Charlie Kirk: Aftermath, Gravedancing, and Manhunt

[harmy.kook]

They have zero answer to the question of "if criticising Israel is enough for you to be assassinated, why is Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens still breathing".

Ring it up

 

[Taser Confetti]

They have zero answer to the question of "if criticising Israel is enough for you to be assassinated, why is Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens still breathing".

Candace Owens is so schizophrenic she acts as controlled opposition.

 

[Reverend Babyshaker]

Yes, I do tend to think things that tend to be more likely are indeed true. That is typically how rational deduction works. I refer you to Occam's razor.

Actually, a few hundred years ago, after that whole fiasco where everyone thought for thousands of years that it was "more likely" and "Occam's Razor" that the Sun revolved around the Earth - some people figured out that this is how retards think. "I'm smart, therefore whatever I already believe is true."

That's why they invented stuff like the scientific method and the presumption of innocence.

 

[Among Us Gaming]

Actually, a few hundred years ago, after that whole fiasco where everyone thought for thousands of years that it was "more likely" and "Occam's Razor" that the Sun revolved around the Earth

Yes, it was their logic that was faulty, not their lack of instruments and otherwise mathematical abilities.

That's why they invented stuff like the scientific method and the presumption of innocence

The irony here in light of your rejection of Occam's razor is so palpable I could cut it with a knife.

 

[Reverend Babyshaker]

Yes, it was their logic that was faulty, not their lack of instruments and otherwise mathematical abilities.

The irony here in light of your rejection of Occam's razor is so palpable I could cut it with a knife.

There were lots of reasons, especially ideological ones, why people believed in geocentric cosmology. The same goes for a million other things.

"Rejection of Occam's Razor"? Retards think that Occam's Razor is some kind of scientific principle. They also don't realize that it is supposed to be used to choose between explanations *which explain all the observations*.

You don't need to make any observations, you just have a simple explanation that makes sense to simpletons. Good for you.

I'm not interested in arguing about who killed Charlie Kirk; I just wanted to show how easy it would be to carry out a conspiracy when most people think like you.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

There were lots of reasons, especially ideological ones, why people believed in geocentric cosmology. The same goes for a million other things.

"Rejection of Occam's Razor"? Retards think that Occam's Razor is some kind of scientific principle. They also don't realize that it is supposed to be used to choose between explanations *which explain all the observations*.

You don't need to make any observations, you just have a simple explanation that makes sense to simpletons. Good for you.

I'm not interested in arguing about who killed Charlie Kirk; I just wanted to show how easy it would be to carry out a conspiracy when most people think like you.

That's not what Occam's Razor is.

Occam's Razor has to do with the assumptions and complexity of each potential solution, generally (though not always) it's assumed that both explainations are otherwise possible.

For example; I walk outside and it's 70°F, cloudy, and my patio is dry. I take a nap and come outside two hours later - now it's still about 70°F and cloudy but there's a puddle at roughly "room temperature" on my patio and the grass is wet.
What's a better explanation? That a brief rain shower blew through when I was napping OR that the temperature dropped, it started snowing but then before I woke up the temp rapidly increased to melt the snow and warm the water, but then decreased back to around 70°F?

You have a device with a coin slot. On the left, the tub carries the coin down a tube where it strikes a lever that triggers a slingshot that launches onto a scale that with the right weight initiates a catapult that wheels it around to a funnel where it spins down onto one of several levers triggered by a 60 second clock which shoot it down into a web of tubes where one or more can drop it into the bucket.
On the right, a straight tube carries the coin down into the bucket.
Which path to get the coin into the bucket is more probable?

Bringing it back to Kirk, it applies because the "the tranny fucker did it" explanation requires the least amount of moving parts and the least amount of follow-up explanations for the other lose ends and questions that alternative theories create.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Bringing it back to Kirk, it applies because the "the tranny fucker did it" explanation requires the least amount of moving parts and the least amount of follow-up explanations for the other lose ends and questions that alternative theories create.

