Cobra Kai

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Before I say anything else, I actually *want* Hillary Swank to show up in Cobra Kai eventually. No matter what, I don't think it will be next season though.

Here's a random comparison to what you said though... In-N-Out Burger (If you didn't know, it's is an over-rated AF West Coast burger joint. If you've never heard of it, think of 5 Guys but just a little bit worse.) started in 1948 and it *STILL* has not made its way east of Texas yet. West coast assholes still swear by it and they probably always will (I've visited the west coast a few times, and made sure to try In-N-Out. It wasn't bad or anything... But I'll say it again, it was over-rated AF.) at the end of the day, if it was really *that* great, it would have already made its way to the east coast after 70ish+ years of existing, and it hasn't.

That wasn't just a tangent. If a relatively popular (but, you know.. over-rated) burger joint couldn't spread from one coast to the other in 70+ years, then I say that there is no way in hell that a random chain of Karate dojos in California would ever spread from the West coast to the East coast in just a couple of weeks/months/or even years. So yeah, I don't think a Cobra Kai dojo is going to open up in Boston by next season.

Even if it did, Julie Pierce never heard about Cobra Kai in her film. The best way to bring Swank into this show would be to say that she already met Daniel offscreen. (Miyagi introduced them. It makes sense if you don't think about it too much.) And she's coming in to help him take out Silver or whatever.
The only thing that would drag Julie Pierce out of the woodwork is if she hears about Cobra Kai winning the All Valley tournament and Miyagi-Do having to shut down. Maybe she heard previously about a dojo dedicated to Mr. Miyagi being set up in California, and she decides to go there and check it out, only for her to arrive there and see either Daniel closing it up or Chozen taking over it and giving it a new name. Then she talks to Daniel or whomever's in charge about Mr. Miyagi, and Daniel tells her about the events that took place in the last four seasons of Cobra Kai. Then maybe she gets motivated to join.

And perhaps Michael Ironside's character Colonel Dugan could also show up, and get involved with Terry Silver's Cobra Kai in some way. Maybe he joins Silver's Cobra Kai since Silver would need more martial arts instructors like him and Mike Barnes to help run the Cobra Kai expansion dojos that he's setting up. Or maybe Dugan knows Kreese from the Vietnam War and he'll testify in favor of Kreese to try and get his old war buddy out of trouble, and they plan a retaliation against Terry Silver.
 
Or maybe Dugan knows Kreese from the Vietnam War and he'll testify in favor of Kreese to try and get his old war buddy out of trouble, and they plan a retaliation against Terry Silver.
I've heard a few variations on this particular bit of fan speculation already, and it makes sense. There's no reason why Dugan couldn't have known Kreese and/or even Silver from Vietnam. (I didn't remember this particular fact, but I just looked it up and apparently Dugan outranked Kreese.) I don't know what that means for the future of Cobra Kai though.. I hope it doesn't mean that Dugan ends up supplanting Silver as the main villain of the show. I don't think I want to see that.

The only thing that would drag Julie Pierce out of the woodwork is if she hears about Cobra Kai winning the All Valley tournament and Miyagi-Do having to shut down. Maybe she heard previously about a dojo dedicated to Mr. Miyagi being set up in California, and she decides to go there and check it out, only for her to arrive there and see either Daniel closing it up or Chozen taking over it and giving it a new name. Then she talks to Daniel or whomever's in charge about Mr. Miyagi, and Daniel tells her about the events that took place in the last four seasons of Cobra Kai. Then maybe she gets motivated to join.

I am very conflicted.
Offhand, I would say the writers of Cobra Kai, as good as they've been so far, probably aren't going to be able to polish very much gold from the turd that was "the Next Karate Kid," in general... but I still want to see them try though. I am all in favor of Hillary Swank getting a Karate Kid-themed redemption ark though (I still don't think it's going to be in Season 5 though, unless it's a cameo. They've already set up way too much for the next season that has nothing to do with her. I'll admit it if I'm wrong though.)

And perhaps Michael Ironside's character Colonel Dugan could also show up, and get involved with Terry Silver's Cobra Kai in some way. Maybe he joins Silver's Cobra Kai since Silver would need more martial arts instructors like him and Mike Barnes to help run the Cobra Kai expansion dojos that he's setting up.
I agree with you... If Cobra Kai can actually afford Michael Ironside, Dugan has a decent enough chance of showing up in season 5 as one of the "friend or two" that Silver referenced. (Mike Barnes is so obviously coming back that I didn't feel like mentioning it.)

