Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

[ScaliasGhost]

Not sure if this has been asked or if this is even the appropriate thread to ask, but I don't want to shit the forum up with a new thread so... If Barb is found to be incapable of consent or even caring for herself, would the creditors and other businesses who are suing her for debts pretty much be shit out of luck? It seems like those debt hearings are pretty useless if someone has such severe dementia. Is it even legal for them to attempt to take her to court if she's declared incompetent by a medical professional?

Not super familiar with these situations but a conservator would likely be appointed to manage her finances and would litigate in her place.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Not super familiar with these situations but a conservator would likely be appointed to manage her finances and would litigate in her place.

It would be a guardian or guardian/conservator that would do the litigating. Conservator is full financial control, guardian makes legal and care decisions.

 

[AnOminous]

Not sure if this has been asked or if this is even the appropriate thread to ask, but I don't want to shit the forum up with a new thread so... If Barb is found to be incapable of consent or even caring for herself, would the creditors and other businesses who are suing her for debts pretty much be shit out of luck?

Nope. They own the house. She can go be a senile rape victim somewhere else that they don't own.

 

[robobobo]

Not sure if this has been asked or if this is even the appropriate thread to ask, but I don't want to shit the forum up with a new thread so... If Barb is found to be incapable of consent or even caring for herself, would the creditors and other businesses who are suing her for debts pretty much be shit out of luck? It seems like those debt hearings are pretty useless if someone has such severe dementia. Is it even legal for them to attempt to take her to court if she's declared incompetent by a medical professional?

Things like houses and cars are secured loans, the person you borrowed from can simply come and take the property if you default. Any secured debt of Barb's does not require her consent or consciousness for the creditor to come and collect. Unsecured debt like credit cards will have a harder time getting anything from her if her brain's gone. They will certainly try to collect, but that's just how shit goes when you're in the unsecured debt business; odds are good they're just out for whatever balance is on her credit cards. They'll write it off as a loss and jack up everyone else's interest rate to keep the money typhoon going.

It does get a little more interesting if the government comes calling for what they're owed. If the county property tax hasn't been paid, there may be an entertaining tug of war between the bank and the county for who gets to take the house. It's possible for there to be several liens against the property, if Barb took out two mortgages and never paid Bob the HVAC guy for the $3000 air conditioning unit and is a year behind on property tax, you'll see a legal clusterfuck ensue as multiple entities all try to grab a piece of the pie to get what they're owed.

 

[Justtocheck]

I absolutely love legal specualtion in the Farms. When I saw the word RICO used here I let out an audible chuckle. BTW, just because legal speculation in the farms jinxes real life Imma bet probation and a small fine because the judge cannot be bothered with this shit. Your blue balls will be bluer than the Piccasso's early period. Oh, and there will be retards who will mail every public worker involved in the case.

 

[Scary New Dad]

Nope. They own the house. She can go be a senile rape victim somewhere else that they don't own.

But what if the value of the lego makes the total go over what is owed?

 

[catmasterj]

Chris is definitely the worst Phoenix Wright case.

Seriously though either way he's screwed.

Is the Patreon still up?

 

[Flavius Anthemius]

Chris is definitely the worst Phoenix Wright case.

Seriously though either way he's screwed.

Is the Patreon still up?

Nope, the Patreon is still down, doubt it's ever going to get back up now considering Patreon did it themselves, and now that they know clear as day that he wasn't fulfilling the obligations for his backers, Patreon don't have to lift a finger even if be tried to open it up again after his sentence.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

I think even if the defense could offer up the fact Chris was convinced into doing this that he would still be culpable. The Virginia statute basically says that if you have sex with someone, and they didn't consent, you're guilty of rape. There's no defense for intent, or reasonable assumption of consent nothing.

You might get a mitigation because he's a retard, but he'll still get some kind of punishment - probably a decent amount of jail time.

This is a good post and your point is often overlooked on here. The court has a wide latitude of factors to consider during sentencing that may not even be addressed when determining guilt.

 

[cohensd]

This is likely autistic (and definitely morbid), but what extent of the abuse that Chris committed was actually genital intercourse? I ask because of possible grey areas in evidence. It's obvious he did it, but I'd suspect there's harder work to be done for this fact to hold up beyond what would be typical for a rape case. I'm not a lawyer, but this just struck me as a possible challenge for the prosecution.

I'm just thinking about how Chris was describing the sex in a way that I don't know how he could have done things he claimed because of his physical limitations. IIRC, his bent duck and estrogen usage led to speculation of a general incapability of Chris having conventional sex at this point. To me, it sounds like there would be mostly manual or oral sex happening because of these physical limitations and Chris saying he performed oral sex. Forgive me for sounding like a novice, but how hard is it to prove abuse in court without DNA?

 

[Chazzed Up]

Forgive me for sounding like a novice, but how hard is it to prove abuse in court without DNA?

If there is no DNA or visible signs of abuse then I think their strongest case would have to come from either Barb, Chris, or both corroborating what is already said to have happened. I assume what Chris told others may be usable too but as far as the rules that govern its admissibility, someone else could probably confirm.

 

[AmnasLord]

Another legal question, how likely is the defense to call IJL (or whatever her name is) based on the records that show Chris and Barb committed incest? From what I've read, the evidence came out from her side that he had sex with Barb, but maybe thats not correct. Secondly, how likely is Null to be called for the defense? Again, from evidence, Null had an important role to play and was in contact with Chris prior to his arrest.

