one of the things many praise here on this site.

However, like all sites and communities, there will be similarities between users on a number of issues. There will be trends.
From my short time on here, I have found that there are a few issues or opinions that are shared by many Kiwis.

Here are a few.
Keep in mind, most of these points I understand and agree to some extent.

1. A distaste for making a hobby your identity. This is either with gaming, a certain franchise or brand.
Whether this is a distaste for making your hobby's part of who you are or whether this is making your hobby your entire identity I'm not so sure.

I think your hobby becomes a part of you no matter what. We all get excited or passionate for them. If you are asked who you are, you'll talk about your hobbies. A lot of our free time is spent talking about them with friends or online or just indulging in them. I mean this site itself is a discussion forum for many different things.

It's fine to me to be invested in a show/movie/book/sport and have it be a part of you. But when you obsess over it, and have nothing else its a problem. Its the consoomer vs fan problem.

Keep in moderation. Enjoy memes and make the odd references here and there, hell go to conventions or cosplay but have other stuff as well and accept criticism. Don't just enjoy one single thing.

Don't just buy something because of a certain IP. If you really want it, sure. Go ahead. If you want a collection or decorate your house with some of your interests, theres nothing wrong with that. Just don't go overboard.


2. A distaste for making things made for fun serious.
This includes gaming or sometimes sports. There are those who are into pro gaming and speedrunning, but its a minority from what I can see.

I think this is no different to people who play non league football. If they are doing something they enjoy and make enough to get through their daily lives, then I have no issue with it. If they make their passion a career or something, that's fine.
Now small Youtubers or twitch streamers I would say are fine so long as they have work or something else do do.


3. A distaste for turning a hobby into a lifestyle.
More explanation on this would be appreciated.

The "gamer" lifestyle to me is an odd one. I'm fine with it, a lot of people, this forum included enjoy playing games.
Gamer as an identity or lifestyle is fine so long as you have other interests as well and you can financially support it.
As well as contributing to society either by entertainment (Youtube, twitch, ect.) or by having a job.

4. A distaste for those who do not work.
Either those who refuse work or those who use the internet as a means of earning a living.

Justified when it comes to those who refuse to work, unless they have a genuine reason.
Internet famous people are the same as anyone else who has their passion as a job.

5. A strong belief in freedom of speech.
Self explanatory.

Freedom of speech is absolutely important.


6. A dislike on philosophising about media, video essays and such.

Video essays, no matter what are interesting to listen to IMO.
Talking about the world, the details, the ideas and why you enjoy something is perfectly fine to me.

These are some of those I have found.
If there are any others, state them down below.
As well as explain more the opinions commonly expressed here on the site.

 

[The Cunting Death]

"Don't take the internet seriously "

 

[Reverend]

The only cardinal rule that applies on KF is:
"Never, under any circumstances, pozload my neghole"

Everything else is a guidelines.

 

[Bins]

1. A distaste for making a hobby your identity. This is either with gaming, a certain franchise or brand.
Whether this is a distaste for making your hobby's part of who you are or whether this is making your hobby your entire identity I'm not so sure.

3. A distaste for turning a hobby into a lifestyle.
More explanation on this would be appreciated.

Turning a hobby into a lifestyle really relates to your number 1. Most hobbies -> career paths are hyper competitive. Been to a pottery fair before? There will be 30-50 other people selling their finely crated mugs, bowls, pipes, etc against yours. Sell on the internet? Well now you're competing with people who just will print anything on any mug for a fraction of the cost. Try etsy? Well now you're competing with 1000s all trying to gain their SEO so theirs shows up before yours. It takes a lot of skill, luck (location, other factors), dick sucking, and marketing to succeed in those fields. Same with music, art, photography, sewing, knitting, and so forth. It's not to say you can't, but it's really, really hard to succeed, especially in fields where China dumps worthless garbage against you but yours cost $40 and theirs cost $1. It's not so much you can't, but you should not put all your marbles in one basket. The Unicorn ranch a key example "trying to turn a hobby into a lifestyle", and the only way they haven't shut down is due to relying on donations. It's best to keep your hobby as a side business unless you're in a position to go at it full time, or keep it as a way to expand skills or knowledge. Even then most people of financial advice will tell you do not.

There is also an issue with how now-a-days, most kids hobbies are just consumption of media or farting around on the internet. That is it. They're not encouraged by their parents to further develop themselves or even touch grass. I believe the top wanted job today for kids is to be a streamer or a YouTuber. They aspire to be xQc and Jake Paul. This is of course not practical in anyways, and most do not have the intelligence to see that you need a distinct personality to succeed in a media field, where people pay you to watch you fart around. Twitch is a reverse pyramid with regards to viewerships, a very small few have the largest share and most are scraping for views. Same with YouTube. Why watch an extremely awkward kid play Minecraft when you can watch Dream and his friends go "OH MY GOD" for the 70th time.

