🐷 The Killstream General Discussion Thread - Discuss Ethan Ralph's stagnant Killstream and his appearances on other shows.

[Capt. Jean Luc Ritard]

9th step Ralph would be an amazing arc

 

[SargonF00t]

Would AA work for someone as despicable in character like Ralph?

I've always thought that sure you don't need to be an angel to get over a serious addiction, but if you are a real piece of shit, you just won't have what it takes to quit whatever is ailing you.

 

[PyrrhicRustle]

It’s not for everyone but that total surrender of ego, and group community, is exactly what some people need to get sober.

Problem is that if Ralph surrendered his ego there’d be nothing left.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Would AA work for someone as despicable in character like Ralph?

I've always thought that sure you don't need to be an angel to get over a serious addiction, but if you are a real piece of shit, you just won't have what it takes to quit whatever is ailing you.

Ralph would only use AA as a prime opportunity to talk about himself to a captive audience. He’s the guy impatiently waiting for others to stfu about their dead wife or cancer so he can get back to talking about himself and trying to one up anyone else’s stories.

Ralph is also incredibly stupid but thinks he’s really smart.

Problem is that if Ralph surrendered his ego there’d be nothing left.

100%, that’s the easiest way to summarize it.

Thankfully for KF Ralph’s shallowness, vileness and stupidity make his downward spiral hilarious instead of sad.

 

[gaystoner]

At the expense of his family...Ralph can at least order coffee delivery for 50% off compared to America.

 

[Garth]

It weirds me out a bit, personally.

If I may be so bold, I assume you are not, nor have you ever been an addict. I mean rock bottom, would suck dicks for a fix addict. AA is not perfect, but it does provide community and most importantly, support from people going through, or who have gone through the same. If you are not a Christian, then you simply appeal to a "higher power". It is about finding humility and realizing you need help. Many addicts begin by believing they're the exception to the rule: they won't and can't get hooked. They would never rob their employer, steal from a family member, or prostitute themselves. Then, before you know it, you're alone, surrounded by the walking dead, and trying to find that next fix by any means necessary. If you relinquish your ego, AA/NA can save you, but you have to do the work.

To get back on topic, this is why Ralph will fail: he won't do the work, he won't accept help, and his ego is all he has. If he does attend AA, he won't make it past Step 4.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

If I may be so bold, I assume you are not, nor have you ever been an addict. I mean rock bottom, would suck dicks for a fix addict.

I’m addicted to cigarettes and coffee. I have a job, so I haven’t had to suck dicks to get them.

AA is not perfect, but it does provide community and most importantly, support from people going through, or who have gone through the same. If you are not a Christian, then you simply appeal to a "higher power". It is about finding humility and realizing you need help.

I see it as replacing the addiction with another. Like I said, if it works for people, ok. But personally, I wouldn’t think it was ok to make demands of God, or to swap a test of will for a test of faith.

Let’s say I took my daughters’ college fund and went all-in on a shitcoin. Would it be fair for me to then say, “It’s up to God if he wants my daughter to go to college”?

Many addicts begin by believing they're the exception to the rule: they won't and can't get hooked. They would never rob their employer, steal from a family member, or prostitute themselves. Then, before you know it, you're alone, surrounded by the walking dead, and trying to find that next fix by any means necessary. If you relinquish your ego, AA/NA can save you, but you have to do the work.

“You have to do the work” is a way to hand-wave away the recidivism that still exists after invoking God to intercede personally in the lives of these people admittedly consumed by ego, denial, etc.

We could skip that step and end up back at the same place.. it’s your personal responsibility that decides the matter.

To get back on topic, this is why Ralph will fail: he won't do the work, he won't accept help, and his ego is all he has. If he does attend AA, he won't make it past Step 4.

Agree with this part

 

[Pastikka]

There is no hope of recovery because all the AA in the world can't stop him from taking a little peek at KF to see what all the haydurs are saying about x and then he will be back at it, trying to medicate his narcissism. Not that I'm buying his recent contrition, not when he is on twitter at 3am getting dunked on by Dawson. Come the fuck on.

 

[TJBirish]

Taking him at his (dubious) word for a moment, the problem is that there are only a couple of in person meeting each week at 5:30 or 7PM. And there are a few more on Zoom (which is what Ralph would do IMO) at the same time. That's prime streaming time for him. Although he could try an online community like In The Rooms, which has meetings online all day.

I don't see how someone just starting would get anything out of an online meeting tho.

 

[Wine em Dine em 69 em]

A suggestion for the Books That Ralph Will Never Read Club, anything by Dostoyevsky, especially Brothers Karamazov. Everything he needs to know about sin and redemption is there. Its free on audible, unabridged, I’d go with the Frederick Davidson narration.
Taking a look at DFW, he wrote many articles as well, might take a look at those.
And Ralph, to reiterate what others are saying, if you do manage to stay sober for at least 6 months, you may be brave enough to get a diagnosis for whatever mental condition plagues you. I suspect it’s more of a hefty dose of the womanly BPD because your personality is repugnant to behold in a man and is usually seen in Beauty Parlour cows.
Dostoevsky, Ralph. 24/7, in your ears.

