Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

[FROG]

I gotta disagree. Lateness is just as a big problem as the mainstream and it gives detractors ammo to use against CG. Lateness, will also impact the amount of return customers you Get for your next project and hurt any goodwill that you have generated during your campaign.

Yes, but there's no customers to be upset about lateness without YouTube. It's like throwing an awesome party with no guests.

All of these people talking about "just get off twitter and youtube and draw...", aside from Doug TenNapel (who is always on YouTube anyhow) their campaigns aren't doing well at all.

We're out on our own! Gotta make some noise to get some eyes on our product.

 

[Zigzag]

Just saw the new description of this thread. Why don’t you give it its proper name? Evs and hangers on . Also not all of us are neck beards lol.

 

[Odets]

The mainstream gatekeeps ComicsGate from regulation promotion and distribution outlets.

How come both Dougs have better product for the same price? I smell bullshit. When it's convenient you guys are Masters of promotion "closer to the buyer than anyone else" way more in touch than the mainstream but at the same time you're deplatformed victims of the big 2.

 

[Rupin]

How come both Dougs have better product for the same price? I smell bullshit. When it's convenient you guys are Masters of promotion "closer to the buyer than anyone else" way more in touch than the mainstream but at the same time you're deplatformed victims of the big 2.

because Doug had the advantage of seeing what everyone else was putting out first. If you think about it, he‘s actually losing money by putting everything out in such a pretty package. So yeah, it’s good for the customer, but not so much for anyone who doesn’t have the money to follow Doug’s model. Look at Mike Miller’s Meg 3-pack. 3 nice big thick books that were at one point sold for 50 dollars all together. He too took a loss in that deal that he was putting out. Both of those types of models are not sustainable in the long run if one is selling their books at 25 dollars a pop.

 

[Odets]

because Doug had the advantage of seeing what everyone else was putting out first. If you think about it, he‘s actually losing money by putting everything out in such a pretty package.

1) Many people saw the same thing and not just in CG, since crowdfunding wasn't invented by CG, yet only Doug did anything about it.
2) I can bet right here and right now that not many will follow Doug's example
3) It would be nice if you proved that Doug is actually losing money. Because he honestly looks like one of the few decent people who aren't cheaping out.

 

[FROG]

How come both Dougs have better product for the same price? I smell bullshit. When it's convenient you guys are Masters of promotion "closer to the buyer than anyone else" way more in touch than the mainstream but at the same time you're deplatformed victims of the big 2.

I don't know what you're saying here. Maybe you misunderstood me.

I'm saying something very simple: Doug TenNapel and I aren't (or weren't) going to get publishing deals with Marvel or DC. In fact, Doug TenNapel came to me because Scholastic was his last link to the mainstream, and they booted him for some bullshit he said on Twitter.

If you work for Marvel or DC, they promote your books for you, and give you a work for hire paycheck. If you are distributed through Diamond, you will be in the catalogue that 2000 retail outlets buy from.

If you don't and aren't, you're pretty well fucked. You need to find a way to get a LOT of people to see your comics and a way to sell them.

YouTube and IndieGoGo is pretty good. But you have to build a fanbase and a regular audience. Or borrow one, which is what Doug and other ComicsGaters do on my channel. That means you have to promote yourself on YouTube every day.

So, no, staying off of YouTube isn't a good plan. Drawing your comic all day is good, except no one will buy it if they don't know it exists.

1) Many people saw the same thing and not just in CG, since crowdfunding wasn't invented by CG, yet only Doug did anything about it.
2) I can bet right here and right now that not many will follow Doug's example
3) It would be nice if you proved that Doug is actually losing money. Because he honestly looks like one of the few decent people who aren't cheaping out.

Doug said he lost money on BigFoot Bill, which is why 106 people didn't get their books.

That's what he SAID. Where lots of people heard him. I can't prove it.

Doug isn't trying to make money from these books. They're a step towards something else. So he spends all of his money on them.

We ARE trying to make money from our books, so we don't. I probably keep about $4 per $25 order after IGG fees, taxes, paying colors, talent, editorial, and printing and various other costs.

 

[Rupin]

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Doug said he lost money on BigFoot Bill, which is why 106 people didn't get their books.

That's what he SAID. Where lots of people heard him. I can't prove it.

Doug isn't trying to make money from these books. They're a step towards something else. So he spends all of his money on them.

We ARE trying to make money from our books, so we don't. I probably keep about $4 per $25 order after IGG fees, taxes, paying colors, talent, editorial, and printing and various other costs.

I think he said something similar about his EWJ books in one of his printing process videos. He said it in one of his livestreams. But the guy has so many videos that I couldnt be arsed to find it.

