Charlie Kirk: Aftermath, Gravedancing, and Manhunt

I am a conspiracy guy, but I’m waiting until the trial is over to really dive deep into this one so my opinion isn’t solid yet. It’s not inconceivable to me that there was more behind the scenes and someone powerful wanted Kirk dead, it’s also not inconceivable to me that it was a lunatic radical and the feds jeeted things up making it appear more sketchy that it was. It’s also not inconceivable that there’s more to the story of a lunatic radical, such as multiple lunatics, and that’s being kept on the downlow for opsec reasons.
The biggest point against it being a glowop for me is the why. Why would the glowies want Kirk dead? There’s plenty of other people who I would count as a bigger threat were I a glowie, but we only know what we know and so far I don’t feel like I know enough to make any solid decisions.
The bullet in the neck is the biggest hmmmm for me. I know it’s possible for there to not be an exit wound, but it’s odd for that to happen with that caliber and whenever it’s a big deal something that’s odd yet possible needs a solid explanation to rule out other possibilities such as a second shooter with a different weapon.
One book I highly recommend reading is Fry The Brain by John West. It’s about sniping, and has plenty of examples of sniping operations in history from the IRA to the Middle East to mass shooters and it’s phenomenal at explaining the mechanics and tactics used for all of these. If nothing else you’ll learn how complex both sniping and forensics are, and how due to the nature of sniping a clear picture of these things can sometimes just not exist.
So, I guess all I can do is wait until more information comes out and go from there. But one last thing is that there’s a difference between asking logical questions and just being a retard. When you treat dudes asking actual questions about an event like they’re retards you’re not really helping anything because if you’re correct the evidence should be in your favor. Especially considering the amount of distrust people correctly have surrounding intel agencies and politics questions are the natural response, at least within reason.
 
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Why would the glowies want Kirk dead? There’s plenty of other people who I would count as a bigger threat were I a glowie

Don't know how much of the thread you've read. I'll give the briefest of summaries of possible motives of any larger conspiracy (glowie or otherwise):

Russia - Israel - Military industrial complex
1. He convinced Trump to stop escalation of war against Iran. Anyone wanting that war might want him dead

Zionists - Israel - US Billionaires
2. He built the largest and most influential right wing youth influence organization with zionist donations and then turned on key issues to zionists. He questioned october 8. He was planning to move away from being pro-Israel. There is a year of evidence of him being called antisemitic. The people that funded him might want him dead as revenge and an example to other people that they fund

Activist left - Transgenders
3. Plenty of people on the left wanted him dead. You saw the gravedancing. They responded to his effective efforts on their home turf (universities). We know this was generally a risky thing from people like Steven Crowder who did the same before him, in smaller fashion.

Activist Groyper right - antisemites
4. Though zionists were souring on him, many saw him justifiably as an Israel defender, which until very recently he was his entire career. Charlie Kirk was effective in keeping certain elements on the right from getting too much influence, notably Nick Fuentes. I just haven't seen any activism that they weren't directed to, and Nick himself seems like a fed.
 
Don't know how much of the thread you've read. I'll give the briefest of summaries of possible motives of any larger conspiracy (glowie or otherwise):

Russia - Israel - Military industrial complex
1. He convinced Trump to stop escalation of war against Iran. Anyone wanting that war might want him dead

Zionists - Israel - US Billionaires
2. He built the largest and most influential right wing youth influence organization with zionist donations and then turned on key issues to zionists. He questioned october 8. He was planning to move away from being pro-Israel. There is a year of evidence of him being called antisemitic. The people that funded him might want him dead as revenge and an example to other people that they fund

Activist left - Transgenders
3. Plenty of people on the left wanted him dead. You saw the gravedancing. They responded to his effective efforts on their home turf (universities). We know this was generally a risky thing from people like Steven Crowder who did the same before him, in smaller fashion.

Activist Groyper right - antisemites
4. Though zionists were souring on him, many saw him justifiably as an Israel defender, which until very recently he was his entire career. Charlie Kirk was effective in keeping certain elements on the right from getting too much influence, notably Nick Fuentes. I just haven't seen any activism that they weren't directed to, and Nick himself seems like a fed.
Does anybody suspect an insurgency in the intelligence community against trump and the maga right?