Turning a hobby into a lifestyle (non-career) just makes you define your personality around whatever show/movie/book you're into. I can see Kiwi's being anti-corporate, so seeing people center their lives around Star Wars, Marvel, and other franchises, as a waste of existence. Yeah, it's nice you're able to spend $15K on semi-nude anime figurines or turn your spare bedroom into the Shrine of Marvel, but honestly what kind of life is that? Humans have worked to build civilization over 10s of thousands of years, facing famines, wars, natural disasters, sackings, and disease for you to waste your life surrounded by Funko Pops™. Great, you're choice, but if I call you lame don't get upset.

 

[libRT]

1. A distaste for making a hobby your identity. This is either with gaming, a certain franchise or brand.
Whether this is a distaste for making your hobby's part of who you are or whether this is making your hobby your entire identity I'm not so sure.

Just common sense, take a look at anyone who does makes it their identity, they're often 1 dimensional retarded children. Deeper they are, the more retarded they get.

2. A distaste for making things made for fun serious.
This includes gaming or sometimes sports. There are those who are into pro gaming and speedrunning, but its a minority from what I can see.

Personally idgaf but its wasted time, unless you can actually earn a living wage from it, you're wasting time whilst you could be making real progress somewhere else in your life.

3. A distaste for turning a hobby into a lifestyle.
More explanation on this would be appreciated.

A mix of points 1 and 2. Their rooms are an analogy for how much they neglect their lives.

4. A distaste for those who do not work.
Either those who refuse work or those who use the internet as a means of earning a living.

Nothing in life is free. If you consume without producing you make everything more expensive for everyone else. On top of that, you get an extra 40+ hours a week to piss away whilst others have to work to live.

This is one of the big picture problems that is getting worse. It's getting so bad in the UK that single workers are basically getting priced out of living. Unless you have a working partner or you squeeze out kids, you need a middle class wage to afford to rent or buy a house individually.

5. A strong belief in freedom of speech.
Self explanatory.

Ye

6. A dislike on philosophising about media, video essays and such.

Depends on the board I guess, though throw any opinion into a group of strangers and theres always gonna be some that don't like it.

 

[IKOL]

So what's wrong about these?

 

[Mal0]

Never say the forbidden "c" word

 

[Slappy McGherkin]

If you can turn a hobby into successfully paying your bills, ain't a damned thing wrong with that. As for a lifestyle? That depends on the hobby. Eg., I've always loved fishing, ever since I was a kid. That grew from drowning worms in a local mudpuddle to fishing big game tournaments over the years. I started making my own big game lures. Bought a nice off-shore fishing boat and it was a perfect synthesis of hobby and lifestyle, not to mention a hell of a lot of fun! Didn't make me rich, but selling lures helped offset what is an expensive hobby.



OP, you just didn't dig deep enough for there are a LOT of commonalities on this board and although some in jest, others as an actual hatred:

• Furries grooming children
• Pedophiles, period
• Animal abuse
• Child abuse
• Trannies (in some cases, just sort of a group sorrow for how fucked up these people are and what they do themselves)
• ethot/attention whores
• incels

And the list could go on, but these seem to be the most common dislikes without getting into anything political.

 

[Lemmingwise]

1, Transgender people need our help and support
2. People that make money being personalities online are the inspiring light of our lives
3. Politics is a valuable topic of discussion and should be referenced when relevant and even when it isn't.
4. It's better to go with the flow than give a contrary opinion

 

[Dyn]

Traps aren't gay.

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

Don't forget that we want to gas the Jews and destroy Israel. That's a super important one.

 

[Male Idiot]

Traps aren't gay.

Trap+girl=Not gay. Abbo of culture!

That said only 4 really bothers me. If you really like fishing, go all out. You aren't hurting anybody, well apart from fish. Harry potter spergs can be annoying as fuck though.

 

[El Goblina]

A lot of these traits are defense mechanisms against becoming lolcow material.

1. A distaste for making a hobby your identity. This is either with gaming, a certain franchise or brand.

The distaste is strongest when making a corporate brand your identity. Corporate brands have no values; their values are driven by profit. This realization defends against some of the worse #GamerGate spergs/autists, among other things. (I'm an old GamerGater, so it's a lens I tend to see through by default. Probably more valid contexts as well.)