 

[BlueSpark]

Something is VERY wrong with you.

Get medicated, then get fucked.

You're probably the cringiest lolcow that has ever acknowledged this site. And yes, I'm including Chrischan in that estimation because at least he has genuine mental issues that influence his worldview and behaviour. You've really pissed away a lot of goodwill that people had for you by behaving like a complete fucktard.

 

[Adamska]

All of these people talking about "just get off twitter and youtube and draw...", aside from Doug TenNapel (who is always on YouTube anyhow) their campaigns aren't doing well at all.

Fuck off with this attempt to shiv a knife.

Man up and stop relying on drama you self inflict for your stagnant channel for views, because I know you've more than did your own things to make this slapfight keep going.

And I will actually agree with you that Doug seems to be aiming for product first money second, since books like his (hardback and thicc) are pricey (finally found that new LCS&GS that was in my area). It's admirable in a way to be honest, also really damn nice book.

Even if it's just to spike interest in that weird Atari thing that I won't really play as a way to revive interest in EWJ, it's still pretty neat.

 

[Zigzag]

You're probably the cringiest lolcow that has ever acknowledged this site. And yes, I'm including Chrischan in that estimation because at least he has genuine mental issues that influence his worldview and behaviour. You've really pissed away a lot of goodwill that people had for you by behaving like a complete fucktard.

Well someone sent me something on evs family. His brother Noah Van Sciver goes into their father and his mental illness so it does run in his family here’s the link.

Noah Van Sciver's One Dirty Tree

Noah Van Sciver's One Dirty Tree earned him an Eisner Award nomination, and it's certainly well-deserved. This 2018 release from Uncivilize...

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[Buck Mullet]

Well someone sent me something on evs family

These ops couldn't get any gayer if they were spit roasted by leather daddies. Get a fucking life already.

 

[Adamska]

Well someone sent me something on evs family. His brother Noah Van Sciver goes into their father and his mental illness so it does run in his family here’s the link.

Noah Van Sciver's One Dirty Tree

Noah Van Sciver's One Dirty Tree earned him an Eisner Award nomination, and it's certainly well-deserved. This 2018 release from Uncivilize...

highlowcomics.blogspot.com

And you've gone full deranged SJW for trying to go after family non-involved for a man who hasn't remotely gone full Dunn level. Can't wait until you dox the person that sells Ethan his MREs for his Mormon apocalypse basement too.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

The mainstream gatekeeps ComicsGate from regulation promotion and distribution outlets.

If gatekeeping is a issue why would jsg, tug and yellow flash talked about gatekeeping comicsgate last month, when half of cg are artist that have been kept out of the main stream industry.

This is the MAIN problem. It's not about lateness or not enough books being generated, or even price. People are paying the price tag for these comics.

Lateness in publishing books is a problem that is hurting cg creators right now, could you guys do the zack model by working on the book before posting the campaign on indiegogo, or maybe give out a actual release date that is reasonable, like most of the cg projects should've been fulfilled last year or months ago with the dates you guys picked but people are still wanting their books. Delays happen but opening new perks or campaigns isn't going to help if day 1 backers still haven't gotten books.

 

[FROG]

You're probably the cringiest lolcow that has ever acknowledged this site. And yes, I'm including Chrischan in that estimation because at least he has genuine mental issues that influence his worldview and behaviour. You've really pissed away a lot of goodwill that people had for you by behaving like a complete fucktard.

I think at this point I'm a Lolcow Cowboy. This thread is a fucking barnyard of cringy weirdos and stalkers trying to force an issue., crying about "capecucks" like retards. In case you didn't notice, you've all been herded here.

How many more of you are going to get threadbanned on a thread made exclusively to obsess about me?

I'm just here out of sheer narcissism.

If gatekeeping is a issue why would jsg, tug and yellow flash talked about gatekeeping comicsgate last month, when half of cg are artist that have been kept out of the main stream industry.

Because the issue isn't "gatekeeping." It's SJWs.

There's nothing inherently wrong with gatekeeping. I'd keep anyone out of my business who didn't prioritize profits over political activism. ComicsGate places profit and success over political or religious messaging, because we think doing so best serves the interests of the widest possible audience.

Nobody's perfect, but that's the ideal of ComicsGate, and that means no SJWs.

Lateness in publishing books is a problem that is hurting cg creators right now, could you guys do the zack model by working on the book before posting the campaign on indiegogo, or maybe give out a actual release date that is reasonable, like most of the cg projects should've been fulfilled last year or months ago with the dates you guys picked but people are still wanting their books. Delays happen but opening new perks or campaigns isn't going to help if day 1 backers still haven't gotten books.