The trump assassination
the Russian collusion investigation
Him firing the cia director
The 2020 election
Them saying iran isn't close to making a nuke in 2025 before being hit(which is objectively wrong)
Them potentially underestimating iran missile capabilities

What yall think?
 
When I said shit was sus after it happened, I was trash and told why some pudgy mouthed faggot that's on the Norwood scale... is totally not a fall guy or groomed by the feds. Tyler's tranny ex should be arrested too. He definitely knew what was up. 2026 is the year of conspiracy theorists. I will wait as well.
 
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Does anybody suspect an insurgency in the intelligence community against trump and the maga right?

The trump assassination
the Russian collusion investigation
Him firing the cia director
The 2020 election
Them saying iran isn't close to making a nuke in 2025 before being hit(which is objectively wrong)
Them potentially underestimating iran missile capabilities

What yall think?

Honestly, with how stuck in a lot of the deep state was and still kinda is, it wouldn't surprise me. They've been undermining him since 2016.
 
(relevant bit starts at 17 minutes)

The court filing shows that the time and date of the discord confession happened after Tyler Robinson was mirandized in custody.

Both are MT time zone.

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So supposedly his discord confession happened 2 and half hours after already being certified to be in custody.

Edit: You know, thinking about this, Kash Patel famously said they caught him in 33 hours. In reality it was in 30 hours. I wonder if picking a number with symbolic meaning means that somewhere down the line they fucked up with a discord fabricated confession time, because if he was caught in 33 hours, the confession time would have been 30 minutes before being captured instead.
 
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With allies like these, why have enemies. That nigger is guilty and he'd do the same to you. They'll then make fun of your widow by peddling baseless conspiracies theories and work with getting the nigger who's guilty off the hook. People wonder why the neocon types keep being able to survive and get their wants put first. When they need to be, they can be loyal and that gets them bombing runs in Iran, while the average guy gets fucked over.
All I can think is that Candace Owens was always going to derail something. At least now it's just the fighting over the scraps of something now of very little consequence. She could have potentially torpedoed something important.
 
The newly released logs about messages from Tyler Robinson suggest he was planning to get himself killed by cop.

Why then didn't he do it?
Why wasn't this released earlier?

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The most reasonable explanation it seems to me that this was the original plan. To have him killed by cops.

You can see that the first documentation, the 12th, was one where Lance supposedly shared texts that would support a suicide by cop situation.

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Whereas the documentation 4 days later, the 16th, is documentation that supports him turning himself in by going through his parents.

It seems to be obvious that Robinson was involved somehow. That this was a way to frame him as the sole perpetrator, and that new documentation had to be made for the evolving narrative as things turned out differently than planned.

And that the original messages were suppressed and not made public to make sure one narrative sticked in people's minds, and you can see the effectiveness of that fedslop narrative in the minds of half the people in this thread.
 
The newly released logs about messages from Tyler Robinson suggest he was planning to get himself killed by cop.

Why then didn't he do it?
Why wasn't this released earlier?

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The final part of the squared paragraph points to why. He talked to his dad and his dad talked him down from it.
 
The final part of the squared paragraph points to why. He talked to his dad and his dad talked him down from it.
That really doesn't explain why it took 4 more days to obtain the messages that fit with the story as it developed (Tyler being talked down by his dad).

And during the prelimenary hearing, the prosecuter said: "The state does not intend to offer evidence obtained through forensic extractions of electronics seized in this case."

So we're supposed to believe that these messages were 100% legit, but then aren't even used in the court case?

This is why it seems to me that they were made in succesive stages to craft the public narrative. One that was ready on the day itself. And another one that they had 4 days to create to deal with the fact that his dad and LDS Bishop talked him out of it.

And why the one they obtained immediately wasn't made public until the court system worked its way, whereas as the one that fit the current narrative was immediately released publically.