 

[FiveStarAce]

Taking him at his (dubious) word for a moment, the problem is that there are only a couple of in person meeting each week at 5:30 or 7PM. And there are a few more on Zoom (which is what Ralph would do IMO) at the same time. That's prime streaming time for him. Although he could try an online community like In The Rooms, which has meetings online all day.

I don't see how someone just starting would get anything out of an online meeting tho.

I Cracked the code: His "meeting" is a groyper Chatroom.

 

[Hüftpriester]

With AA I expect you get what you put into it.
The late great prophet Bill Hicks (pbuh) went to AA meetings in every city he had shows. If it’s good enough for him, it’s probably too good for a Ralph.
Hang on, maybe that’s why Bill went so often, for material. Imagine RagePig walks in to a meeting.

Bill was highly intelligent and self aware. Ralph....not so much.

There are people who need AA and Ralph is one of them. But he doesn't have enough impulse control to stay sober for an extended period of time. I give him until the next big wrasslin' event.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I’m addicted to cigarettes and coffee. I have a job, so I haven’t had to suck dicks to get them.

Right, so you don’t understand the reality of someone who’s life it totally controlled and destroyed by addiction.

I see it as replacing the addiction with another. Like I said, if it works for people, ok. But personally, I wouldn’t think it was ok to make demands of God, or to swap a test of will for a test of faith.

Let’s say I took my daughters’ college fund and went all-in on a shitcoin. Would it be fair for me to then say, “It’s up to God if he wants my daughter to go to college”?

An addiction must be replaced by something, AA fills that void for some, exercise for others, gardening, pet rescue, etc.. The founder of AA said he only remained sober because he replaced drinking with helping other alcoholics like himself to get sober.

If you put your daughter’s college fund on shitcoin then you’re a gambling addict and need to give your control of all finances to your wife, not god. Fundamentally it’s about accepting one’s total loss of control.

The focus on admitting and accepting one has no control is appealing to addicts who have actually lost all control.

Ralph thinks he’s in total control. I mean he’s told us he just stopped drinking and will be tapered off Xanax in a week or two. Ralphamale is in total control. He’s in the drivers seat! He really is different from all those other addicts and drunks dontcha know! Ralph is always the exception to the rule.

For most 34 year old men getting a mentally ill teen girl pregnant is a terrible idea, but Ralph knew better. Ralph knew it was true love and she was prime breeding age! Just look at how well it all turned out. Then people said getting another mentally ill girlfriend pregnant was a terrible idea and Ralph should get his own life straightened out before trying to pay house with weird anime fangirl. Just look at Ralph now living his best life hiding out in Mexico alone, in a room filled with empties, lying about sobriety while begging for money to survive.

A suggestion for the Books That Ralph Will Never Read Club, anything by Dostoyevsky, especially Brothers Karamazov. Everything he needs to know about sin and redemption is there. Its free on audible, unabridged, I’d go with the Frederick Davidson narration.
Taking a look at DFW, he wrote many articles as well, might take a look at those.
And Ralph, to reiterate what others are saying, if you do manage to stay sober for at least 6 months, you may be brave enough to get a diagnosis for whatever mental condition plagues you. I suspect it’s more of a hefty dose of the womanly BPD because your personality is repugnant to behold in a man and is usually seen in Beauty Parlour cows.
Dostoevsky, Ralph. 24/7, in your ears.

You can add every book to that list. Cliff Notes is the most a Ralphamale could ever handle and even that’s too many words.

Reading all 1116 pages of this thread is by far Ralph’s greatest feat of continuous reading.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Right, so you don’t understand the reality of someone who’s life it totally controlled and destroyed by addiction.

Nor do I care to. I’m not someone who believes in wasting resources on shit with 90%+ recidivism in an effort to derail natural selection. The genes that allow people to be stupid enough to get addicted to things that are life-destroying ought to perish, and we don’t even have to do it proactively.. we can just let it happen and not blow $750 on narcan every time one of them gets close.

Power level: I used to drive for rideshare platforms as a hobby and side gig before I got married. That experience destroyed any sympathy I could ever have for addicts.

Nobody really knows the SCALE of it. Half the fares I’d get would be to transport junkies from one facility to another. One time picked up a fire captain from a bar and he unloaded on me while I took him home. He said he literally hadn’t been on a call for an actual fire in three years, it was all od’s.

 

[Elmo]

Ralph, if you're reading this:

Check out SMART Recovery. It's a more secular version of AA that doesn't observe the "powerlessness" or spirituality of AA.

 

[Wine em Dine em 69 em]

Nor do I care to. I’m not someone who believes in wasting resources on shit with 90%+ recidivism in an effort to derail natural selection. The genes that allow people to be stupid enough to get addicted to things that are life-destroying ought to perish, and we don’t even have to do it proactively.. we can just let it happen and not blow $750 on narcan every time one of them gets close.