This would also set up Julie coming back into the fold in season 6 (No matter what, I still don't think she's coming back in season 5)
 
I've heard a few variations on this particular bit of fan speculation already, and it makes sense. There's no reason why Dugan couldn't have known Kreese and/or even Silver from Vietnam. (I didn't remember this particular fact, but I just looked it up and apparently Dugan outranked Kreese.) I don't know what that means for the future of Cobra Kai though.. I hope it doesn't mean that Dugan ends up supplanting Silver as the main villain of the show. I don't think I want to see that.
I don't think he'll supplant Silver as the main villain. He doesn't have the screen presence. More likely, he'll either serve as a subordinate to Silver, or as a villain on the side outside of Cobra Kai.

I am very conflicted.
Offhand, I would say the writers of Cobra Kai, as good as they've been so far, probably aren't going to be able to polish very much gold from the turd that was "the Next Karate Kid," in general... but I still want to see them try though. I am all in favor of Hillary Swank getting a Karate Kid-themed redemption ark though (I still don't think it's going to be in Season 5 though, unless it's a cameo. They've already set up way too much for the next season that has nothing to do with her. I'll admit it if I'm wrong though.)
They took Karate Kid 3, a movie that just retreaded the past arcs of the first film, and made it required viewing while improving upon its main villain, turning him from Kreese's wingman to the guy who overthrew Kreese as the main villain.

I agree with you... If Cobra Kai can actually afford Michael Ironside, Dugan has a decent enough chance of showing up in season 5 as one of the "friend or two" that Silver referenced. (Mike Barnes is so obviously coming back that I didn't feel like mentioning it.)
I'm hoping they do bring him in, just so we can have someone else aside from Silver and Barnes as the main bad guys. Although I am excited to see what they do with Barnes.

This would also set up Julie coming back into the fold in season 6 (No matter what, I still don't think she's coming back in season 5)
That can happen, although Daniel would be asking questions as to how she knew Miyagi. Considering his paranoia about Kreese and Silver, he might not be so trusting of any outside help; he may think it's just another of Silver's schemes.
 
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Season 5 was pretty great. I wish we weren't on the dark web at this point, because somebody else would have said it already.

Also I was right that they weren't going to bring back Hillary Swank just yet. (maybe next year)
 
Planning on binging it this weekend. I saw the first episode and it was good.
 
I enjoyed season 5 more than I thought I would going into it. Here are some spoiler bits I'll discuss. Overall it was a great season and Cobra Kai is still better than 90% of other current shows to watch so I'm glad it's here but almost wish I hadn't binged it so quickly.

1. I like the dynamic they have going between Kreese and Tory, like he sees a younger version of himself in her. Kreese remains the favorite villain of the series, he just has a swagger and influence that Terry Silver only manages to poorly imitate. There are some scenes where Kreese is shown adjusting to the pecking order in prison. It's clear though he's still the same old John Kreese deep down though with how he manipulates the prison therapist. His escape scene at the end was an honest to god surprise I didn't see coming and I'm curious how they'll bring him back since even though he's now cleared on Stingrays assault he still broke out of prison and assaulted numerous guards.

2. Terry Silver continues to irk me. I know they want to pass him off as an even more psychotic version of Kreese but it just falls flat, he seems like a stereotypical cokehead with anger issues. The spiteful little Korean chick he brought in to help him carried a more threatening presence than he did and that's saying something considering he tries to fucking kill Chozen.

3. There aren't many good fights in this season for a fighting show. The best fights are the match between Miguel and Robby and when Johnny is getting his ass kicked and manages to get a second wind. Chozen had some good moments to shine. Daniel hardly does anything useful all season until the end when he finally has a big fight against Terry and hits him with Silvers own "3 rule quicksilver technique" from the movie. It wasn't so much a fight as watching Daniel kick Terry around for a couple minutes before he gets arrested.