 

[ScaliasGhost]

Another legal question, how likely is the defense to call IJL (or whatever her name is) based on the records that show Chris and Barb committed incest? From what I've read, the evidence came out from her side that he had sex with Barb, but maybe thats not correct. Secondly, how likely is Null to be called for the defense? Again, from evidence, Null had an important role to play and was in contact with Chris prior to his arrest.

They may need to call them to lay the foundation for the texts to be admitted. Foundation is essentially people vouching that the evidence is what is is purported to be (here, Null would likely say it's his phone, he was actually the person using it at the time, and he had previously used that number to communicate with Chris, etc...).

However, if it's pretty obvious to both sides it's admissible evidence and had proper foundation, they can stipulate to it's admittance and wouldn't need to call him if his only testimony was going to be laying foundation.

In general both sides try to avoid calling witnesses if a stipulation can be used instead because it's much easier and cheaper to do and no risk of some wildcard testimony screwing things up/ witness no-showing.

 

[Mason Verger]

They may need to call them to lay the foundation for the texts to be admitted. Foundation is essentially people vouching that the evidence is what is is purported to be (here, Null would likely say it's his phone, he was actually the person using it at the time, and he had previously used that number to communicate with Chris, etc...).

However, if it's pretty obvious to both sides it's admissible evidence and had proper foundation, they can stipulate to it's admittance and wouldn't need to call him if his only testimony was going to be laying foundation.

In general both sides try to avoid calling witnesses if a stipulation can be used instead because it's much easier and cheaper to do and no risk of some wildcard testimony screwing things up/ witness no-showing.

I feel like in the internet age, this kind of evidence is hardly a rarity. Internet weirdos bragging to other internet weirdos about their crimes should be pretty common at this point. I just can’t imagine they’ll be too stumped by how to approach this as evidence.
“Well fuck.. turns out these aren’t even their real names! Very clever, BarbsBeefCurtains6969, veeeery clever..”.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I feel like in the internet age, this kind of evidence is hardly a rarity. Internet weirdos bragging to other internet weirdos about their crimes should be pretty common at this point. I just can’t imagine they’ll be too stumped by how to approach this as evidence.
“Well fuck.. turns out these aren’t even their real names! Very clever, BarbsBeefCurtains6969, veeeery clever..”.

Well, the main thing is there's no evidence that they made Chris fuck Barb.

 

[AmnasLord]

Well, the main thing is there's no evidence that they made Chris fuck Barb.

Well, as far as I have read, its pretty clear the ILJ (or whatever her name is) was discussing incest related material with Chris and that their discussion went pretty far. While I agree there is no proof of ILJ saying "rape your mother", there is evidence that discussing these topics did "water the seed" as another user posted.

Plus the whole Idea Guy saga makes it pretty clear that Chris, to an extend, is mailable to a degree.

 

[StraightShooter2]

Well, as far as I have read, its pretty clear the ILJ (or whatever her name is) was discussing incest related material with Chris and that their discussion went pretty far. While I agree there is no proof of ILJ saying "rape your mother", there is evidence that discussing these topics did "water the seed" as another user posted.

Plus the whole Idea Guy saga makes it pretty clear that Chris, to an extend, is mailable to a degree.

Unless Chris is ruled mentally incompetent to stand trial, I don't think that the argument that "Bella made Chris do it" is gonna fly with the court.

 

[Mason Verger]

Well, as far as I have read, its pretty clear the ILJ (or whatever her name is) was discussing incest related material with Chris and that their discussion went pretty far. While I agree there is no proof of ILJ saying "rape your mother", there is evidence that discussing these topics did "water the seed" as another user posted.

I’m not even interested in any shifting of blame. Id love to see them both catch charges. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. There’s plenty of shit sandwich for both of them to get a bite.

 

[AmnasLord]

I’m not even interested in any shifting of blame. Id love to see them both catch charges. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. There’s plenty of shit sandwich for both of them to get a bite.

Yeah thats what I want. I want both Chris and Bella to be put on trial, and I would argue that the Idea Guys needs to be put on trial as well. But thats just me. I think its a horrible state all around.

Unless Chris is ruled mentally incompetent to stand trial, I don't think that the argument that "Bella made Chris do it" is gonna fly with the court.

I think he may very well be ruled incompetent. After all, he was brainwashed into believing he was a goddess even after the Idea Guys were outed as trolls and continues to believe that some sort of merge is coming. I don't believe that they will, after looking at all the internet evidence that exists including transcripts, put Chris into any sort of trial.

 

[StraightShooter2]

I think he may very well be ruled incompetent. After all, he was brainwashed into believing he was a goddess even after the Idea Guys were outed as trolls and continues to believe that some sort of merge is coming. I don't believe that they will, after looking at all the internet evidence that exists including transcripts, put Chris into any sort of trial.

Possibly, but there have been many criminals (e.x. Charles Manson) who were found to be "mentally ill", but still held accountable as far as their crimes are concerned.

The rule is that simply "having mental illness" isn't a cop-out; the person has to be found to be "mentally ill" enough at the time the action occurred that they couldn't tell right from wrong.

The best they might be able to argue that on are some things that Chris said himself (e.x. that "God approved of him and Barb's relationship).