It's just that this requires one to ignore the following observations:

1. Joe Kent being blocked from investigating possible terror and/or foreign leads
2. Lance twiggs looking guilty at every stage (dna on weapon, towel, the dremel used for carving bullets was his, given immunity)
3. Every test for the angle of the shot with that ammunition went through and through (per chris martinson). For refference, only when they took considerably steeper angle for the shot, did it redirect.
4. The unusually broad court order preventing anyone relating to case including his family from speaking out publically.
5. The lack of forensic testing of phones of both lance and tyler
6. A confession to discord that happened after Tyler was taken into custody.
7. The lack of a 911 call from tpusa
8. The suppression of a tpusa worker that wanted to share what he had seen moments after it happened
9. The strange behaviour and constant lies from TPUSA, including blake neff, andrew kolvet, the latter who said they are all dealing with their guilt differently.
10. The lack of investigating and follow up from fbi in regards to online messages that suggested kirk's death was coming
11. Paving over the crime scene within a week.


Just a selection from the top of my head. If you include the evidence and apply occam's razor, tyler working alone is no longer the simplest explanation that fits with the evidence.

Change my mind.

 

[Kokonut Kangs Klan]

Spoiler: feeding the local tard

With "tyler working alone is no longer the simplest explanation" as your goalpost:

1. Joe Kent being blocked from investigating possible terror and/or foreign leads

Assuming they conclusively determined that it's just a loony troon couple (my goalpost), then further investigation is a waste of time, this is the simplest explanation.

2. Lance twiggs looking guilty at every stage (dna on weapon, towel, the dremel used for carving bullets was his, given immunity)

Yeah, I think everyone agrees the troon was likely involved in some capacity. Giving him immunity would be pointless if he wasn't involved.

3. Every test for the angle of the shot with that ammunition went through and through (per chris martinson). For refference, only when they took considerably steeper angle for the shot, did it redirect.

Shit happens. Bodies aren't the same as their test rig. Could be some complication from carving the bullets. It could be anything. "The test is not real life" is the simple answer.

4. The unusually broad court order preventing anyone relating to case including his family from speaking out publically.

It's an unusual case, at least until troons get their celebrity kill count up. Not wanting a media circus makes perfect sense, although I don't agree with the order as far as freedom of speech. If you'd like to elaborate on how this is unprecedented even for a high-profile case like this (is it?), that could be interesting, I'm not knowledgeable about this.

5. The lack of forensic testing of phones of both lance and tyler

Again like #1, if they've got them dead to rights already then this isn't really necessary. They should do this to crack down on the broader tranny menace, but police are fucking lazy, simple as.

6. A confession to discord that happened after Tyler was taken into custody.

I haven't followed the case that closely, I'd have to go back and read about this, so I yield this one, what you're describing sounds bad.

7. The lack of a 911 call from tpusa

Someone else right there was probably on it already? I don't know how many people you're expecting to dial 911 independently, more calls don't help anything and well-coordinated teams should result in fewer calls, since they know it's handled already.

8. The suppression of a tpusa worker that wanted to share what he had seen moments after it happened

I'm also ignorant to this one, sounds like more of #4 but I'd want to read the details, your description is too vague for me to speculate much about the simplest option.

9. The strange behaviour and constant lies from TPUSA, including blake neff, andrew kolvet, the latter who said they are all dealing with their guilt differently.

This covers too much ground to quickly comment on. I'd need to learn more about these lies. And maybe some of these people hated him or had a strained relationship or something else. "People are complicated and this is an unusual event" is the simple answer unless I learn of something very damning.

10. The lack of investigating and follow up from fbi in regards to online messages that suggested kirk's death was coming

See #1 and #5, waste of resources and/or lazy police.

11. Paving over the crime scene within a week.

Yeah, it's not obvious why they'd do this, but I don't think hiding evidence is the simplest explanation. There are many trivial reasons they might want to move on or might've wanted to make this change anyways, we just don't know which one.

And of course you have more, of course that was just the top of your head, because there are an endless number of simple boring facts you can hallucinate into crazy shit. That's the simplest explanation to that.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Assuming they conclusively determined that it's just a loony troon couple (my goalpost), then further investigation is a waste of time, this is the simplest explanation

Full ts/sci clearance and he wasn't even allowed to look at the evidence to make that determination.

The simplest explanation is that there is something they didn't want him to see.

It was significant enough for him that he resigned shortly after, citing the evidence there was that people had foreknowledge and no sign of follow up.

Shit happens. Bodies aren't the same as their test rig. Could be some complication from carving the bullets. It could be anything. "The test is not real life" is the simple answer.

Shit happens, it could be anything. Why look at anything at all ever?