4. I'm really not sure how they're going to approach the divide between the kids even with Terry out of the way. I predict Kreese will try to get Tory and some of the others back on his side in Season 6 but with Kyler, Kenny and the other asshats of Cobra Kai being antagonists to the others but still walking away from Terry and Cobra Kai at the end it's hard to decipher. It was nice to see Miguel and Robby make amends like a younger version of Johnny and Daniel, I think they have a good dynamic that has managed to stay interesting. Sam continues to be annoying but less so this season. I actually liked the nerdy little Asian girl that was competing under Johnny last season and was glad to see her make a return and still be a decent kid instead of get the generic turbo bitch treatment. Holy shit I felt sorry for Hawk pretty much all season.

5. Now that they've unveiled the global martial arts tournament and Miyagi and Cobra both qualified, I feel we may only get one maybe two more seasons out of this show. Which is fine, it's nice when a tv show knows when to end, and that would actually be a very nice arc. We've already seen Johnny and Daniel more or less completely reconcile - especially during the qualifiers before the Worlds judges when they asked the name of the dojo and Johnny said Miyagi Do, understanding Miyagi meant more to Daniel and his kid than Eagle Fang did. With Johnny now being a dad to be I think he'll view the opportunity to be a sensei for a Worlds champion team as a crowning achievement while Daniel will honor Miyagis legacy by bringing his martial arts style to global recognition.

6. By far the highlights of the season were Mike Barnes surprise return, and how he got along with Chozen and Johnny. I expected Barnes to be cast as a bad guy again but he is another well thrown curveball and ends up stealing the show for a lot of the last episode. Couple that with Chozens antics and bonding with Johnny and the ass kickings they take and dish out at the end, it's a great throwback and a form of redemption for one of the most aggressive opponents from the movies. I have a feeling there will be a lineup of Daniel, Johnny, Mike and possibly Chozen serving as senseis for Miyagi in the world tournament. Whether Kreese will be able to recruit any of the remaining allies from Silver or not remains to be seen, but considering we see from flashbacks he has a good relationship with the Korean chick Terry brought in as well, it's possible she could ally with Kreese - after all, they both trained under her uncle in Korea and she has no reason to care about Silvers beef with Kreese. Should be interesting.
Favorite Mike moment was at the end when he drops Chozen and Johnny off and Daniel looks in the limo and spots that he stole a Rembrandt off Terry lmao "yeah, oughta be worth as much as a furniture store"
 
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Season 5 was really good. The way I see it, though, Miyagi-Fang is going to have one hell of a fight in Season 6, since they entered the Sekai Taikai. Originally, they did it to compete with Cobra Kai, but with Cobra Kai gone, Miyagi-Do and Eagle Fang are now the only dojo representing the All Valley in the Sekai Taikai tournament, and something tells me they might run into more than a few dojos who make Cobra Kai look like gentle kittens in comparison.
 
Me and my fiancee both noticed they made Terry Silver a pisstake of WEF globalists. He directly quotes them this season, then there's his whole obsession with grooming kids and turning kids into "young leaders" because Cobra Kai is going "global". Pretty blatant stuff to me. My fiancee was the first to point it out and now I see it in a lot of stuff in this series. I still don't know how the series manages to get away with taking the piss out of People of Gender so often. Then there was that bit with the Jewish sensei. I'm very surprised the usual suspects aren't going on about antisemitism.
 
Me and my fiancee both noticed they made Terry Silver a pisstake of WEF globalists. He directly quotes them this season, then there's his whole obsession with grooming kids and turning kids into "young leaders" because Cobra Kai is going "global". Pretty blatant stuff to me. My fiancee was the first to point it out and now I see it in a lot of stuff in this series. I still don't know how the series manages to get away with taking the piss out of People of Gender so often. Then there was that bit with the Jewish sensei. I'm very surprised the usual suspects aren't going on about antisemitism.
ngl i think youre just looking into it too much there
 
was honestly surprised with how season 5 ended. with the whole world tournament thing I thought the final show down and final season with terry would take place there and then terry gets fucking immediately arrested and cobra kai is destroyed.

so really don't know what could happen for season 6 now, there has to be at least one more season due to the world tournament shit, but I don't really see what karate hobo kreese could do about it and silver is gone now, so.
 