Yes. Yes, yes, yes.

The first round of books were from total ignorance and lack of funding. I had no idea how long it would take to finish my project and still maintain ComicsGate Live!, and also, I had no money to do the books in the first place.

I've got enough money put away now that I can produce the next Cyberfrog before I offer it to backers. And I've got everything I need lined up to produce a comic and it's enhanced special covers quicker.

That's the plan going forward.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

The first round of books were from total ignorance and lack of funding. I had no idea how long it would take to finish my project and still maintain ComicsGate Live!, and also, I had no money to do the books in the first place

That's true, i don't fault you having the lack of resources at first, just try picking a release date try a place holder like some retail websites put 12-31-20 and if you have the book before that placeholder you can release it early (not sure if you can change release dates on igg) some of the first line books had the release date of 6 months or less from it's announcement when they haven't done the work expect a cover.

 

[Zigzag]

And you've gone full deranged SJW for trying to go after family non-involved for a man who hasn't remotely gone full Dunn level. Can't wait until you dox the person that sells Ethan his MREs for his Mormon apocalypse basement too.

I haven’t dox anyone it a public article that anyone can find by Google. You can google Noah Van Sciver and it pops up. You do get we are on the farms right? It’s not doxing I’ve never given names or addy. So go cry in your pillow. Someone said Chris Chan was more understandable because of mental illness so I was showing that it might be the reason for evs actions as well. I also don’t see mental health as a shameful thing. I look at it as if your leg was broken you would get help it the same thing, that article was the first time I felt bad for evs and thought if he got help he might be the Ethan people liked in the beginning.

 

[Rupin]

I haven’t dox anyone it a public article that anyone can find by Google. You can google Noah Van Sciver and it pops up. You do get we are on the farms right? It’s not doxing I’ve never given names or addy. So go cry in your pillow. Someone said Chris Chan was more understandable because of mental illness so I was showing that it might be the reason for evs actions as well. I also don’t see mental health as a shameful thing. I look at it as if your leg was broken you would get help it the same thing, that article was the first time I felt bad for evs and thought if he got help he might be the Ethan people liked in the beginning.

yeah, but your bringing the man’s family into this over some late comics. How autistic is that?

 

[elkinbub]

weirdos

You like to use that word a lot.
But I'm not aware of anyone in your opposition who hangs out with someone like Cecil, sings songs about the joys of raping children, and whose fanclub (War Campaign) has a favorite pastime of making "dildo memes".

Maybe you're the weirdo.

a thread made exclusively to obsess about me?

False.
Comicsgate and its presence on various sites, including KF, was supposed to be about speaking truth to power and criticizing creators (corporate and indie).
You ruined that when you did your best to transform the movement into your personal piggybank.
In other words, CG and its internet presence was not supposed to be about you, Ethan.
YOU made it about YOU, for money.
Now you exist basically as a well-paid clown for us to laugh at and point to as a cautionary tale, an example of how to ruin culture.

I'm just here out of sheer narcissism.

The problem isn't that you're a narcissist.
The problem's that you're a SOCIOPATH.

You have always had mental problems, probably due to your father's abuse of the entire family.
This is documented in your brother's comics.
You know, your brother Noah Van Sciver, who has an Eisner nomination and who is actually the more successful and critically acclaimed artist of the family?
Anyway, it isn't your fault that your homelife was what it was, that you grew up in a Mormon cult, etc.
It IS your fault that you have tried to create your own little cult around yourself and that you try to mimic your father's past behavior by being passive-aggressive to others over the internet.
You're a very damaged person, Ethan, and more and more people are realizing that everyday.
You look like you've aged around 15 years in the last three.
You're burning yourself out. Too bad other people are getting caught up in your meltdown.

Calm down.
You do constant vanity searches on yourself, looking to play Thought Police and do damage control (because there's constant damage control that needs to be done).
You showed up on this Literal Who's video to write weird sociopathic comments.

More Proof Of The Fandom Menace Hypocrisy As Ethan Van Sciver Sings A Very Messed Up Song

link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5M6SFN1KxA&feature=youtu.be

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When I saw it the video only had 32 views and you were already there and had written like six comments.
Of course, this guy's name has now been put on War Campaign's shit list, so he can expect constant harassment for months if not years going forward, all because he had the gall to point out that you've bizarrely ruined "your" own movement due to your oroboros-like psycho-pathology.
This was a fucking nobody with a nothing channel who decided to do a video saying nothing more than "Huh, Fandom Menace is kind of getting strange lately, and WTF Ethan Van Sciver sang a song about raping kids?"
You bombed his video within minutes of it going up and now he's going to have to deal with WC stalking him indefinitely. Nice cultural milieu you're creating.

