Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry

[Jonah Hill poster]

I still think Encanto was made to subtly imply that people of Hispanic and Latin descent look and sound stupid, where as Coco was made to embrace them for who they really are, and thought that it was OK for them to be different.

 

[PhoninHomer23]

I don't get it. Isn't this what always eventually happened before everything was streamed? If your cartoon didn't make it into syndication or reruns once it was canceled that was that. You just moved on to a new project. And a lot of projects never even got to the pilot stage. What are these people bitching about?

The 80s was a time where it was called the 'dark ages' for a reasons. It was just based off of toys or already existing properties since nobody thought original material would sell well.

 

[Counterfeit Obol]

It was just based off of toys or already existing properties since nobody thought original material would sell well.

Does this mean we're currently in a new Dark Ages when it comes to media?

 

[PhoninHomer23]

Does this mean we're currently in a new Dark Ages when it comes to media?

Provided if we get another animation strike. If anyone has the balls to go on said strike.

 

[Crybaby Xianghua]

I still think Encanto was made to subtly imply that people of Hispanic and Latin descent look and sound stupid, where as Coco was made to embrace them for who they really are, and thought that it was OK for them to be different.

Also, Coco and The Book of Life had much more visually appealing art styles of Latino cultures, while Encanto's art style looks like racist caricatures from early 20th century era cartoons. I wonder if that was intentional or not on Disney's part when making Encanto?

On a similar film, am I the only one who thinks the art for Turning Red looks like anti-Asian WWII propaganda cartoons, more than it does anime? I bet that was unintentional, if anything.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Also, Coco and The Book of Life had much more visually appealing art styles of Latino cultures, while Encanto's art style looks like racist caricatures from early 20th century era cartoons. I wonder if that was intentional or not on Disney's part when making Encanto?

It's totally okay because the woman who wrote the screenplay, Charise Castro Smith, is Cuban-American and totally doesn't look like Mirabel.

 

[Crybaby Xianghua]

It's totally okay because the woman who wrote the screenplay, Charise Castro Smith, is Cuban-American and totally doesn't look like Mirabel.
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This is proof why hiring so-called "talent" off of hack sites like Tumblr, Twitter, and Tiktok, is such a horrific mistake.

 

[Colon capital V]

On a similar film, am I the only one who thinks the art for Turning Red looks like anti-Asian WWII propaganda cartoons, more than it does anime? I bet that was unintentional, if anything.

If you were caught drawing characters that looked like the ones from Turning Red or Soul, you would not hear the end of it from twitmobs and journo-stations

 

[GGnoob1890]

Provided if we get another animation strike. If anyone has the balls to go on said strike.

Considering how much shit the industry gets away with at the moment? It's gonna take a hell of a lot of mass animator deaths/suicides angry moms before the industry becomes bankrupt enough swallows its pride.

On a similar film, am I the only one who thinks the art for Turning Red looks like anti-Asian WWII propaganda cartoons, more than it does anime? I bet that was unintentional, if anything.

Turning Red looks more like a lame duck than anything remotely anime.
Not to mention Turning Red's narrative was more like anti-9/11 pro-Islam propaganda. I stg none of these creators for the film did any post-2001 research.

It's totally okay because the woman who wrote the screenplay, Charise Castro Smith, is Cuban-American and totally doesn't look like Mirabel.
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People really need to stop self-inserting into media. It's super cringe. Remember when main characters were supposed to relatable?
(Also that woman looks like she suffered a partial-face stroke in that image. Could they have not took a more flattering photo?)

If you were caught drawing characters that looked like the ones from Turning Red or Soul, you would not hear the end of it from twitmobs and journo-stations

I'm tired of seeing kidney bean blob-mouth two-dimensional cartoons. This art style needs to die out quickly.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

(Also that woman looks like she suffered a partial-face stroke in that image. Could they have not took a more flattering photo?)

She naturally looks like that.



And here she is with glasses:

Also she did not come from a background of animation. Why the fuck are they hiring people who don't know anything about animation to work on animated movies and such?

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

And here she is with glasses:
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Also she did not come from a background of animation. Why the fuck are they hiring people who don't know anything about animation to work on animated movies and such?

She almost looks like Fred Armisen



Ugly Betty, she is not.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Encanto sucked.