This season wasn't...horrible but it was pretty weak all things concerned. I think one of my main issues is that the show basically turned Terry Silver into Saturday morning cartoon villain in order to make our heroes look more...well, heroic, instead of it basically seeming like Daniel completely lost his goddamn mind trying to nail Silver for basically just existing. Anything remotely interesting like how Amanda finally snapped and Daniel's stunts backfired on him for once are resolved in basically one scene.

Miguel's Mexico trip was completely pointless and kind of a waste of two episodes and the resolution of his and Robby's rivalry wasn't satisfying in the slightest. Mike Barnes just seemed to be in this just because they got everybody else so might as well get Mike Barnes. And the ending was Season 2 levels of retarded, literally everybody involved with Miyagi-Do should be in prison or on trial right now. I really hope they don't bother bringing Julie Pierce in, we've had enough cameos. Not to mention The Next Karate Kid doesn't really gel all that well with the timeline of the original Karate Kid movies so they are gonna have to retcon some shit.

There's a lot more I could say like how the show has gone into completely goofy territory like the fucking Japanese sensei with an eye patch, Johnny essentially going from being the main character of the show to becoming kind of one-dimensional, Samantha STILL not getting her fucking comeuppance for everything she's responsible for (seriously, her and Miguel getting back together majorly pissed me off) or how all of this bullshit started ramping up once Ralph Macchio got more involved in the writing but I don't care nearly enough to keep ranting.

I guess next season is gonna be that international karate tournament or whatever and Kreese ends up being welcomed into the good guy crew. Also Robby and Tory are gonna be the winners of said tournament because they haven't won shit so far and it's about time.
 
Me and my fiancee both noticed they made Terry Silver a pisstake of WEF globalists. He directly quotes them this season, then there's his whole obsession with grooming kids and turning kids into "young leaders" because Cobra Kai is going "global". Pretty blatant stuff to me. My fiancee was the first to point it out and now I see it in a lot of stuff in this series. I still don't know how the series manages to get away with taking the piss out of People of Gender so often. Then there was that bit with the Jewish sensei. I'm very surprised the usual suspects aren't going on about antisemitism.
Because the Jewish sensei was a victim of Terry Silver's duplicity. So if anything, they're portraying a Jew as a victim of Cobra Kai's dojo expansionism.

"You're replacing me, Terry? This wasn't the deal we made at Shabbat Services!"

And as much of a "globalist" Silver is, he's still a warrior at heart, a Vietnam Veteran who, like Kreese, despised the civilian public who saw them as monsters and war criminals when they came back from Vietnam. When Chozen had him dead to rights, he tells the Okinawan assassin to finish the job. "I was meant to die on the battlefield" he says, clearly showing the kind of person he really is. Not one of those Illuminati reptile-men, but an old-school daimyo who wants to die in battle. He was at the same hospital as Johnny and Carmen were, probably because he had some terminal illness and he wanted to pass down his legacy to someone, which explains why he taught Kenny one of his secret techniques. You only start passing down the real secrets of your dojo when you have little time left and you need a successor.

Not to mention that whole thing about Cobra Kai turning kids into "leaders" is decided through hardcore, might-makes-right karate matches. Kenny gets to be the alpha monster because he scored a point against a superior foe when their champion couldn't. Sensei Kim is considering replacing Tory with Devon because Tory seems to hesitate, while Devon doesn't. Cobra Kai under Terry Silver is still based on might-makes-right, which is obviously far from any SJW/leftist routine of appealing to social justice or globalist ideology.

I think one of my main issues is that the show basically turned Terry Silver into Saturday morning cartoon villain in order to make our heroes look more...well, heroic, instead of it basically seeming like Daniel completely lost his goddamn mind trying to nail Silver for basically just existing. Anything remotely interesting like how Amanda finally snapped and Daniel's stunts backfired on him for once are resolved in basically one scene.
This is still a series meant to be viewed by both adults and kids. You won't have depressing shit like someone dying from Miguel's criminal father or Daniel getting depressed because his obsession with Silver destroyed his marriage. This is still an 80s-style series where good wins and evil is punished in the end.

