Charging your EV at night is about to become more expensive - Overnight charging has always been a perk of EV ownership, but what happens when it becomes too expensive to power up in your driveway at night?

By ANDREW J. HAWKINS
Sep 22, 2022, 4:29 PM UTC

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Electric vehicle charging stations in New York City are often inside paid parking lots. Photo by Amelia Holowaty Krales / The Verge

One of the perks of electric vehicle ownership is charging your car overnight while parked in your driveway at home. Electricity demand is usually low, so rates are fairly cheap, making it both convenient and affordable for many people. But that’s about to change as more people buy EVs and the demand for overnight charging begins to rise, according to a new study published today.

The study, which was conducted by a team at Stanford University and published in Nature Energy, found that increasing EV ownership in the western US could lead to peak net electricity demand increases by up to 25 percent by 2035, the year California has said it would ban the sale of gas-powered cars and trucks.

increasing EV ownership in the western US could lead to peak net electricity demand increases by up to 25 percent by 2035

That demand could rise to as much as 50 percent under a “stress test” scenario where every vehicle on the road is a plug-in model, the team concludes. More demand translates into higher prices, which means the glory days of cheap overnight charging may be coming to an end.

To better prepare for a future with more EVs, the study’s authors recommend vehicle owners do more daytime charging, either at work or at public charging stations. This becomes especially important as more renewable sources of power generation come online, including solar and wind power.

“In the future grid with higher renewable generation, timing is more important and net demand tells a very different story than total demand,” the study reads. “Shifting drivers from home to daytime charging improves all metrics of grid impact including ramping, use of non-fossil fuel generation, storage requirements, and emissions. This insight is robust across varying levels of EV adoption.”

To be sure, this is not just a California problem, even though the state has the highest number of registered EVs on the road today — around 1 million plug-in models, or about 6 percent of total vehicles.

“All states may need to rethink electricity pricing structures as their EV charging needs increase and their grid changes,” said Siobhan Powell, lead author of the study, in an email.

Getting more drivers in the US to switch to plug-in power is seen as crucial in reducing pollution, reducing carbon emissions, and fighting climate change. But many challenges lie ahead. EVs are more expensive than gas-powered models and, for now, harder to find. The charging infrastructure in the US is unreliable and seen as a barrier to broader adoption of EVs. And the materials that are needed for lithium-ion batteries are in high demand, leading to supply chain problems.

The Biden administration has identified charging as a unique challenge, funneling billions of dollars into projects across the country to install more chargers, including DC fast chargers that can charge an EV in much less time than typical Level 2 chargers. Much less focus has been put on proper grid management, which will become more of an issue as EV sales continue to go up.

Demand charges from utility companies, for example, tend to dominate charging companies’ operating costs, further complicating the business case for building more charging stations. The total cost of electricity is higher based on the level of charging they provide. These calculations need to be rethought if the government wants to incentivize the EV charging industry.

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The funny part is that they're either gonna burn more fossil fuels to make that electricity or they're just not gonna power it at all because renewable energy is a meme and won't be able to keep up with the heavily increased demand.
 
The funny part is that they're either gonna burn more fossil fuels to make that electricity or they're just not gonna power it at all because renewable energy is a meme and won't be able to keep up with the heavily increased demand.
They'll just make another fossil fuel power plant across state lines. There used to be a coal power plant in Laughlin, Nevada. It didn't generate power for the locals, everything it produced was for California. They built it there due to environmental restrictions. Wouldn't be surprised if they start doing shit like that again.
 
EVs are more expensive than gas-powered models and, for now, harder to find. The charging infrastructure in the US is unreliable and seen as a barrier to broader adoption of EVs. And the materials that are needed for lithium-ion batteries are in high demand, leading to supply chain problems.
Why the fuck would anyone actually buy an electric car? The EV grift is so fucking retarded.

If this was actually about the environment they'd be pushing shit like diesel/electric or ethanol/electric hybrids. Diesel can be made out of literally any kind of waste oil, even vegetable oil. Ethanol is renewable and can be derived from plants. Either fuel coupled with an electric motor would drastically reduce emissions and burdens on electrical infrastructure.
 
Why the fuck would anyone actually buy an electric car? The EV grift is so fucking retarded.

If this was actually about the environment they'd be pushing shit like diesel/electric or ethanol/electric hybrids. Diesel can be made out of literally any kind of waste oil, even vegetable oil. Ethanol is renewable and can be derived from plants. Either fuel coupled with an electric motor would drastically reduce emissions and burdens on electrical infrastructure.
EVs only make sense if you're daily stuck in gridlock someplace where the weather is mild. Everything else is just fairy stories to suck off that demographic.
 
Fossil fuels?! B-b-b-but I bought a electric vehicle, chud!

It runs on environmentally-friendly magic pixies that come from the wall outlet.
"NOOOOO YOU'RE KILLING GAIA! IT'S NOT FAIR THAT YOU HAVE PERSONAL TRANSPORTATION!"

"Haha car go vroom vroom"
 
They'll just make another fossil fuel power plant across state lines. There used to be a coal power plant in Laughlin, Nevada. It didn't generate power for the locals, everything it produced was for California. They built it there due to environmental restrictions. Wouldn't be surprised if they start doing shit like that again.
Honestly, that sounds like a good way to make money as far as I'm concerned.
 
Then there's always the simple solution of really beefing up public transportation...
public transportation doesn't need a beefing up, it needs an ethnic cleansing. It all runs fine as is, but normal people don't want to be attacked on it, sold drugs, asked for drugs, or sit in piss.
 
public transportation doesn't need a beefing up, it needs an ethnic cleansing. It all runs fine as is, but normal people don't want to be attacked on it, sold drugs, asked for drugs, or sit in piss.
Niggers are the living embodiment of the 80/20 (or 87/13, I suppose) rule. Nearly every single issue this country faces would be far simpler and cheaper to deal with if we didn't have to account for them and their diverse, enriching culture.
 
Honestly, that sounds like a good way to make money as far as I'm concerned.
I'm not arguing that; but California's self-righteous bullshit about how great they are is what grinds me. Moving shit across state lines then peacocking about how you're 0 carbon or whatever. Nah, you're a hypocritical fuckwad, and so I have to hate you.
 
Look, dumb western hippies, I know how you are and how you operate. I am from a place where tweakers weld monster trucks, swamp buggies, and pull tractors in their shed. I think I can make a "perpetual range pack" you can tow for ~$30K:
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Lots of options to mount fuel tanks on that frame. Semi trucks use tanks we could adapt without modification. If you pay sticker price I'll even paint it green and stencil on whatever hippy-dippy slogan you want on it.
 
Why the fuck would anyone actually buy an electric car? The EV grift is so fucking retarded.

If this was actually about the environment they'd be pushing shit like diesel/electric or ethanol/electric hybrids. Diesel can be made out of literally any kind of waste oil, even vegetable oil. Ethanol is renewable and can be derived from plants. Either fuel coupled with an electric motor would drastically reduce emissions and burdens on electrical infrastructure.
Because they want more power and want to put their heel over the 99% forever.
 
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