 

[Pastel]

I genuinely disliked Encanto. It's exactly the same moral as Turning Red, and Turning Red made a better story out of it. Encanto felt like a diversity pander, and Mirabel's character was a huge let down. So her power is...... Therapy? She just talked out her feelings and made it all better? No, that doesn't fly with me. In my opinion, they should have given her a power, which would have symbolically included her in the family. Instead, the movie ends exactly as it began but everyone has just had a little chat in the middle. They could have had her power be something mundane like "making people tell the truth about their thoughts/feelings" and it still would have felt more organic and redeeming. Instead, the movie was basically like "generational trauma BAD but look at these black and brown people!!" I wouldn't watch it again.
Meanwhile Turning Red, while it had its flaws, handles its story in layers. Oh, a teenage girl has to understand how to regulate her own emotions while simultaneously learning her family is full of emotional abusers? That's far more in-depth than Encanto. You couldn't help but feel for her mother when we see her as a child, crying, when our character realizes this goes deeper than just her own mother. And realizes something must change.
Turning Red is a better movie and I quite liked it. Encanto was a disappointment that revolved around hair type and let our main character down.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I genuinely disliked Encanto. It's exactly the same moral as Turning Red, and Turning Red made a better story out of it. Encanto felt like a diversity pander, and Mirabel's character was a huge let down. So her power is...... Therapy? She just talked out her feelings and made it all better? No, that doesn't fly with me. In my opinion, they should have given her a power, which would have symbolically included her in the family. Instead, the movie ends exactly as it began but everyone has just had a little chat in the middle. They could have had her power be something mundane like "making people tell the truth about their thoughts/feelings" and it still would have felt more organic and redeeming. Instead, the movie was basically like "generational trauma BAD but look at these black and brown people!!" I wouldn't watch it again.

I just want one of these types of stories where the character who just spent the whole story getting shit on by their family goes "You know what? Fuck you. You guys are assholes." and doesn't forgive them.

 

[NoReturn]

Shit, I remember watching that Tangled series with some of my younger cousins while babysitting and enjoyed it quite a bit. Glad he's getting work despite/in addition to Twitter spergs getting mad about it

Disney just uploaded the entire first season to their YouTube channel. Don't know how long it will stay up, though.

Warner Bros is pulling off a lot of shows from HBO max, and Cartoon Network shows are the ones that are getting hit the most. Let me play the world's smallest violin to the weeb artist who's own 'show' is one of them getting pulled, which is nothing more than him ripping off slayers to saying 'look at me! I can be like steven universe too!!"
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Of these I only saw Close Enough and Infinity Train, but not the last seasons of either. Did I miss anything good?

> sees Coco

Oh c’mon, i actually thought Coco was really good. I’ve rewatched it a few times and have only grown to respect it more each time.

The soundtrack is great, the visuals are gorgeous, and the story was solid. I honestly thought the “generational trauma“ aspect of the film was handled a lot better than in Encanto (mainly the long-term effects, Alma in Encanto was still alive and well, whereas Imelda and a good portion of her immediate family were already long-dead).

Also, say what you will about the twist, but I personally really liked Ernesto as a villain. I actually consider him to be one of Pixar’s best villains due to how fucking scary he is imo - scary in the sense that he very nearly won. I also gotta give Pixar props here for actually having the balls to show a character legitimately die on screen

(characters like Muntz falling to their death don’t count as we don’t actually see them die. But in Coco we see Hector ingest the poisoned drink, keel over, collapse, and die in the street. Like holy shit, that was dark as hell. I genuinely wasn’t expecting that when I first watched it.)

Overall I consider Coco to be one of the last truly good Pixar films. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not perfect, but I definitely wouldn’t put it in the same category as Luca or Turning Red. It probably helps that Lee Unkrich directed it (same guy who directed most of the Toy Story films, Monsters Inc/University, Finding Nemo and a few others).

The reprise/daddy version of Recuérdame ripped my heart out and stomped on it and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

They never made it up to me, not because they didn't want to, they really did but how do you make up multiple little and big moments of stress and weirdness that went on years? I have no idea so we just moved on to better things because that is something we can do.

This, honestly.
Apologies come easy sometimes, but not others, some people struggle to give them or accept them, but when it comes down to it, what's the intended function? If you're going to stay a family, and you know the behavior is bad, it means more to take action.

