Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

[Secret Asshole]

This is so pathetic. It's just like progtards, if you silence people than their opinions go away. I fucking hope this movie bombs because their behavior with it has been disgusting.

 

[Kyria the Great]

This is so pathetic. It's just like progtards, if you silence people than their opinions go away. I fucking hope this movie bombs because their behavior with it has been disgusting.

They are already cheering that the movie has the record for the most pre-ticket sales, though that can be misleading as Solo had a high pre order tickets, but then no one else went to see it.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Well that's what happens when most of Marvel's best female characters belong to other studios so they had to make do with what little they had.

Still doesn't excuse them fucking over massively Mary Jane and the Scarlet Witch though.

I don’t think they really fucked over Mary Jane because the MCU MJ is just some girl with a different name and the same initials.

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Probably an unpopular opinion but she was a decent character so I am not too mad about that.

 

[Absolutego]

You can probably tweak Carl Manvers into a fun lead with a decent writing team.

They can't pull that off without revealing Captain Marvel is nothing more than discount Green Lantern.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I don’t think they really fucked over Mary Jane because the MCU MJ is just some girl with a different name and the same initials.

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Probably an unpopular opinion but she was a decent character so I am not too mad about that.

I agree, which just makes it baffling that that whole MJ thing is even in there. Who is that going to please? She's a fine character on her own. It accomplishes nothing to act like she's someone else that she doesn't resemble in any way. It will piss off fans of the old character and bewilder fans of the new character.

They can't pull that off without revealing Captain Marvel is nothing more than discount Green Lantern.

Execution trumps originality every time. That said if I were King of Marvel I'd do Ms. Marvel Danvers not Captain Marvel Danvers, and bring in Krysten Ritter's Jessica Jones and play up the whole failed super hero angle.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

Question:

Did Rottentomatoes stick up for the DC films when the negative reviews came in for those?

Also, why even have that functionality if you don't want negative reviews and comments? Isn't that what the function is designed to do: Show what the people think of the movie.

 

[Absolutego]

I agree, which just makes it baffling that that whole MJ thing is even in there. Who is that going to please? She's a fine character on her own. It accomplishes nothing to act like she's someone else that she doesn't resemble in any way. It will piss off fans of the old character and bewilder fans of the new character.


Execution trumps originality every time. That said if I were King of Marvel I'd do Ms. Marvel Danvers not Captain Marvel Danvers, and bring in Krysten Ritter's Jessica Jones and play up the whole failed super hero angle.

The Netflix Marvel characters will never be seen again unless Disney buys out Netflix's license to make them. Netflix canceled them to avoid any accidental hype for Disney+'s Marvel shows, and even outside of the legal wrangling, bringing Jessica Jones in would give Ike Perlmutter creative input and Feige will start making Squirrel Girl movies before he lets Perlmutter's obsession with toy sales torpedo one of his projects again.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Disney would ruin them anyway. I'm skeptical that this Perlmutter guy is so horrible creatively as well given how much better, say, Daredevil is than anything else in the MCU.

Back to the topic at hand (Ms. Captain's tits), where exactly did this stigma towards feminine beauty come from, anyway? Even the most misogynist of western civilizations like classical Athens had beautiful venerated warrior goddesses.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

Back to the topic at hand (Ms. Captain's tits), where exactly did this stigma towards feminine beauty come from, anyway? Even the most misogynist of western civilizations like classical Athens had beautiful venerated warrior goddesses.

I could give a long winded answer, but the basic explanation is that men like boobs, and they want to eliminate "male gaze" and that came from the PC wave of insanity that has risen up in the last few years. Anytime a woman shows skin or her figure or whatever, that's viewed as trying to appeal to men and GOD FORBID we do that.

Meanwhile, Twilight and Magic Mike get released and are successful enough to get sequels because women like hot guys taking their shirts off. But that's completely okay apparently.

 

[Absolutego]

Women don't like competition, which is why despite Hollywood desperately thirsting after the Chinese Market it's a rare occasion for any Chinese actress to be in Hollywood movies for crossover appeal.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Women don't like competition, which is why despite Hollywood desperately thirsting after the Chinese Market it's a rare occasion for any Chinese actress to be in Hollywood movies for crossover appeal.

I thought that was because the Chinese wanted to watch exotic Caucasians do stuff instead of Chinese people.

 

[NN 401]

Women like strong and beautiful women. Who have ALLLL the virtues.

Beautiful is not the same as "hot" or "fuckable".

Otherwise Sailor Moon would have never taken off and female Pop Idols wouldn't be majority girls and women oriented in sales.

What women find threatening are women who are overtly sexual.

Regardless of what NPD having feminists will tell you women find slutty and whorey girls threatening because they ruin the social dynamic between men and women and drive the interactions down to the lowest common denominator.