Consider, say, a Tolkien scholar. Literally nothing wrong with this, and many are probably useful individuals outside of their hobby in Tolkien. Tolkien was generally a worthwhile human being, so one can learn useful things from studying Tolkien's life and example. This is not true for folks who spend, say, inordinate amounts of time obsessing over Microsoft's corporate brand surrounding its first-person shooter game Halo.

2. A distaste for making things made for fun serious.

I think this is just a reflection of #1 in different lighting: a distaste for making a corporate brand serious.

3. A distaste for turning a hobby into a lifestyle.

Another reflection of #1, a little more obliquely. A hobbyist can turn into a scholar, or he can turn into a lowest-common denominator content creator on YouTube, producing "content" without depth for an audience without depth.

4. A distaste for those who do not work.

This is just about good mental health. Work is good for mental health. Sitting at home doing nothing while receiving government handouts is utterly degenerate. #1-3 reflect in this also.

6. A dislike on philosophising about media, video essays and such.

Not so much a dislike on philosophising, but a distinction between useful/meaningful discussion and lowest-common-denominator shillery/wankery.

 

[libRT]

Keep in mind, most of these points I understand and agree to some extent.

1. I think your hobby becomes a part of you no matter what. We all get excited or passionate for them. If you are asked who you are, you'll talk about your hobbies. A lot of our free time is spent talking about them with friends or online or just indulging in them. I mean this site itself is a discussion forum for many different things.

Yeah, my point was more to the kinds of people who relate everything to that hobby/aspect of their identity. Like with obsession, everyone goes through periods of obsessing over things but its usually temporary and most don't go completely batshit over it. Which is why I said the deeper someone identifies as something, the more their life suffers because of it. The ones that have the hobby, and aren't being consumed by it aren't the ones being discussed.

3. The "gamer" lifestyle to me is an odd one. I'm fine with it, a lot of people, this forum included enjoy playing games.
Gamer as an identity or lifestyle is fine so long as you have other interests as well and you can financially support it.
As well as contributing to society either by entertainment (Youtube, twitch, ect.) or by having a job.

I mean its not morally wrong, but hedonism has a price. Its why depression is so popular now, kids are spending all their time dosing themselves on dopamine (success hormone) with no real world success. The problem is, your subconscious doesn't understand that smashing your personal best in a speedrun doesn't make you any stronger IRL, so your real life expectations increase and return on investment of dopamine decreases, this repeats until you believe that your life should be so much better than it is and thus depression. It's why exercise helps with depression, its not just the hormones like serotonin but its realised progression that comes with the work.

Thats not to say we should go around banning all the hedonistic things, but at least encouraging people to improve the self alongside, so its not just empty hedonism.

2. I think this is no different to people who play non league football. If they are doing something they enjoy and make enough to get through their daily lives, then I have no issue with it. If they make their passion a career or something, that's fine.
Now small Youtubers or twitch streamers I would say are fine so long as they have work or something else do do.

4. Justified when it comes to those who refuse to work, unless they have a genuine reason.
Internet famous people are the same as anyone else who has their passion as a job.

Depends on the internet fame, passions for hobbies even those without utility I don't think people care about, especially as thats where you get the random interesting videos from that you'd never know about if they didn't have that hobby. The flipside are thots, beggars and scammers. Tbh idc personally because I just don't watch. I think the hate for thots comes from the fact they are effectively selling their soul, I think I read that they often have difficulty having decent relationships, probably because they've destroyed all possibility of real intimacy with a partner.

 

[Minx95]

Yeah, my point was more to the kinds of people who relate everything to that hobby/aspect of their identity. Like with obsession, everyone goes through periods of obsessing over things but its usually temporary and most don't go completely batshit over it. Which is why I said the deeper someone identifies as something, the more their life suffers because of it. The ones that have the hobby, and aren't being consumed by it aren't the ones being discussed.


I mean its not morally wrong, but hedonism has a price. Its why depression is so popular now, kids are spending all their time dosing themselves on dopamine (success hormone) with no real world success. The problem is, your subconscious doesn't understand that smashing your personal best in a speedrun doesn't make you any stronger IRL, so your real life expectations increase and return on investment of dopamine decreases, this repeats until you believe that your life should be so much better than it is and thus depression. It's why exercise helps with depression, its not just the hormones like serotonin but its realised progression that comes with the work.

Thats not to say we should go around banning all the hedonistic things, but at least encouraging people to improve the self alongside, so its not just empty hedonism.


