Can UBI Eliminate Poverty? - Hahaha! Fuck no!

[Lemmingwise]

Daily reminder that the UBI was originally proposed by a libertarian economist to cut back on paying government workers and eliminate government bureaucracy. This is its biggest and basically only positive trait.

Yeah except the cost of the bureaucracy that could be cut is less than 0.001% of the cost of UBI.

It's just the sweetener to try and get you to drink something poisonous.

And it's not that it isn't technically possible to transfer more wealth from the megarich to the poor, it's just that the megarich have so much more power and any attempts at extracting wealth from them will end up extracting wealth from middleclass instead.

TL/DR - Venezuela, except in the US.

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Are the Chinese in perpetual apocalyptic crisis?

It always reminds me of one of my favorite tv moments. It was a program about prejudice and anti-racism. There was an asian lady saying she didn't like the prejudice of chinese people eating dogs and that she only ate dogs a couple of times, including one time their neighbor's pet (they were chinese too).

 

[Y2K Baby]

Yeah except the cost of the bureaucracy that could be cut is less than 0.001% of the cost of UBI.

It's just the sweetener to try and get you to drink something poisonous.

And it's not that it isn't technically possible to transfer more wealth from the megarich to the poor, it's just that the megarich have so much more power and any attempts at extracting wealth from them will end up extracting wealth from middleclass instead.

He just didn't like all the niggas in suits.

 

[Simply Outplayed-HD]

It wouldn't surprise me if Yang were a special interest whore for China who's intent on causing an economic crash to try and prop up China as the new dominate force in the global economy. I'm glad this seems to be the common sentiment in this thread.

His family is from Taiwan which is probably the single country that hates China the most. Although the criticisms of him being a special interests whore are not unfounded, there has been plenty of speculation as to who his plans will actually help and many believe that his plans only really benefit silicon valley.

There are fears that Andrew Yang would create a brave new world like society where people are kept just above to poverty line enough to mindlessly consume, as people are kept docile the silicon valley tech giants can safely lobby the government to gain more control over elections, taxation and essentially control everything.

 

[Lemmingwise]

He just didn't like all the niggas in suits.

Well Thomas More was a catholic venerated saint, so he probably knew best.

His family is from Taiwan which is probably the single country that hates China the most. Although the criticisms of him being a special interests whore are not unfounded, there has been plenty of speculation as to who his plans will actually help and many believe that his plans only really benefit silicon valley.

There are fears that Andrew Yang would create a brave new world like society where people are kept just above to poverty line enough to mindlessly consume, as people are kept docile the silicon valley tech giants can safely lobby the government to gain more control over elections, taxation and essentially control everything.

Someone of chinese heritage wanting to build a China like state? What a surprise.

People from Taiwan don't hate China. They just know it belongs to them (much like China knows Taiwan belongs to them).

To add some context to this, the total yearly budget for the USA federal Government, which according to Yang would be the provider of this welfare, is $4,746,000,000,000. The 'Freedom Dividend' would nearly double the USA federal budget. Eclipsing military spending by four times the amount. For those with knowledge of economics, you know that this would be absolutely devastating. Even those with barely any knowledge in economics can easily see how this can fail miserably almost instantaneously.

Of course basic income can't possibly work. Every experiment with it has failed. And rather than accept the result, the proponents want to try new identical experiments. Each time the criticism is that the experiment isn't large enough.

What you get will get in effect with UBI, is a situation like you have with youtube demonitization; maybe not immediately, maybe only after two years or three years or even four years, but eventually the propaganda will be brought forward that unsocial elements in society will either have to change behaviour or get their UBI pulled. So if you're a nazi, no UBI. Are you a centrist? That's just a pathway to nazism. No UBI. Now you're in an environment where everything has gotten more expensive, people can afford it due to UBI, but not you, because you like to think independantly and maybe shitpost.

Or perhaps you want to homeschool, instead of sending your kids to trannyschool, with mandatory anti-depressant injections at the door. No UBI. You better be rich already. motherfucker.

 

[Simply Outplayed-HD]

Of course basic income can't possibly work. Every experiment with it has failed. And rather than accept the result, the proponents want to try new identical experiments. Each time the criticism is that the experiment isn't large enough.

Have experiments failed? Every time I've read articles about it the studies just talk a statistically insignificant amount of people being given an arbitrary amount of money and those people just carrying on like they normally would albeit slightly richer. From what I've read I wouldn't necessarily conclude that the experiments failed but that they were invalid to begin with.

 

[Arctic Fox]

Well Thomas More was a catholic venerated saint, so he probably knew best.



Someone of chinese heritage wanting to build a China like state? What a surprise.

People from Taiwan don't hate China. They just know it belongs to them (much like China knows Taiwan belongs to them).



Of course basic income can't possibly work. Every experiment with it has failed. And rather than accept the result, the proponents want to try new identical experiments. Each time the criticism is that the experiment isn't large enough.