 
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The mossad has to have an extremely good reward to offset the risk of failure (which in this case would be catastrophic to Israel relationship with the US)
I don't see why they'd do it. They generally reserve assassination for actual bitter enemies, not some guy who was faintly critical while being mostly pro-Israel. I think it's what it looks like. A crazed tranny-chasing leftist inflamed by extremist rhetoric.

Remember, they deliberately stir up nuts like this in the hopes of one of them killing their enemies.
The bullet in the neck is the biggest hmmmm for me. I know it’s possible for there to not be an exit wound, but it’s odd for that to happen with that caliber and whenever it’s a big deal something that’s odd yet possible needs a solid explanation to rule out other possibilities such as a second shooter with a different weapon.
It was a bungled shot. He just got lucky it hit somewhere else fatal. He was probably aiming for the head or heart/lungs.
 
"Boss we've found the perfect fall guy. An ugly trannyfucker who has been expressing strong anti-Trump views to his family, and grew up using rifles. He's willing to turn himself in too."

"Excellent, how will we get him to take the shot?"

"No, boss he won't actually shoot him, we'll get someone completely different to do that, for reasons."

"I knew jews were smart, perfect!"

@Lemmingwiser this is how you sound sometimes.
 
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"Boss we've found the perfect fall guy. An ugly trannyfucker who has been expressing strong anti-Trump views to his family, and grew up using rifles. He's willing to turn himself in too."

"Excellent, how will we get him to take the shot?"

"No, boss he won't actually shoot him, we'll get someone completely different to do that, for reasons."

"I knew jews were smart, perfect!"

@Lemmingwiser this is how you sound sometimes.

Considering he didn't get himself shot by police/FBI as seems to have been planned, but deviated from whatever was planned, it looks like it makes complete sense not to rely on the rando to fuck up the shooting itself. See also the failed assassinations of Trump.

The whole point of a patsy/fall guy is for someone to take the blame in public perception. But are you really going to hinge the success of your gayop on some retard?

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Anyone have a scribd account? There's the search warrant here that's worth looking at. I can't download it without an account.

 
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Considering he didn't get himself shot by police/FBI as seems to have been planned, but deviated from whatever was planned, it looks like it makes complete sense not to rely on the rando to fuck up the shooting itself. See also the failed assassinations of Trump.

The whole point of a patsy/fall guy is for someone to take the blame in public perception. But are you really going to hinge the success of your op on some retard?
But why would they shoot Charlie separately instead of, you know, letting Robinson kill him?

Admit it, your version of events is retarded.
 
Considering he didn't get himself shot by police/FBI as seems to have been planned, but deviated from whatever was planned, it looks like it makes complete sense not to rely on the rando to fuck up the shooting itself. See also the failed assassinations of Trump.

The whole point of a patsy/fall guy is for someone to take the blame in public perception. But are you really going to hinge the success of your gayop on some retard?

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Anyone have a scribd account? There's the search warrant here that's worth looking at. I can't download it without an account.

It looks like you can screenshot and scroll -- that's what I would do [and de-magnify for whole-page shots].
 
The timeline about the bullet after today's report, as tweeted by sam parker:

1. September 20, 2025. Andrew Kolvet reports that he spoke with the surgeon who worked on Charlie, and famously tweets about the bullet: Charlie's "bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he’s like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too. In the end, the coroner did find the bullet just beneath the skin."

2. October 1 & 2, 2025. Journalist Stephen Gardner reports the following after a conversation with high-level people at TPUSA: the bullet struck Charlie's C2 vertebrae, crushing it, and then traveled downward crushing all vertebrae from C2-C7. The main bullet slug was found lodged in the "meaty part" between C7 & T1, not just beneath the skin as Kolvet tweeted. He says there were additional bullet fragments found, but he doesn't know how many or where. Finally, he says there's no mention of it being .30-06—TPUSA insiders just refer to it as "the bullet."

3. Candace Episode 280, 12/16/25. Candace Owens reports from her meeting with Erika Kirk & Andrew Kolvet that she told Andrew that his tweet seemed fake because it would be a HIPAA violation. Andrew doubles down on the substance of his tweet, insisting that he indeed spoke with the surgeon, and said he had posted the tweet with "full permission." He doesn't acknowledge Stephen Gardner's conflicting report.