I agree by itself it isn't a slam dunk, though. I gage it from the back and forth between x discussion about this. The people that are doing tests and analysing can't replicate it. The people that are attacking the analysis, are refusing to give any criteria that would be somewhat of an acceptable test that isn't on a live human body of exactly Charlie's proportions (impossible tests).

And the ones critical seem foaming at the mouth (I suppose as I have sometimes been in this thread), while those doing the tests seem levelheaded.

I haven't followed the case that closely, I'd have to go back and read about this, so I yield this one, what you're describing sounds bad.

It was a difficult one to pin down, because Kash Patel's claim of catching him in 33 hours wasn't accurate. Tyler was also transported from one to another place. I'll reconstruct the timeline when I get to my desktop.

Someone else right there was probably on it already?

Brian Harpole from his security said in the shawn ryan interview that the hospital was surprised and not ready when they arrived. There is no such call showing on foia requests.

I'm also ignorant to this one, sounds like more of #4 but I'd want to read the details, your description is too vague for me to speculate much about the simplest option

sure I'll dig up the interview. The steelman of the defense argumentation would be that tpusa workers are instructed not to talk to media.

See #1 and #5, waste of resources and/or lazy police

joe kent was head of counterterrorism. The fbi doesn't decide how he spends his resources.

If I missed any important ones let me know. I gotta go, right now. I'll get back on the specific evidences.

 

[Among Us Gaming]

Rejection of Occam's Razor"? Retards think that Occam's Razor is some kind of scientific principle.

It is, as stated by your following statement which directly contradicts you one here.

They also don't realize that it is supposed to be used to choose between explanations *which explain all the observations*.

Yes, and the assumptions that both all assumptions are correct, and relevant, are required to hold the postion that you do. It also carries the corollary that alternate explanations are less valid/likely.
The strange lack of penetration could indicate c4 in Kirks lapel mic, or it could be because the ammo used is a downloaded soft point specifically designed to not overpenetrate. He could have been shot in the neck because thats how the mossad does it, or it could be because a rifle zeroed for 100 yards will have a 4 inch drop a 200 yards. These and many others are examples of explanations other than highly complicated military or espionage ops. Given that I have seen these observations (and others), and find that they have explantions of both mossad/cia/[nefarious organization], and a nutty communisy tranny chaser, the latter is the simpler, accounting for all observations, and ergo, appears to be correct. Ultimately however, none of that matters because

I'm not interested in arguing about who killed Charlie Kirk; I just wanted to show how easy it would be to carry out a conspiracy when most people think like you

I'm going to be charitable here, and assume you say this because its how you actually feel, and not because you do not want to argue a postion you know to be equal parts politically convenient and indefensible. This is ultimately the fundamental problem as I think many in this thread would agree. Those who believe it to be Robinson acting alone, saw Charlie Kirk, father, and upstanding man, be murdered in cold blood over his views, want the truth do be known so justice can be done. Those who hawk all manner of other theories, see Charlie Kirk, useful political commentator, get killed for views he spoke little and mildly of, and look for ways to prove it was their preferred boogeyman, so they can use the mans death to push their own agenda. They have little to no interest in truth, only political convenience, and expediency.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

They have little to no interest in truth, only political convenience, and expediency

Projection. As proven here:

From a rational view, Kirks killer being a psychotic left wing tranny chaser is substantially more useful politically speaking for effecting change in the country.

 

[stealthjunk]

Slow week here. Do we think that if Charlie were alive, he would have a laugh at this whole spectacle?

Candace, his wife acting kinda odd, being killed by a weird tranny chaser, etc.

I don't know much about Kirk's sense of humor while he was on Earth.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Slow week here. Do we think that if Charlie were alive, he would have a laugh at this whole spectacle?

He'd probably do a show like this:

 

[Among Us Gaming]

Projection. As proven here:

This is incredibly disingenuous and you know it. The "projection" you see is a confused remark, as I do not understand why those who seek expedience for their political projects, are choosing the less electorally popular, more controversial, and more difficult to prove narrative instead of the one that has zero of those problems. It makes no rational sense. Because of that it leads me to the assumtpions that those who push such narratives are either flat out not very bright, or seek to push their political projects, irrespective of any justice or truth in the matter. A good question to ask in the circumstance is "would you be disappointed if actually was not mossad/cia/[etc.]" as disappointment indicates a commitment to the narrative beyond seeking the truth of it. Conversely (or as a corollary depending on who you ask) it indicates an apathy to the tragedy of the situation as well.