What you get will get in effect with UBI, is a situation like you have with youtube demonitization; maybe not immediately, maybe only after two years or three years or even four years, but eventually the propaganda will be brought forward that unsocial elements in society will either have to change behaviour or get their UBI pulled. So if you're a nazi, no UBI. Are you a centrist? That's just a pathway to nazism. No UBI. Now you're in an environment where everything has gotten more expensive, people can afford it due to UBI, but not you, because you like to think independantly and maybe shitpost.

Or perhaps you want to homeschool, instead of sending your kids to trannyschool, with mandatory anti-depressant injections at the door. No UBI. You better be rich already. motherfucker.

I didn't want to mention the possible Orwellian aspects such a system could produce. But yes, it is likely the scariest part of such a wide sweeping system.

 

[Simply Outplayed-HD]

I didn't want to mention the possible Orwellian aspects such a system could produce. But yes, it is likely the scariest part of such a wide sweeping system.

I'm failing to see the difference between that hypothetical and our current reality sadly:

 

[Lemmingwise]

Have experiments failed? Every time I've read articles about it the studies just talk a statistically insignificant amount of people being given an arbitrary amount of money and those people just carrying on like they normally would albeit slightly richer. From what I've read I wouldn't necessarily conclude that the experiments failed but that they were invalid to begin with.

You think they were going to admit failure? They still want UBI for ideological reasons.

The argument they're trying to prove is that poor people will go into training, or start a local entrepeneur-like kitchen, but these results remain out. They don't really work less either, they end up working the same amount as before.

If they honestly stated the failure, they wouldn't be allowed to try again, so they emphasize in what ways the experiment wasn't conclusive enough.

Finland basic income 'did not help jobless'

Although people ended up happier, the government hoped it would help the unemployed to find work.

www.bbc.com

There are have also various small experiments with it in my country. Failures. I also remember a while back a crowdfunded experiment in Germany being a similar failure of achieving nothing much of anything.

You can bet that the results of the experiment wouldn't be invalid if they succeed. Because at some point you'll have one that has a false positive and it'll be blared from the rooftops on every media channel. You'll see.

 

[Arctic Fox]

I'm failing to see the difference between that hypothetical and our current reality sadly:
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Well, most people in the US aren't dependent on people who would use that against them.
This system gets implemented, and if my predictions prove accurate, that would change very, very quickly.

 

[break these cuffs]

I hope this clears some things up

 

[Simply Outplayed-HD]

Informative

 

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=3GtM689X2IM
Informative

BORING
HIT THIS REEL SHIT MANg

 

[Vorhtbame]

I'm sure that you could cut the US military spending by 10% at the very least

I trust the rest of the world is willing to increase their military spending? Because for most of them, the only thing keeping the crazy man across their border on his side of the border is the lingering threat of Scary American Soldiers wrecking his shit.

I'm not an American but

But you'll just go ahead and assume that your vague acquaintance with movies and propaganda gives you a complete picture of American life that we Americans, for some strange reason, lack.

Stop being world hegemony and people will not care about your country and government. For instance, I have no opinions regarding how the Central African Republic taxes its citizens.

That's strange; I remember it wasn't that long ago when Uganda was suddenly the most barbaric nation on the face of the planet and if we didn't do something right now to stop their evil homophobic barbarism, the world would end.

If I was American I would definitely feel like a lot of the tax money spent on the military is money that could be better spent improving infrastructure, given to NASA, spent defending net neutrality or literally anything else where actual US citizens could experience some benefit.

If you was American, you probably would "feel" all those things, because I can't imagine there isn't some genetic component to your problems. And you'd still be wrong.

 

[break these cuffs]

I trust the rest of the world is willing to increase their military spending? Because for most of them, the only thing keeping the crazy man across their border on his side of the border is the lingering threat of Scary American Soldiers wrecking his shit.



But you'll just go ahead and assume that your vague acquaintance with movies and propaganda gives you a complete picture of American life that we Americans, for some strange reason, lack.



That's strange; I remember it wasn't that long ago when Uganda was suddenly the most barbaric nation on the face of the planet and if we didn't do something right now to stop their evil homophobic barbarism, the world would end.



If you was American, you probably would "feel" all those things, because I can't imagine there isn't some genetic component to your problems. And you'd still be wrong.

imma hook a nigga up an mainline him on somma that gangsta shit. let these niggas kno

 

[Y2K Baby]

If you was American, you probably would "feel" all those things, because I can't imagine there isn't some genetic component to your problems. And you'd still be wrong.

Ahem
*were

 

[Shaved Kiwis]

Financial equality is coming like it or not. After the nuclear holocaust we will all be too busy surviving on rat carcasses and running from Terminators to accrue any wealth.

 

[break these cuffs]

Ahem
*were

i don't fux wit niggas that think they broads

how u gone explain fucking a man?

X is a profit. this is fo my dawgs.

 

[Arm Pit Cream]

Hopefully Yang will perform better in the second debate? If it's like the first debate, he'll be gone quickly.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Hopefully Yang will perform better in the second debate? If it's like the first debate, he'll be gone quickly.

Good. Yang goes bang.

 

[Foxxo]

"Hyperinflation will end poverty."