 

[GGnoob1890]

I genuinely disliked Encanto. It's exactly the same moral as Turning Red, and Turning Red made a better story out of it. Encanto felt like a diversity pander, and Mirabel's character was a huge let down. So her power is...... Therapy? She just talked out her feelings and made it all better? No, that doesn't fly with me. In my opinion, they should have given her a power, which would have symbolically included her in the family. Instead, the movie ends exactly as it began but everyone has just had a little chat in the middle. They could have had her power be something mundane like "making people tell the truth about their thoughts/feelings" and it still would have felt more organic and redeeming. Instead, the movie was basically like "generational trauma BAD but look at these black and brown people!!" I wouldn't watch it again.
Meanwhile Turning Red, while it had its flaws, handles its story in layers. Oh, a teenage girl has to understand how to regulate her own emotions while simultaneously learning her family is full of emotional abusers? That's far more in-depth than Encanto. You couldn't help but feel for her mother when we see her as a child, crying, when our character realizes this goes deeper than just her own mother. And realizes something must change.
Turning Red is a better movie and I quite liked it. Encanto was a disappointment that revolved around hair type and let our main character down.

I hate both Encanto and Turning Red. None of them hold a candle to the older Pixar movies, and Tarzan/Brother Bear/Big Hero 6/Mulan/The Princess & the Frog/Lilo & Stitch/Meet The Robinsons/Wolfwalkers/etc, (need I go on?) did a lot better of a job dealing with family love than either of the two movies.

Spoiler: Massive Sperg Rant

Encanto was dumb pointless. Cinema Sins did a good job pointing out that despite Mirabel not having any powers, the house could've literally just gave her a room. There wasn't a rule that said you had to have magical powers to get a room. (Do the families that marry into the magic family get a special room or powers when they marry in? No? Yes? Who cares! Lookit teh Diversity! ) Honestly, it was a flimsy plot point, and the family should've at least tried to do better and change their ways after the Grandma apologizes.

Why was Mirabel singled out anyways? It's not like the house ran out of magic pixie dust since clearly the 5 year-old animal whisperer got powers. It just makes the house look like a major dick. (Honestly, Mirabel's powers could've so easily been an Empath or something. She was essentially the family 'glue' so why didn't they just give her that power?)

Turning Red was clearly just a piss poor attempt at writing a Mary Sue self-insert while disguising it as a Disney movie with anime action tropes. It was like watching a movie from the POV of an delusional ADHD emotionally unstable child. Cringe af.

So the family's panda form gets bigger the more emotion they've repressed, yet no one does anything about it? (Well, other than repress it into a trinket so it can't escape. Which really isn't a healthy emotional coping strategy). Also, the protagonist really seemed to have major beef with her mom towards the end; plenty happy to try beating the shit out of her furry kaiju mother (by ping-ponging all over the place and managing to get a lucky hit/KO combo.) And also suddenly turns into a sage of wisdom near the end of the movie, spouting out advice about life to her mother despite only being a flipping 12-year old.

Call me cold-hearted, but I held zero sympathy for the mother in the end scene when we see her as a traumatized kid. Like, yeah her life sucked as a child and that's totally on the grandmother; but why the fuck should I feel sorry for her now? She literally made her own life choices, and yeah she kinda feels bad about letting her temper get the best of her, but nothing was changed other than everyone realized the family can't force their relative to hide being a furry if she chooses not to. (Shouldn't people be more concerned that magic is real and there are dangerous furries running amok? In public? )

Honestly, I'm glad people can get some enjoyment from those types of movies; but I personally will never find them as good as other shows or movies Disney/Pixar has made in the past.
Pixar has fallen from grace, and until it is weeded of all the degenerates who rely on nostalgia bait to sell a movie, it will be a long time until I enjoy a movie from them again.

I just want one of these types of stories where the character who just spent the whole story getting shit on by their family goes "You know what? Fuck you. You guys are assholes." and doesn't forgive them.

Fuck yesssss. I would love too see that too. We need a movie where the narrative doesn't coddle the viewer. (Fucking Spies in Disguise is a prime example of such bullshit). Family can be shitty to each other, and that should be shown without it being portrayed as something that can be completely remedied. (What good is 'I'm sorry' without following up and trying to correct your mistake/do better? It's abuse.)

Gimme a 'Found Family' movie, where the protagonist finds their own supportive friends and they adopt them into their family, anytime over such sugary sweet 'family is everything' narratives.