For people who don't know much about Ethan's bad behavior in the past, the false and stupid idea that he's a "Nazi" is actually great cover for him. If you're anything like me, a few years ago you heard the "Nazi" accusations and then just stopped listening to any criticisms that people had of him. That was a mistake. Because Ethan's politics don't really matter, but the actual substance of his behavior shows that he's been an internet sociopath for quite a long time.
War Campaign is only the latest iteration of his personal mob full of weirdos (documented weirdos) who harass anyone he tells them to. What is the actual deal with this? Why for a decade or more has Ethan had a rotating band of adult men who want to please him by doing harassment and gay-ops on other people? I don't fucking get it either, but it's happened.
If you want information, you can look here:

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The guy gives a lot of evidence of the harassment.
Note: It's not fake "harassment" like "Someone disagreed with me about my opinions on comic books, therefore I am being harassed".
It is actual harassment of himself and his family conducted and orchestrated by Ethan Van Sciver for years. Much like what he has been doing for six months or more to Edwin, Mike Miller, and Doug T, he was doing to this Alfie guy and others years ago.
In some of the old screenshots you can even see one Richard Meyer piling on and harassing the guy's ex-gf or whatever.
Yeah.
Richard was in proto-War Campaign years ago--that's why he gets a pass now, because he already paid his dues, so to speak.
You might say, "Oh, that Alfie guy? Yeah I vaguely remember hearing about that, wasn't he just an SJW or whatever?"
Doesn't matter, though this was before "SJW" crystallized into an actual thing. The guy was more or less on the left, but that doesn't take away from the substance of what Ethan did, and how weird it all was.
Like, why did Ethan keep writing him messages every few months, saying that he "loved him"?

This is borderline cyberstalking, especially once you see the evidence of how Ethan was having his friends run gay ops on the guy and post weird messages to him and his family constantly during the months between these "nice" "innocent" direct messages from Ethan.
Why did Ethan Van Sciver in his late 30s (or early 40s?) treat this cosplay guy Alfie the way an oversensitive teenage boy would treat the first girl who rejected him? "Don't you want to be friends??? [a week later] I'm SORRY! [a month later] I LOVE YOU! [a month later] You don't want to be friends?? I CARED ABOUT YOU!! [a week later] OK FUCK YOU [a month later] I miss you please respond already please please please"

He's a fucking weirdo and so are the people closest to him.

The leader of toilet campaign 🚽🚾 hail comicsgate

You really saved comics, didn't ya?

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They're weirdly homoerotic but play at being aggressively anti-gay in their insults to other people.
It's totally bizarre.

Anyway, I don't know how much you clueless out-of-touch guys here even know at this point.
Did anyone even post the clip of Ethan singing "Daddy Can't Rape You All" a few days ago?
Do you guys even know about that, or are you still stuck on outdated 2017 concepts like "ETHAN IZ FIGHTING TEH SJWS!!! XDDD"
I heard Cyberfrog is big in Kekistan LOL XDDD!
Jon Malin is a GREAT ARTIST and Richard Meyer the Liefeld lover is the BEST comic writer and critic of all time!! HE'S GOT MARVEL RUNNIN SCARED!!!!!1

Ethan & Friends is the lamest movement in the history of the internet.
Low-quality ripoffs of '80s-'90s toy properties sold at premium prices to (rapidly) ageing men who should know better.
Almost like it's a money laundering scam or something... hm.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Ethan singing "Daddy Can't Rape You All" a few days ago?
Do you guys even know about that, or are you still stuck on outdated 2017 concepts like "ETHAN IZ FIGHTING TEH SJWS!!! XDDD"

I was busy with Christmas fam, so I doubt we knew about this.

 

[FROG]

Ha ha ha

Alfie was on my facebook page every day being a dickhead with the other dickheads. He was also on my radio show as a guest host, until he started screaming at the other guys over politics. And then, also, he was sexually propositioning 15 year old girls and other weird shit, which I didn't know about until a little later, at which point I stopped asking him to come back on the show.

He was definitely getting harassed, but not by me, unless, "Hey pal, I love ya. Sorry about that fight on the show, come on back" while I was drinking is harassment. But he was an SJW, and was definitely a nuisance on Facebook and made a ton of enemies. Including the entire cosplay community, after one very young teenager came forward with evidence against him.

Yeah, he wrote a big essay blaming me for his Facebook harassment, and that's where the idea that I orchestrate War Campaign came from. He's a lawyer, and pieced that essay together very carefully to implicate me. But it's bullshit, and he knows it.

Just gay ops from SJWs.

As for Cecil, his behavior is impeccable. I won't hear otherwise.