I fully reject your accusation. I would like justice to be done, and Robinson to receive the death penalty. Insofar as political moves are concerned, I make no assertions as that is not what I seek at this point, nor quite frankly am I intelligent enough to put forward a coherent and pragmatic response of what to do.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

I do not understand why those who seek expedience for their political projects, are choosing the less electorally popular, more controversial, and more difficult to prove narrative instead of the one that has zero of those problems. It makes no rational sense

So perhaps they (we) are seeking truth, because as you said, political expediency would be towards the other path.

Occam's razor and all.

And to answer your question, no I wouldn't be dissapointed, except for how much of other's time I would have wasted. I agree, that question is a good test.

You said you wanted both the death penalty for robinson and justice. Would you be dissapointed if these two were mutually exclusive?

 

[LeChampion1992]

I’m mixed in hoping they fry that fucker. Ever since Charlie Kirk was murdered, the absolute slander and disrespect that he has endured has been to a point where I can’t see them as people. I wasn’t even a fan of him when he was alive.

Maybe but at yhe end of the day charlie is a right winger andcright wingers are evil because colorful media says so.

imagine spending 3/4 of a year running defense for an extremely ugly, tranny-fucking literal faggot

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imagine simping for this disgusting, hideous faggot

I mean the left are chalk full of people who are angry and bitter so it's no surprise.

-Several attempts at killing thier opposition
-laughing when they do it or saying “dont miss next time” when it fails, meming it.
-groups constantly militarizing
-media on their side telling them it’s morally ok
-loads of evidence online in public for everyone to see
-mass shootings usually caused by these things
-cowardly party growing desperate
-rioted over two of thier own grunts getting killed while evidence says otherwise

-somehow it’s a jewish inside job or he’s actually a conservative somehow

This is supposed to be a wedge that divides us when one of our own was shot, we should had come together and stamped out these creatures permanently by holding them accountable and yet here we are, “satanic jews from the planet mars”

Look honestly to give props to the left they back their crazies. I see even normie libtards defending ice protesters and think ICE are evil. Literally if there is a civil war right wingers being hunted like the dogs they are (according to destiny) is possible. The left for all their incompetence still has the will to power the right doesn't realistically.

Conservatives need massive security details to do events at college campuses. Liberals don't. It's so bad that Steven Crowder stopped doing them over the risk. Charlie Kirk didn't stop doing them over the risk. Where is he now?

If one political ideology polices with violence who gets to speak in an area, it's their territory. Regardless of whether you think that's right or not.

Change my mind.

Conservatives are weak and spineless the moment a lefty makes a charlie kirk joke rather than punching that lefty in the face and going to jail you let the police handle it and cry that jury's feel bad for them.
The right is chalk full of pussies who would rather leave the state to do their violence because they're ultimately the ultimate lemmings to society.
Get mad at me all you like but the right is full of cowards who need liberal approval.

 

[Average Russian Spy]

My biggest crime in this thread that makes people emotional is that I question the mainstream narrative.

People point to Socrates having legitimate reasons for asking questions. You could also point to Charlie Kirk. Regardless who killed Charlie, Socrates and Kirk were both killed for asking questions. People don't want you to ask questions about sensitive issues.

Is this nigga seriously considering himself comparable to bloody Socrates now? You really are a schizophrenic whackjob.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Is this nigga seriously considering himself comparable to bloody Socrates now? You really are a schizophrenic whackjob.

Of course I'm not, I have neither the intelligence or the importance of a socrates.

I'm just a small little lemming idealising the endeavor of asking questions and like anyone idealising anything, falling short of the ideal.

But I'm glad I found another profile picture that makes you angry.

 

[stealthjunk]

The right is chalk full of pussies who would rather leave the state to do their violence because they're ultimately the ultimate lemmings to society.
Get mad at me all you like but the right is full of cowards who need liberal approval.

So there is absolutely some truth to this. Chuds talk a big game, but are colossal pussies when it comes to taking action.

That said, you're being too edgy (like 80% of this forum) in that you aren't considering conservatives have more to actually lose!

 

[Capgras Delusion]

But I'm glad I found another profile picture that makes you angry.

He's literally referring to your post, not your profile picture.

People point to Socrates having legitimate reasons for asking questions. You could also point to Charlie Kirk. Regardless who killed Charlie, Socrates and Kirk were both killed for asking questions.