Class segregation in conscript military training - + "Two armies" idea and ultimate argument for mass gun ownership

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1. Segregating conscripts
For some countries, conscription is basically the only way to defend themselves, yet impact it has on population's culture is disastrous - it serves as a hive for ghetto culture, where more aggressive and criminal classes and races socially dominate. One can barely imagine how horrifying,degenerate and violent would be conscript army in a country like America or France.
However, I have already invented a solution for this: SEGREGATED ARMY
Not necessarily by race, but by more universal metric: potential criminality, based on multiple factors, such as:
-School graduation test scores
-Being/not being a high school dropout
-Teenage delinquency records
-Addiction
-Certain crimes, committed either by person itself or by parents: such as drunk driving, fights with random people, drug consumption, abandoning children, prostitution and others crimes most common among low IQ populations. White collar crime doesn't count.
-IQ testing

The conscripts can be sorted into three separate categories:
1. Upper group: highest GPA, no criminal record, high IQ
2. Middle group: majority of conscripts, average test scores
3. Lower group: low GPA, school dropouts, delinquents, low IQ, addicts

These groups should live separately and engage in different kinds of training: lower group for low qualification, high death rates roles, upper group for high qualification, low death rate roles. The higher conscript's "caste", the deadlier weapons they will be allowed to handle.

Lower class must be barred from any jobs related to policing, while upper class should be encouraged to join elite police corps.

Lower class must be always sent to the war first. Full-scale conscription of upper classes for war starts only when country runs out of potential lower class conscripts. Until this, upper classes are to be only conscripted for high-qualification roles.

2. "Two armies" idea
Governments relying on armies exposes them to significants risk: they are often staffed with individuals with low IQ and high potential for criminality. This can be alleviated by creating a smaller "second army" consisting entirely of aforementioned "upper class" officers who meet strict criteria, unlike regular army members who join it because they're poor. Second army should be paid more, and should be trained specifically to suppress and punish first army if it goes loose.
In other words, "second army" is special forces trained to fight against insurrections and violations of first one. If regular army goes loose and starts chimping out and raping civilians, then second army pulls up and gives them Mexican cartel type of punishment.

3. Ultimate argument for mass gun ownership
Organizations like army and police tend to accumulate retarded, violent individuals, who join them mostly because they're too stupid for normal jobs. Letting them have overwhelming power over civilians is absurd, and leads to military juntas, totalitarianism and atrocities. Civilian power must exceed that of army and similar structures.
Mass civilian gun ownership achieves this by creating a "civilian army" of gun owners, who are far more numerous than all government's fighters combined.
Mass civilian gun ownership also keeps government scared of consequences of its own actions, thus making it less likely to enforce overtly totalitarian measures: this is why America haven't yet completely abolished its legal freedoms and created laws like "hate speech laws" or "holocaust denial laws".
Without second amendment, first doesn't mean anything.
 
So like nobles or SS or Azov or any other local elite government loyal troops?

It isn't a bad idea but boy it is hardly new. Also AI killdrones will render it moot soon.
 
You dumpty, We already have this system: Enlisted (Everyone), Non-Commissioned Officers (proven to be not idiots), then Commissioned Officers (straight from college or elevated from Non-Commissioned officers. -- Its just minus conscription. If we do it the way you envisioned, the people with High IQ will abuse the Lower IQ class, and the Lower IQ class will resent the higher class and start fragging officers. A modern military cannot function like this and will constantly be failing to achieve objectives because of inner-conflict and accidental deaths.

See: Russia. Can't even take Ukraine entirely because their conscripts are only given a few weeks of training, pointed at some hole in the ground and ordered to take it-- Get obliterated by organized dudes with proper technical training, drones, and robots with .50 caliber weapons. --Or just straight up kill their own commanding officer and surrender.

The only thing I will agree upon is conscription for a minimum of two years. For some reason people in non-retarded and non-authoritarian countries tend to function better in civilian life. See the Swiss: They hold different shooting events throughout the year and earn medals to hang on a wall.
 
The only thing I will agree upon is conscription for a minimum of two years. For some reason people in non-retarded and non-authoritarian countries tend to function better in civilian life. See the Swiss: They hold different shooting events throughout the year and earn medals to hang on a wall.
Conscription should be always avoided if not necessary. By "necessary" I mean either sparsely populated countries (like Mongolia) or countries at imminent risk of war (like South Korea or Taiwan).
The class segregation system I described is meant for conscription. It's needed to prevent crimes in army and prevent conscription from having a cancerous impact on country's culture.
 
Conscription should be always avoided if not necessary. By "necessary" I mean either sparsely populated countries (like Mongolia) or countries at imminent risk of war (like South Korea or Taiwan).
The class segregation system I described is meant for conscription. It's needed to prevent crimes in army and prevent conscription from having a cancerous impact on country's culture.
Anyone is capable of crime, regardless of class, civilian or Military. Stealing another soldiers' protein paste is a crime. Ordering soldiers to futilely take a position when other, non-life threatening options were available is also a crime. You cannot stop the human condition simply because they have been conscripted or even enlisted.
 
Non-Commissioned Officers (proven to be not idiots)
Demonstrably false.

The Army is designed to function with retards. It flourishes with retards and criminals. It is not designed to take advantage of high-performing individuals. Superior quality individuals are reduced to average output by the nature of the system. It's just the way it is, and it mostly works.

The thing about proposing a "better way" of utilizing talent is that the individuals who think they're the smart high-performers with good ideas are almost invariably retarded.

Remember, YOU are not as smart as you think you are. Good ideas come from fairies. If YOU think you've got a good idea it's a clue that you're about to fuck up and piss everyone off.
 
Demonstrably false.

The Army is designed to function with retards. It flourishes with retards and criminals. It is not designed to take advantage of high-performing individuals. Superior quality individuals are reduced to average output by the nature of the system. It's just the way it is, and it mostly works.

The thing about proposing a "better way" of utilizing talent is that the individuals who think they're the smart high-performers with good ideas are almost invariably retarded.

Remember, YOU are not as smart as you think you are. Good ideas come from fairies. If YOU think you've got a good idea it's a clue that you're about to fuck up and piss everyone off.
Where and how did you fuck up, or which one of your greenies convinced you there is no God?
 
Where and how did you fuck up, or which one of your greenies convinced you there is no God?

I have seen many high performers come up through the ranks. They always bitch about this process and propose that solution. It always sounds great on paper, then they reach a point where they can start affecting change and culture. Next thing you know the new up-and-comers are bitching about the new processes and proposing their own great solutions. It's an endless cycle where the best you can hope for is to do no harm.

I have seen the stupidest people on earth manage to do be effective at their jobs, at every level, through repetition and a team-player mindset. Just don't trust them to count or do anything that isn't codified by a checklist with a mnemonic (bonus points if you know what principles "Puerto Ricans Suck Cock Constantly" outlines).

Friction is the universal constant of any military; and I mean friction in every organizational, operational, and cultural aspect. Shit will never be optimal. Accept it.

If you want my super-great proposal to fix everything: No Niggers Allowed! Sorry if you're the exception to the rule, but you gotta hang too.
 
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