Depends on the internet fame, passions for hobbies even those without utility I don't think people care about, especially as thats where you get the random interesting videos from that you'd never know about if they didn't have that hobby. The flipside are thots, beggars and scammers. Tbh idc personally because I just don't watch. I think the hate for thots comes from the fact they are effectively selling their soul, I think I read that they often have difficulty having decent relationships, probably because they've destroyed all possibility of real intimacy with a partner.

I agree with pretty much all of this.
I think one of the issues I have personally with the site is that I think some people go a bit too far.
Like, the anti consoomer stuff is warranted, but it gets a bit too much. Being invested in a franchise isn't consooming, neither is having some stuff to decorate some of your room.

The average person enjoys pop culture, they'll be hyped, they'll get excited, but they stay mature.
They don't just buy everything of one thing.

We all consume media and get invested in media. We'll talk about it in our free time. There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion, as long as you stay in moderation.
And of course when it comes to sports, gaming and movies, you can make a career out of talking about that stuff.

Its important to remember that the individuals documented here are the worst of the worst. They don't make up the vast majority of people.

 

[Law]

Humans have worked to build civilization over 10s of thousands of years, facing famines, wars, natural disasters, sackings, and disease for you to waste your life surrounded by Funko Pops™

Jokes on you, I'm surrounded by Precious Memories figurines.

 

[libRT]

I agree with pretty much all of this.
I think one of the issues I have personally with the site is that I think some people go a bit too far.
Like, the anti consoomer stuff is warranted, but it gets a bit too much. Being invested in a franchise isn't consooming, neither is having some stuff to decorate some of your room.

The average person enjoys pop culture, they'll be hyped, they'll get excited, but they stay mature.
They don't just buy everything of one thing.

We all consume media and get invested in media. We'll talk about it in our free time. There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion, as long as you stay in moderation.
And of course when it comes to sports, gaming and movies, you can make a career out of talking about that stuff.

Its important to remember that the individuals documented here are the worst of the worst. They don't make up the vast majority of people.

I think the problem is western civilisation appears to be approaching its end. The same Sodom and Gomorrah syndrome that appeared before previous empires fell. Whilst I agree it is a minority, its spread much further than it has before and is only growing. Catalysed by the lopsided economy.

 

[Minx95]

Turning a hobby into a lifestyle (non-career) just makes you define your personality around whatever show/movie/book you're into. I can see Kiwi's being anti-corporate, so seeing people center their lives around Star Wars, Marvel, and other franchises, as a waste of existence. Yeah, it's nice you're able to spend $15K on semi-nude anime figurines or turn your spare bedroom into the Shrine of Marvel, but honestly what kind of life is that? Humans have worked to build civilization over 10s of thousands of years, facing famines, wars, natural disasters, sackings, and disease for you to waste your life surrounded by Funko Pops™. Great, you're choice, but if I call you lame don't get upset.

I'm not sure about this.
If someone is to have enough money to enjoy a franchise or sport or whatever then they usually do buy things associated with their hobby.
If someone is a movie fan, they might buy a lot of movies.
Most people do that.
If we take away someone's work or friends/family then this is true for everyone.

I think enjoying movies/gaming is fine if you combine it with something else and most people do.
I would agree with people who's entire life is just one product but that is not true for the majority of people.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

We love Jews, the chosen people.

Israel is our friend, best ally, and ONLY supporter of Judeo Christian democratic values in the entire Middle East (that was completely vacant until Zionist schoolchildren set up based community farms in the 1920’s)

 

[Dona Morte]

Here is how I think,
1. A distaste for making a hobby your identity. This is either with gaming, a certain franchise or brand.
Not so much hobby but what is between your legs, or who you like to fuck. ESPECIALLY Zoo/ Pedo's. For me there is no rehabilitation, only removal from society. With the mass removal of mental hospitals what else is there left?
I noticed I also care less if they do not have children. I just see a lot of hurt little people and it hurts to see what shit heads do to them.

2. A distaste for making things made for fun serious.
This goes for left AND right. One of the biggest things that pissed me off was Gina Carano. Even the right and these low talent channels put her picture in months of their videos.

4. A distaste for those who do not work.
No. Not distaste for those who do not work. I understand someone CANNOT. I distaste the able bodied drawing a check, and sometimes being proud to game the system. Kindly give the money back and get off your ass. That portion of my tax money can go to a trauma ridden veteran or Intellectually Disabled person.

6. A dislike on philosophizing about media, video essays and such.
You will have to elaborate on that.

Jews thing?
I think all nations deserve sovereignty. Unfortunately Israel are very imperialistic, but I would take them over Palestine any day.