Cities Skylines (1&2), SimCity 4, city simulators - sperg about simulations that include or don't include niggers

[Curry Teafag]

based and monsterpilled.
i had to look really hard for a video that used the monster, most of the videos are shitty remixes of the song, fucking hell.

Booo-yeah!

 

[barrow greeter]

I like Cities Skylines and own most of the expansion packs, but the two things that I don't like are the easy difficulty and the music. It seems very hard to make a city go bankrupt, and so it plays more like a sandbox than a simulator. The entire soundtrack is also kind of disjointed, so I run a steam workshop mod that replaces the soundtrack with SimCity music. If anyone knows of any mods that make it run more like the financial simulation of SC games, Id' love to know about them.

 

[StacticShock]

I like Cities Skylines and own most of the expansion packs, but the two things that I don't like are the easy difficulty and the music. It seems very hard to make a city go bankrupt, and so it plays more like a sandbox than a simulator. The entire soundtrack is also kind of disjointed, so I run a steam workshop mod that replaces the soundtrack with SimCity music. If anyone knows of any mods that make it run more like the financial simulation of SC games, Id' love to know about them.

the game is like that at the core, only paradox can fix it but why would they, zero competition.

 

[Exegesis]

Does anybody know which train model is the fastest? I assume it's the bullet train but the high speed train seems faster to me upon testing it out; it carries 300 people compared to the bullet trains 200 so it is preferable.

 

[Trigger Me Timbers]

I like Cities Skylines and own most of the expansion packs, but the two things that I don't like are the easy difficulty and the music. It seems very hard to make a city go bankrupt, and so it plays more like a sandbox than a simulator. The entire soundtrack is also kind of disjointed, so I run a steam workshop mod that replaces the soundtrack with SimCity music. If anyone knows of any mods that make it run more like the financial simulation of SC games, Id' love to know about them.

City skylines simulation has never been good in my opinion. I have a feeling it’s due to the fact that it was built off a traffic management engine more than it was a city simulator.

I feel like SimCity was a game that looked dumb, but was really smart under the hood where city skylines looks really smart but under the hood it’s really dumb.

I like Cities Skylines and own most of the expansion packs, but the two things that I don't like are the easy difficulty and the music. It seems very hard to make a city go bankrupt, and so it plays more like a sandbox than a simulator. The entire soundtrack is also kind of disjointed, so I run a steam workshop mod that replaces the soundtrack with SimCity music. If anyone knows of any mods that make it run more like the financial simulation of SC games, Id' love to know about them.

City skylines simulation has never been good in my opinion. I have a feeling it’s due to the fact that it was built off a traffic management engine more than it was a city simulator.

I feel like SimCity was a game that looked dumb, but was really smart under the hood where city skylines looks really smart but under the hood it’s really dumb.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

City skylines simulation has never been good in my opinion. I have a feeling it’s due to the fact that it was built off a traffic management engine more than it was a city simulator.

I feel like SimCity was a game that looked dumb, but was really smart under the hood where city skylines looks really smart but under the hood it’s really dumb.

The SimCity games have traditionally looked great for the systems that they were on. In comparison, unmodded Cities Skylines looks awful. To make C:S look decent you have to basically replace every single asset and add a bunch of lighting mods that cause it to grind down to 9 FPS.

 

[Exegesis]

City skylines simulation has never been good in my opinion. I have a feeling it’s due to the fact that it was built off a traffic management engine more than it was a city simulator.

>managing a city means that I shouldn't have to spend forever keeping up with traffic and the rest of my logistics
What do you think city planning is?
I get that it's frustrating sometimes because you can't do more intricate things without having every DLC and 6 thrembillion mods though. I would loveeeeeeeeeee to make Soviet style micordistricts in CS1.

 

[StacticShock]

What do you think city planning is?

well, it certainly is not just traffic management.

all of this shit is kind of pointless once you realize it's all about the traffic.

 

[Trigger Me Timbers]

>managing a city means that I shouldn't have to spend forever keeping up with traffic and the rest of my logistics
What do you think city planning is?
I get that it's frustrating sometimes because you can't do more intricate things without having every DLC and 6 thrembillion mods though. I would loveeeeeeeeeee to make Soviet style micordistricts in CS1.

I didn’t mean you shouldn’t deal with traffic. What I’m getting at is ALL you deal with is traffic in cities skylines.

I have never once had to touch taxes or budgets.

The only “city ordinances” that I do interact with are to help traffic / promote trains, and even then it’s not evident if it works.

And if I was to go and do goofy shit like mega tax everyone, nothing happens. No riots, no housing collapse, no mega mansions or slums. Just nothing.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

I didn’t mean you shouldn’t deal with traffic. What I’m getting at is ALL you deal with is traffic in cities skylines.

I have never once had to touch taxes or budgets.

The only “city ordinances” that I do interact with are to help traffic / promote trains, and even then it’s not evident if it works.

And if I was to go and do goofy shit like mega tax everyone, nothing happens. No riots, no housing collapse, no mega mansions or slums. Just nothing.

This is pretty true and why it feels like such a pointless game. SC4 has traffic management, and sure it might even be the largest obstacle. But there were quite a few other "lose" conditions that made it feel like a much fuller city management sim.