4. Candace Episode 281, 12/17/25. Candace reports receiving a tip from someone who knows & spoke with Dr. Lee Trotter directly (the surgeon who operated on Charlie & spoke with Andrew Kolvet): they say Dr. Trotter said no such thing to Andrew about Charlie having a neck of steel. Dr. Trotter is an experienced hunter & knows a lot about bullets. He actually suggested to Andrew that it might have been a frangible round that was used because they're designed to disintegrate & not ricochet. So even after the surgeon told him this, Andrew Kolvet still tweeted that the bullet was stopped by the neck, implying that it ricocheted. Further, this conflicts with the Stephen Gardner report since a frangible round is designed to disintegrate and could not ricochet down and crush through several vertebrae.

(NOTE: We also find out that Dr. Trotter was originally blocked from going back into the operating room to clean up Charlie's body by federal agents, and was only able to regain access to the body after he made a call to someone with high-up political influence in DC. The obvious implication is that there could have been tampering during this interval. We also know all hospital camera footage was seized by the FBI.)

5. Candace Episode 283, 12/19/25. Candace reports that according to further tips she's received from someone who's spoken directly with Dr. Lee Trotter, the call Trotter had with Andrew Kolvet back in September was actually a 3-way call with Erika Kirk! So Dr. Trotter had told both Erika & Andrew that it might have been a frangible round. This is why the call wasn't a HIPAA violation. And this is how Andrew had "full permission" to tweet what he did: it was under Erika's approval! Neither Erika or Andrew fess up to this, and it's left for Andrew to take the brunt of the blame for the inconsistencies.

In any case, conflicting stories have eemerged from TPUSA: a high velocity round that was found just beneath the skin, stopped by Charlie's neck of steel; and a round that destroyed Charlie's entire neck and became lodged in the muscle. Both can't be true, and both ignore the alleged theory of Dr. Trotter, allegedly told to Erika & Andrew, that it was a frangible round.

6. March 30, 2026. News breaks after a Tyler Robinson defense filing says that the "Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives 'was unable to identify the bullet recovered at autopsy to the rifle allegedly tied to Mr Robinson.'"

7. April 15, 2026 (See Attached Below). The ATF's report summary is made public. A frangible round seems to be ruled out as the findings pattern is more consistent with a traditional jacketed lead rifle bullet that has fragmented after impact, rather than a purpose-built frangible round.

Findings:
▪️.30-caliber class deformed/damaged bullet jacket fragment
▪️Four lead fragments
▪️Inability to conclusively match the jacket fragment to the rifle
▪️Cannot conclusively exclude the alleged murder weapon, nor several other potential guns, either
▪️Fragments not suitable for microscopic comparison
▪️The FBI wants to do further testing and the defense wants to witness this testing, but the FBI is refusing.

FRANGIBLE/NOT FRANGIBLE?

Frangible rounds are typically made from compressed metal powder (often copper/tin), and are designed to disintegrate into many small particles, usually with no intact “jacket” remaining. The report specifically identifies a distinct bullet jacket fragment, which implies a jacketed projectile, not a sintered frangible design.

The presence of separate lead fragments also points toward a lead-core bullet, which frangible rounds generally do not use in that form.

In contrast, what you’d expect from a frangible round:

Dozens to hundreds of tiny granular fragments, no clear jacket/core separation, and often less recoverable mass in large pieces.

Furthermore, the cartridges are not described as frangible rounds by the report, which repeatedly specifies:

▪️.30-06 Springfield caliber cartridges
▪️Remington headstamp

IOW, standard cartridges

Why this matters:

▪️Commercial .30-06 Remington ammunition is overwhelmingly conventional (FMJ, soft point, hunting loads, etc.).
▪️Frangible .30-06 does exist, but it is specialty ammunition and is typically clearly labeled as such.
▪️The report does not mention frangible construction, sintered materials, or disintegration behavior typical of frangible rounds.




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