Miguel's Mexico trip was completely pointless and kind of a waste of two episodes and the resolution of his and Robby's rivalry wasn't satisfying in the slightest. Mike Barnes just seemed to be in this just because they got everybody else so might as well get Mike Barnes. And the ending was Season 2 levels of retarded, literally everybody involved with Miyagi-Do should be in prison or on trial right now.
Considering that Silver committed arson, I'm sure the Miyagi-Do senseis can get away with claiming that they tried to pull a citizen's arrest against Silver for burning down Mike Barnes' store. And Silver can't well report that stolen Rembrandt painting considering that it's The Storm on the Sea of Galilee, a stolen painting. Silver can't complain about Barnes stealing it without confessing to buying stolen art.

Johnny essentially going from being the main character of the show to becoming kind of one-dimensional, Samantha STILL not getting her fucking comeuppance for everything she's responsible for (seriously, her and Miguel getting back together majorly pissed me off) or how all of this bullshit started ramping up once Ralph Macchio got more involved in the writing but I don't care nearly enough to keep ranting.
Johnny Lawrence at most had his character go full-circle in the last three seasons. He went from a bum, to a sensei, to a responsible man, and now we're seeing the last bits of that fall in. Also, Sam is one of the good guys from the perspective of the show, so no, she will keep getting it good as the next season rolls by. Also, Danny's shenanigans are key to the show. It was him who inadvertently pushed Johnny to revive Cobra Kai in the first place, so it makes sense his continued attempts to smother it will drive the plot of the show.
 
Considering that Silver committed arson, I'm sure the Miyagi-Do senseis can get away with claiming that they tried to pull a citizen's arrest against Silver for burning down Mike Barnes' store. And Silver can't well report that stolen Rembrandt painting considering that it's The Storm on the Sea of Galilee, a stolen painting. Silver can't complain about Barnes stealing it without confessing to buying stolen art.
They don't have any proof that Silver is responsible for that arson. Not to mention only Johnny, Barnes and Chozen could maaaybe get away with claiming that while everyone else went to break into Cobra Kai. Also citizen's arrest is a very sketchy legal area in US law and is generally only used in the context of citizens attempting to stop wanted criminals not a bunch of dudes with a grudge breaking into another dude's house (who is considered an upstanding member of society) to kick his ass. So no, they are all getting arrested by the police for that.

The Rembrandt painting thing is also hilarious when you consider that Barnes talked about presumably selling it to recoup his losses from losing the furniture store but as you pointed out, if he does that then he is also committing a crime. And Daniel would be an accessory to it considering he knows about Barnes stealing and selling the painting and didn't say a thing.
 
They don't have any proof that Silver is responsible for that arson.
I'm sure that if they investigated, they'll find some. Also, Silver provoked and assaulted Daniel LaRusso when the latter went to Stingray's house to deliver a playstation. Then you have Stingray himself who revoked his previous statement and said that Silver was the one who beat him.

Not to mention only Johnny, Barnes and Chozen could maaaybe get away with claiming that while everyone else went to break into Cobra Kai.
The Miyagi-Do students didn't break in. They entered legally with Tory, who had a passcard into the dojo.

Also citizen's arrest is a very sketchy legal area in US law and is generally only used in the context of citizens attempting to stop wanted criminals not a bunch of dudes with a grudge breaking into another dude's house (who is considered an upstanding member of society) to kick his ass. So no, they are all getting arrested by the police for that.
If that was the case, then Kreese and his thugs would've gotten arrested for a buttload of things they've done in previous seasons. This is a series based on an 80s movie trilogy. The cops barely exist here. Especially when Silver loses his upstanding status due to Stingray confessing. And their dojo being known for underhanded tactics and assaulting people in broad daylight.

The Rembrandt painting thing is also hilarious when you consider that Barnes talked about presumably selling it to recoup his losses from losing the furniture store but as you pointed out, if he does that then he is also committing a crime. And Daniel would be an accessory to it considering he knows about Barnes stealing and selling the painting and didn't say a thing.
The bounty to legally return the Rembrandt to the authorities would put Barnes back on top. And Daniel would just say that he saw Barnes return it to the authorities for money.

Again, you're thinking too much with this. This is a series based on an 80s movie trilogy. The cops barely interfere in the world around them. If they did, Cobra Kai would've been shut down long before Silver got back into the game. Shit, Kreese attacked Demetri when the latter tried to join Cobra Kai. An older man assaulting a minor would land the former in jail, veteran or not.
 
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