Power level: I used to drive for rideshare platforms as a hobby and side gig before I got married. That experience destroyed any sympathy I could ever have for addicts.

Nobody really knows the SCALE of it. Half the fares I’d get would be to transport junkies from one facility to another. One time picked up a fire captain from a bar and he unloaded on me while I took him home. He said he literally hadn’t been on a call for an actual fire in three years, it was all od’s.

I kinda get it, I’ve been on grand juries where 90% of the cases were repeat DUIs and drug possession. Not exaggerating.
How do you get a DUI and continue drinking? Sure you get a slap on the wrist and court hassles etc because there’s not enough jails for all the alcoholics who drive, so it is possible to keep doing it. I mean as a human being, to hold your head up for your own damn self and say enough is enough, I don’t want to be that piece of shit drunk driver putting everyone else in danger because I’m a fucking loser.

Let’s ask an alcoholic who has been locked up multiple times, lost two kids and two babymamas in rapid succession, too many court cases to count, and almost beaten to death because of his drinking.
As an adult, Ralph, especially after the second DUI, why didn’t you get sober and stay that way? And then the felonious drunken assault on a female cop. Is that where you decided fuck it, my life is over? Or was it all the way back in middle school when you were bullied out of school forever and Mama let you stay home, do drugs and watch Young and the Restless with her? What is wrong inside your head that you keep fucking your life and the lives of everyone around you, all the way up? Is there anyone who knows you that doesn’t hate you?
You need to figure this shit out Ralph.

 

[heathercho]

Whatever Gunt does, is going to take willpower and restraint.
He has neither. If he did, he wouldn't be fat. He would have finished school. Etc.

He is impatient, egotistical, low IQ and short fused. A long stay in a coffin is his only hope of long term sobriety.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Bill was highly intelligent and self aware. Ralph....not so much.

There are people who need AA and Ralph is one of them. But he doesn't have enough impulse control to stay sober for an extended period of time. I give him until the next big wrasslin' event.

Bill W., the founder of AA, is the total opposite of guys like Ralph. Bill W was anonymous during his life. He was hailed as a savior by millions of people yet he took no credit and remained anonymous. Once AA was firmly established he gave control over to a board to run it. He could have been very rich and powerful had he stepped up and revealed himself or decided to charge fees for his cure. However only upon his death was his identity revealed to the public. He had no giant ego or desire for fame/attention, his life was anonymously dedicated to helping others who suffered as he once did.

I always thought the “anonymous” aspect of AA was very important and powerful. I’ve never been a cheerleader for AA but I think Bill really stumbled upon something powerful with the sacrifice of ego and the importance of anonymity in allowing people to honestly face their demons.

Some people don’t like the higher power and “admitting you have no control” aspects and I get that. Ralph has been blathering AA platitudes and “thinking about going to meetings” but he’s also pretending like he has total control over his addictions, in the face of 20 years of mountains of evidence to the contrary.

He keeps harping on the one time he supposedly quit taking Xanax, but that was only because he lost his steady supply source, it wasn’t by choice. Yet Ralph will point to this one instance as proof he can stop being an addict via willpower and choice.

Ralph needs to pick a path, but pretending like he’s sober just because he decided to start using less last week is the exact opposite of how AA, or any program, teaches people to get sober.

Any program would tell him to stfu and not say a goddamn word about “being sober” until he’s got 30 days of sobriety at minimum. Stfu and start letting your actions speak because people are tired of all the lies addicts tell and no one should believe what they say. Actions, not words

Ralph doesn’t want to be sober, but because Pantsu left, he needs money and he’s made an utter drunken fool of himself for months he will now submit to doing a tap dance about sobriety because of his life is so fucked due to twenty years of being an out of control addict.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

I kinda get it, I’ve been on grand juries where 90% of the cases were repeat DUIs and drug possession. Not exaggerating.

I guess its a bit tricky to articulate everything going into my holding AA at arm’s length, but like, work with me, lol.

So, generally speaking, when you take responsibility for something, you give yourself power over it. I forget the quote but there’s something about responsibility and authority being in proportion. You can’t have responsibility for something you have no authority over, and you shouldn’t have authority over something you have no responsibility for.

So, ordinarily with something like say, weight loss, you have to stop blaming outside forces and accept responsibility for your own outcomes before you’ll see improvement.

AA kind of takes that away from people. Sure, “you have to do the work,” but all success will be attributed to God, and that implies so ought failure.

I think trying to resolve this against a normal religious perspective makes it come off as Joel Osteenish.

That, and they kind of participate in commoditizing addicts. Like addicts are a type of retarded livestock that you can’t get milk or meat from, but can exchange for grant money.

 

[OrionBalls]

That, and they kind of participate in commoditizing addicts. Like addicts are a type of retarded livestock that you can’t get milk or meat from, but can exchange for grant money.

"Every AA group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions." -Short Form, 7th Tradition
"Alcoholics Anonymous is a group of men and women who share their experience, strength, and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism.
The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for AA membership; we are self-supporting through our own contributions. AA is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization, or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy, neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety."- AA Preamble