Of these I only saw Close Enough and Infinity Train, but not the last seasons of either. Did I miss anything good?

Last season of Infinity Train felt more like it should've been Season 3 instead of 4. It was decent, but was also about 2 gay guys from the 70's/80's in Canada, and one of them was Korean and the other was a complete egotistical Asian/Japanese asshole. The companion creature was like a worse version of Dory from Finding Nemo with less limbs, and the show cranked the horror/close brush with death up a bit.
The new train cars were interesting, and there was a teensy bit of lore dump, but nothing too crucial since it takes place long before the other seasons in the timeline.

 

[PhoninHomer23]

I didn't even see Encanto. From what I've gathered it just sounded like 'spanish X-men'. What is it with Disney pushing the 'toxic families' in their movies? This being one of them. It just sounds favoritism plays for a lot of everyone in this movie.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

What is it with Disney pushing the 'toxic families' in their movies? This being one of them

Many of the "creators" (who came in through nepotism) in Disney are just using animation to bitch about their personal lives and have "call out posts" to their families who "wronged" them or didn't support them enough. These movies all come off as therapy sessions from self-centered manchildren who were angry at their parents for daring to try being parents (or maybe lack of good parenting, who knows). They suffer from "main character syndrome" and pretend their lives were more interesting than they actually are, or in some cases, apply their power fantasies (e.g., going to prom, being openly "queer" as a kid) to feel validated about themselves.

At least with Inside Out, Pete Docter took inspiration from when he noticed his eldest daughter's behavior changing as she became more introverted in her adolescence.

Oh yeah, worth mentioning that Pixar's work environment back in the glory days had this "we're family, bros" vibe and approach according to behind-the-scenes footage and commentary (they had once allowed a chimpanzee to roam the halls, which you can see in the Monsters, Inc. behind-the-scenes, because they thought the idea was funny to have one there and act like it was always there). So many people there were/are married which is why they'd have the production babies list in their credits, and they'd just talk about home life and seek each other out for advice and such. Was just bros helping out bros.

Bet you that's now changed ever since #MeToo happened and more women in animation started to complain about the work environment. It's quite possible no one's actually making friends or small talk in Pixar anymore, and it would explain why it is character interaction in these modern movies feel so weird and alien. They don't have the life/people experience to make for interesting characters, all they have to go off of are the movies and cartoons they grew up with in an era where everyone has become self-aware about tropes in media and think they're clever enough to mess around with them in "subversive" ways.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

I just want one of these types of stories where the character who just spent the whole story getting shit on by their family goes "You know what? Fuck you. You guys are assholes." and doesn't forgive them.

Problem is that would easily come across very unsatisfactory. Can work on an adult drama just fine where more open ended and/or tragic stuff is part of the appeal. Something kinda like the ending of Gone with the wind. Coming to conclusion I won't forgive is pretty boring to most people because it's too easy. It's so easy to stay angry, not change or forgive. Usually it's a more satisfying experience to find a solution than come to a conclusion it can't be done.

Also I have other hand wanted see a story where someone says "what you did is unforgivable" and the other person takes their word on it and immediately stops trying seek forgiveness or make things right. I think you could get funny interactions afterwards when the first character is still stuck on it because they expected hold power by withholding the forgiveness but other just doesn't want to waiste time on the impossible. If you have made if your mind then that's that.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Problem is that would easily come across very unsatisfactory. Can work on an adult drama just fine where more open ended and/or tragic stuff is part of the appeal. Something kinda like the ending of Gone with the wind. Coming to conclusion I won't forgive is pretty boring to most people because it's too easy. It's so easy to stay angry, not change or forgive. Usually it's a more satisfying experience to find a solution than come to a conclusion it can't be done.

Would it truly be worse than the hundred and fiftieth rendition of "We're a family and family sticks together!!" though? Gone With the Wind works because the story and the events within are an actual tragedy and not just a bunch of petty melodrama bullshit like modern Disney and Pixar do.

Also I have other hand wanted see a story where someone says "what you did is unforgivable" and the other person takes their word on it and immediately stops trying seek forgiveness or make things right. I think you could get funny interactions afterwards when the first character is still stuck on it because they expected hold power by withholding the forgiveness but other just doesn't want to waiste time on the impossible. If you have made if your mind then that's that.

I actually really really like that idea, would work great as a comedy.