C:S is just paint by the numbers until, uh oh, gotta adjust traffic.

 

[Exegesis]

I have never once had to touch taxes or budgets.

What I don't like about the games tax system is that you can never go above 12% most of the time and it can't vary by district. I also don't like how every person who moves into the city has to start out as completely uneducated and that we can't mess with the zoned buildings to have them like set back a bit further from the road or add props directly on them unless you have mods to do it.

 

[StacticShock]

And if I was to go and do goofy shit like mega tax everyone, nothing happens. No riots, no housing collapse, no mega mansions or slums. Just nothing.

meanwhile on SC2013, high taxes still causes overall city abandonment.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

This is pretty true and why it feels like such a pointless game. SC4 has traffic management, and sure it might even be the largest obstacle. But there were quite a few other "lose" conditions that made it feel like a much fuller city management sim.

C:S is just paint by the numbers until, uh oh, gotta adjust traffic.

It wouldn't be that bad if they did it correctly. My first unmodded C:S run went something like this:
- build basic RCI to get things started, literally just a few blocks
- cars cram the streets (which IRL doesn't happen, suburban streets are basically ghost towns)
- game demands that I put in clinics because people are getting sick, presumably from all the traffic
- put in clinic
- somehow the clinic's radius isn't more than two blocks
- people start dying
- hearses cram the streets to take people to the cemetery

This didn't happen with SimCity 4 (it only received a few official patches), the unmodded traffic issues only really appeared when your city started to get going. This was also in February 2016, almost a year after release and two DLCs, meaning that they had plenty of time and resources to fix this.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

It wouldn't be that bad if they did it correctly. My first unmodded C:S run went something like this:
- build basic RCI to get things started, literally just a few blocks
- cars cram the streets (which IRL doesn't happen, suburban streets are basically ghost towns)
- game demands that I put in clinics because people are getting sick, presumably from all the traffic
- put in clinic
- somehow the clinic's radius isn't more than two blocks
- people start dying
- hearses cram the streets to take people to the cemetery

This didn't happen with SimCity 4 (it only received a few official patches), the unmodded traffic issues only really appeared when your city started to get going. This was also in February 2016, almost a year after release and two DLCs, meaning that they had plenty of time and resources to fix this.

The problem is that C:S treats noise pollution like something that's ultra deadly so if you have any traffic and residential zones anywhere near roads with more than two lanes everyone gets sick which fills your roads with endless ambulances. The dozens of ambulances causes more traffic so they can't get there in time so the people start dying. Then you have dozens of hearses causing even more traffic jams which prevents them from picking up the corpses which causes builds to be abandoned. This is why I always run a mod that removes noise pollution.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

The problem is that C:S treats noise pollution like something that's ultra deadly so if you have any traffic and residential zones anywhere near roads with more than two lanes everyone gets sick which fills your roads with endless ambulances. The dozens of ambulances causes more traffic so they can't get there in time so the people start dying. Then you have dozens of hearses causing even more traffic jams which prevents them from picking up the corpses which causes builds to be abandoned. This is why I always run a mod that removes noise pollution.

The fact that this was NEVER patched really says a lot about how C:S is developed and where developer priorities are. The whole development was like this:

player: "Hey, I found [game-breaking bug], could you put it in the next patch?"
CO: "Our NEW downloadable content, Hobotown, lets you put in hobo encampments, drag and drop exciting NEW items like the Dung Pile, the Camping Tent, and the Mound of Trash...also...wait for it, NEW HATS FOR CHIRPER!!!"

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

The fact that this was NEVER patched really says a lot about how C:S is developed and where developer priorities are. The whole development was like this:

player: "Hey, I found [game-breaking bug], could you put it in the next patch?"
CO: "Our NEW downloadable content, Hobotown, lets you put in hobo encampments, drag and drop exciting NEW items like the Dung Pile, the Camping Tent, and the Mound of Trash...also...wait for it, NEW HATS FOR CHIRPER!!!"

I wish they had made slums and homeless camps so I could live out my Robert Moses fantasies by running highways through tenement districts to service the richer districts. But no, everything is clean and beautiful.

 

[Curry Teafag]

We really can't have nice things, can we?

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

I wish they had made slums and homeless camps so I could live out my Robert Moses fantasies by running highways through tenement districts to service the richer districts. But no, everything is clean and beautiful.

I really just wanted the giant slumlord apartments that you could get in SC. Idk, those games had so much more flavor.

*Edit* Oh yeah, that's the good stuff. Man SC4 still looks great to this day.

 

[Kyria the Great]

Honestly I hate how crime isn't really a factor in newer games as it was funny that the default for SimCity was a police state. Also I hate the fact that property values are the end all be all and pops don't have economic brackets where actually having too high property values everywhere is a bad thing

 

[Curry Teafag]

Honestly I hate how crime isn't really a factor in newer games as it was funny that the default for SimCity was a police state. Also I hate the fact that property values are the end all be all and pops don't have economic brackets where actually having too high property values everywhere is a bad thing

It used to be a thing in SC3K. I remember the granny complaining about high property taxes (caused by risen property values). For some reason, they removed it for SC4.