Men these days confuse overt displays of sexuality and hotness with being feminine.

The SJWs find ANYONE who is remotely physically appealing as a threat and use the "male gaze" bullshit to excoriate the public at large for their own shortcomings.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

When was MJ a great strong female character anyway? Most of my experience with her was in the 90's where her job was mostly just being Spiderman's hot super model wife who -gasp- started smoking due to stress!

It depends on what you mean by "strong." When I think of Mary Jane as a strong character, its because she has a distinct personality, her own interests and motivations, and doesn't exist solely to support the hero. Contrast MJ to a character like Nancy from The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl. Nancy exists only to prop up and act as a sounding board for Squirrel Girl. When Nancy isn't around Squirrel Girl she basically blinks out of existence until the next time Squirrel Girl needs her to tell everybody how cool she is.

I could give a long winded answer, but the basic explanation is that men like boobs, and they want to eliminate "male gaze" and that came from the PC wave of insanity that has risen up in the last few years. Anytime a woman shows skin or her figure or whatever, that's viewed as trying to appeal to men and GOD FORBID we do that.

In other words: College makes you stupid.

 

[Miang]

Part of what made Diana so interesting in Wonder Woman is that she's a master warrior who doesn't understand war. She thinks Ares is the Final Boss of an old JRPG and all she's got to do is take down her Destined Enemy and the world will be at peace, and Gadot was VERY good at convincing you that Diana's naivete was born not from ambivalence but total confidence in herself and an eagerness to set things right. It's like they sat down beforehand and came up with a story that would suit Wonder Woman while challenging Diana.

I don't know if Captain Marvel is going to have that kind of weight to its writing, but the trailers make it seem like an awful lot is going on and I don't get a clear image of what kind of story it's supposed to be. Shapeshifting green people, that bad guy from Guardians of the Galaxy, young Sam Jackson, Cthulhu disguised as a kitty, something about amnesia and how Brie used to have a Top Gun backstory oh and this is also totally important to the rest of the Marvel universe so keep track of that too okay? That's a lot of stuff to tie together and make a fun, memorable movie out of.

By the way, I roll my eyes at this "every girl deserves to know she can be a hero too" marketing. Spare me. Boys have had male superheroes to "inspire" them for years, yet male comic book fans are still derided as autistic manchildren - unremarkable, undesirable, unfuckable. Bill Maher even gets away with saying he wishes they weren't alive. Why pretend girls will have it any better?

 

[Absolutego]

I thought that was because the Chinese wanted to watch exotic Caucasians do stuff instead of Chinese people.

The dominant feedback on every flop in China is audiences saying "why are American movies filled with ugly people?", not "why did you cast this negro in a main role?"
Though that may just be how they couch that sentiment without being overtly racist, I'm not sure.

 

[Pumpkin Girl IRL]

r/marvelstudios - I’ll be honest - I thought the ‘girl power’ crap was overblown. But seeing my daughter look at this and feel like she could be a super hero, too made me well up.

40,791 votes and 1,379 comments so far on Reddit

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Don't really have any smart ass comments for this. Jesus.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I don't know if Captain Marvel is going to have that kind of weight to its writing, but the trailers make it seem like an awful lot is going on and I don't get a clear image of what kind of story it's supposed to be. Shapeshifting green people, that bad guy from Guardians of the Galaxy, young Sam Jackson, Cthulhu disguised as a kitty, something about amnesia and how Brie used to have a Top Gun backstory oh and this is also totally important to the rest of the Marvel universe so keep track of that too okay? That's a lot of stuff to tie together and make a fun, memorable movie out of.

I honestly think it'll be what @Krokodil Overdose said about it could having an identical plot to the 2011 Green Lantern movie, though the plot could be scatter around due to having two people directing the film.

Disney would ruin them anyway. I'm skeptical that this Perlmutter guy is so horrible creatively as well given how much better, say, Daredevil is than anything else in the MCU.

Perlmutter would allow Brie Larson to be casted to be honest if he still had control of Marvel Studios and not let it moved to Walt Disney Studios.

 

[Ruin]

r/marvelstudios - I’ll be honest - I thought the ‘girl power’ crap was overblown. But seeing my daughter look at this and feel like she could be a super hero, too made me well up.

40,791 votes and 1,379 comments so far on Reddit

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Don't really have any smart ass comments for this. Jesus.

"This is the first film that made me realize women can be badass too."

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[The Nothingness]

"This is the first film that made me realize women can be badass too."

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And Wonder Woman isn't a badass? Also say what you about Suicide Squad but what about Harley Quinn and Katana?

 

[That Chris Guy]

"This is the first film that made me realize women can be badass too."

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What heresy is this?!

In all seriousness though, there have been badass women for decades. If that loony watched Aliens without thinking women could be badass, yet turned around and finds this junk inspiring,, they should remove themselves from the gene pool.